True. In addition, with grade inflation, there are a lot of applicants with 4.0 GPA. Ivy admissions are often a crap shoot even for highly qualified applicants.
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Harvard to cancel tuition for families
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Accepting and enrolling are two separate things.
I would also like to point out that Harvard does accept students from outside the US. So, the 3.2% includes those students which drives down the percentage of students from the US being accepted (but not sure by how much).
App fee is $85, but there are financial waivers available.
Will they - more than standard cost of living/inflationary index?
Here is a breakdown over the last 10 years (about)
Academic Year COast of Attendance % increase from previous year.
| 2014-15 | $62,250 | - | - |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2015-16 | $64,400 | - | 3.45% |
| 2016-17 | $66,900 | - | 3.88% |
| 2017-18 | $69,600 | - | 4.04% |
| 2018-19 | $71,650 | - | 2.95% |
| 2019-20 | $73,800 | - | 3.00% |
| 2020-21 | $75,857 | - | 2.79% |
| 2021-22 | $78,028 | - | 2.86% |
| 2022-23 | $83,538 | - | 7.06% |
| 2023-24 | $86,705 | - | 3.79% |
This goes to show it's been relatively consistent, except for 2022/2023 (no idea why - perhaps residual Covid related releases). Do you think it's going to go up more than this for those that make $200K+ Overall, roughly 14% of households in the US make over $200K income on an annual basis.
Also, what is the percentage of kids who attend Harvard who's family income exceeds $200k (out of the 14% in the US that have that income?
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Because there are a lot of crap schools, in a lot of crap areas (like where JohnJumba resides), producing a lot of crap students, so being a valedictorian there isn't very impressive, without more (high standardized test scores, extracurriculars, leadership positions, etc.). There are far more valedictorians at high schools around the the nation in any one year than there are slots for admission to Harvard in any one year. You can figure this one out on your own (or can you?).
Gettysburg is a liberal arts school. It's 55th in "national liberal arts colleges." Low admissions standards and high acceptance rates. The world needs ditch-diggers, too. Seems rather wasteful to spend all that money to learn to be a middle school history teacher. Why not just go to one of the cheap state schools?
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And if Harvard filled their freshman class solely with valedictorians then every year 18,000 valedictorians wouldn’t be admitted.
I live about 15 minutes from a large asian community (50%+ of the HS kids) and almost all of them will apply to all of the Ivy's, Cal, Stanford, etc. Bragging rights involved for many families. One of my former baseball players, who is now an engineer for NASA, went to that HS and got wait listed at UMD because out of his graduating class of 350ish over 200 applied to UMD, most as their 'safety school'. He had a 4.38 GPA and 1500+ SAT but UMD told him that they had over 100 other applicants just from his HS that were ahead of him since he was a white male.
I'm going out on a limb and saying they didn't tell him that.
In fact, it's obvious that entire story is bunk.
It does seem that, all other things being equal, the white male does get put to the bottom of the list.
I got my doctorate 30 years ago and I remember at that time being shocked at who got a post-doc and who didn’t.
I’m in no position to take this discussion beyond what I’ve posted here. TIFWIW, TIWAGOS.
I will add that whoever Harvard, or Maryland, accepts as a student, the standards, at least in STEM, remain rigorous. Whoever washes out, washes out. You’re given a chance to exceed expectations, nothing more is promised.
Not as rigorous for some as others. If it were the same then they would not have DEI policies in the first place.
Well, not so sure since there is a rep at Ivies like Harvard that it's relatively easy to pass courses with small effort since "everyone who goes here is so smart and academically motivated". I don't know how true that is, but the rep is out there that grade inflation is substantial.
(At a large public like UMD though, yeah it's definitely sink or swim)
I have one free at Duke. She was valedictorian. I have her twin at psu shreyers at over 50k. She finished 5th In her class. I have a junior in high school on her way to psu in fall of 2026. Thanks psu for making my life hell. 
Dude, I remember when I was at PSU and I went to their pre-law office, because I was considering applying to law school ... they had a binder. Each sheet was for a different law school, and they graphed LSAT scores and GPA on x and y axes ... they indicated applicants from PSU who got in, and got rejected ... and they also had a notation (I forget if it was a circle, or a different color) of minority students. There was a noticeable pattern across all law schools of kids who got in, and who didn't ... but, obviously there was the exception here and there. But there was also a noticeable pattern of minority students being able to get in at a better rate at every school (not just the "elites" or certain schools). So if the typical successful PSU applicant to Harvard Law hovered around 172-176 LSAT with a 3.8-4.0 GPA, minority students were typically successful at 168 and a 3.6. That sort of thing. I'm simplifying, but you get the idea. Obviously, that was disconcerting, seeing as I was vying for those spots, and I came from very little means - probably less than the average minority applicant - so I took it especially personally, even though I understood the bigger picture issues at play, as well. It's not that I don't understand the issue exists to some extent.
