Has anyone noticed how many juco's ole miss is recruiting?

[JacksonDevilDog]

They just got commitments from 3 defensive backs and they are looking to sign about 4 or 5 more. This reminds me of the last years of Jackie. MSU and Ole Miss need to sign jucos, but it looks like they are trying to patch gaping holes with these guys. I guess all of those recruiting classes aren't panning out?

 

[DirtyLopez]

players leaving/kicked off, players not panning out, and Nutt feeling the heat for next season. Problem is, coming from the rebels themselves, these jucos don't appear to be top level jucos. I also find it interesting that they are looking to switch to a spread style offense (supposedly to cater to Mackey's skills, but I'm not buying that 100%). I think this switch to the spread is a desperate measure to recruit against us. I don't see how they are going to have any more success withthe spreadthan they did with masoli, who came in as a heisman candidate at oregon. The bears are in a situation like florida where they don't have an identity.

 

[JacksonDevilDog]

You don't bring in jucos to redshirt. Ole miss had a bad offensive line and they still redshirted Mackey and went all in for Masoli. If he was a game changer as being sold by the rebels now, he would have played. If they are banking on a 170lb QB to lead them to a big year with Nutt in control, they are in for a rude awakening.

 

[o_Hot Rock]

The first thing I thought of was that was the beginning of the end of the Jackie era (just like the above poster). Not sure but I think it was Joe Lee Dunn that urged him to sign so many but irregardless it was a desperate move to get some talent that just didn't work.

In my humble opinion, three or four Juco's are about as many as you should ever sign even during rebuilding times. They just aren't there long enough and they must be impact players for it be meaningful. I know that State has signed several the last couple years and that concerned me but we were thin at some key positions and many of them have come in and made huge impacts. I just can't see a team signing 6 or 7 Juco guys and expect the team to still be competitive in a couple years. This is a a self limiting move. You have a limited number of players to sign and if you sign a significant number to only two years then you are severely hurting your future.

How many have they signed? I rarely look at their recruits, I am going to see how many they have signed now and answer my own question.

 

[Coach34]

crash your program if you get dependent on them and a whole class of them dont pan out. As State fans, we saw the best and the worst of it.

98 and 99 are not what they were without jucos.
2001-2003 was caused by jucos too.

You damn sure dont bring them in to redshirt. If Mackey performs as well as Masoli did, the Toddy Bears should be ecstatic
As bad as their defense is, they have to sign some to get better. It's worth a gamble, because what they have on D wont cut it in the SEC

 

[DirtyLopez]

on their switch to a spread offense? I understand it for Mackey, but he gets two years and is gone. Unless they get a spread OC worth a crap and nutt turns everything over to him, this could be a disaster. Their actions lately seem very desperate to me.

 

[Coach34]

but Stanley isnt that guy, not sure what skills Haggard has- will have to ask BMT. They have to get some QB's in, because what do they do when Mackey goes down from getting the piss knocked out of him?

I dont think it's desperate, but they see the direction they are going isn't working. I appluad Nutts actually, better than being hard-headed like Crooms and sinking instead of changing. But you cant just change, you have to get people to fit that change. That will be their next chore.

 

[Goat Holder II]

4-6 players. Usually some big time talent in there that either got overlooked or developed late. Look no further than Vick Ballard, Chris White, and Pernell McPhee. That's at least 2 bonafide NFL draft picks. Ballard's pretty good as well, I won't say he's NFL ready now. None of those got any higher offer than CUSA out of high school. Amazing.

 

[mstatefan88]

We don't need to build around JUCO's, but we only need to get them if they will start or rotate in for decent PT. Chris White, Pern, and Ballard are great examples.White and Perncame in and filled holes and have performed great, and will get drafted.Ballard still gets another year and will be great in our system next yearBerry did some nice things like return kicks and makesome plays, and Carmonso far was a goodsub in this year.

Darius Slay is one that will come in and probably start next year. Don't know about Allen, but I'm guessing with our lack of depth at DE he will probably factor in the rotation. We will probably get a JUCO OL too to compete for Sherrod's spot. And that's how it should be every year. Fill the holes with talented JUCO players, and try not to have to get more than 3 or so a year. If you have talented and deep enough classes, you shouldn't have to go get too many JUCO's to fill spots.

 

[Coach34]

but 2-3 a season makes sense...Mississippi has a great juco system and a history of HS guys not qualifying...

2-3 is a good mix and doesnt cripple you if an entire class doesnt pan out

 

[Goat Holder II]

JUCOs typically add some talent that we might not otherwise get out of high school like a Florida or Georgia. And the good ones are usually hungry to prove their worth. They know this is their one and only shot at the big time.

Bottom line, we have to do it to stay on even ground with the big boy recruiters. They get 3 five stars and 10 four stars every year. We have to get 3 four stars, 10 3 stars and JUCOs.

 

[patdog]

signing 3 DBs that had a total of 1 other BCS offer (and that was from Kansas) is a sign of just how desperate they are. Reminds me a lot of the Arizona Western trio except these are DBs and didn't play on the same team.

 

[GloryDawg]

Before they could transfer after the third semester and be at the University for the spring training. That means a lot. Then all of a sudden they changed the rule on Jackie and this came after I think the signing period. It change to, if they were not eligible coming out of high school they had to compete four semester. Something along those lines. But I do agree you have build a program with Freshman. You can sign a few to feel in some holes but one to three a year and no more.</p>

 

[Todd4State]

But then these other schools- the Alabama's, Auburn's, Florida's and etc.- started seeing MSU win with this sudden influx of talent, and then they said, "Hey, we can get that, too" and so they get the Smoot, Bean, Dorsett Davis caliber guys all of a sudden and we start getting Micheal Oyefesobi. MSU and Kansas State were tapping into a resource that was a gold mine, but then the other prospector's showed up.

We were using the JUCO system almost like a minor league. Find a talented player, player doesn't qualify, send them to JUCO for a year, let them play when they would probably be redshirting or playing very sparingly at MSU as a freshman, let them get their grades, stay in touch with the player and then scoop them up.

In hindsight what we should have done is built off of our success by gradually placing more and more focus on high school players.

But the problem is, you sign eight JUCO's or whatever and that's eight spots off of the 25 player limit. That means you can only sign 17 high school players. If three or four of those high school players don't qualify, you're down to 13 players coming in as true freshmen. That's scary.

 

[Stormrider81]

OM's biggest problem under Nutt has been and will always be this: quarterback. Houston Nutt has never developed a QB, ever. QB has always been a patchwork for him. That's exactly what we are seeing at OM. Now, mix that in with the fact that OM was already patchworking their QB situation and you have a constant flux. They haven't developed a QB since Cut was