That said, nothing about bison's story rings true. First, that they would just outright say what they allegedly said. Second, that this place he speaks of exists, since a simple google search shows the largest asian population in a school district in MD is at about 14%. Third, that one of his players attended a different high school. Fourth, that that level of disparity would exist, with that many kids applying to the same school as a "safety school." Fifth, that someone with those credentials would be waitlisted at UMD for undergrad at all. Basically, it read like a gross exaggeration, at the very best ... but an outright lie in most instances.
If we could talk issues without just going crazy and making up preposterous extremes, maybe we could get somewhere.
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I can tell you from experience that the graduation standards at Maryland didn’t change. Getting into the program is one thing, getting out is another. Nobody is admitted who can’t do the work.
Maryland has had a lot of women math PhDs over the years, more than the average. Harvard too. The standards haven’t changed. There is such a thing as creating a welcoming environment.
Maybe MD wants to keep their yield rate high and considered him a no go to attend UMd.He was too talented and would get accepted into a better position
From what I’ve heard and experienced first hand PSU is a sink or swim school . You have to make it on your own efforts . I’ve heard HR directors echo that sentiment .
One of my better friends has been highly successful. He has some distain for hiring from Tier one schools. The docs he has hired come in entitled, and don’t want to work hard as they feel they have already proved themselves. Meanwhile, Tier 2 guys are in the same league and want to bust there asses.
Another successful friend graduated with a PhysEd degree from WVU. Yeah that’s right . He got out and did the personal trainer gig . He saw no future in it . Duh! He looked around and said wtf can I do to make a good living . He settled on the trash business . Bought a truck and was a one man crew . He had a client call and say I want to cancel my trash service . You have a guy driving the truck , and that same guy jumps out to empty the trash . My buddy told the man that’s all me. The client said I’m sorry I’m all in . He sold that for a tidy sum at age 40. He then bought another trash company and other businesses . He is an ultra high net worth individual at age 50. He’s jokingly says I’ll hire the college degree kids and give them a job on the truck when they need one .
IMO you need to take these ratings with a grain of salt .
Well, no, and he’s down in Alabama loading up the spaceship that they made to get ready for flight, do you want me to call him and have you talk to him? I mean, I know you’re the board idiot but yes, he can figure out that that’s exactly why he was put at the bottom, all he had to do was ask the other kids in his class and figure out which ones got waitlisted, funny all the ones that were waitlisted looked like him.
Just like one of his classmates who got into Michigan, her grades and GPA weren’t anywhere close to the mean or even median that got in from that freshman class, but she didn’t look like him either.
When he called and asked why he got waitlisted their official response was that we can’t take all of the students from your high school that want to come here so we picked the ones that they felt were the most deserving. He ended up going to Miami of Ohio for basically nothing, got his masters within the four years that he was there and is now building rocket ships for NASA.Maybe MD wants to keep their yield rate high and considered him a no go to attend UMd.He was too talented and would get accepted into a better position
From what I’ve heard and experienced first hand PSU is a sink or swim school . You have to make it on your own efforts . I’ve heard HR directors echo that sentiment .
One of my better friends has been highly successful. He has some distain for hiring from Tier one schools. The docs he has hired come in entitled, and don’t want to work hard as they feel they have already proved themselves. Meanwhile, Tier 2 guys are in the same league and want to bust there asses.
Another successful friend graduated with a PhysEd degree from WVU. Yeah that’s right . He got out and did the personal trainer gig . He saw no future in it . Duh! He looked around and said wtf can I do to make a good living . He settled on the trash business . Bought a truck and was a one man crew . He had a client call and say I want to cancel my trash service . You have a guy driving the truck , and that same guy jumps out to empty the trash . My buddy told the man that’s all me. The client said I’m sorry I’m all in . He sold that for a tidy sum at age 40. He then bought another trash company and other businesses . He is an ultra high net worth individual at age 50. He’s jokingly says I’ll hire the college degree kids and give them a job on the truck when they need one .
IMO you need to take these ratings with a grain of salt .
Your devolution into your joeaubie persona is nearly complete.
The saddest part of your tall tale full of lies and exaggerations (which I highlighted in a post to LionJim), is that Asians are historically the most disadvantaged group when it comes to alleged discrimination re merit-based v. diversity admissions (i.e. there should be far more Asians in elite universities if admissions was blind to anything but merit).
This is almost as bad as the time you tried to argue that you were discriminated against when you ended up in a better position, that you were underqualified for, with better pay than the one you allegedly didn't get, solely based on discrimination.
At least you make for a wonderful case study in how not to argue a position.
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And if you ever try to teach me that content, I will Batman slap you with both sides on my hand!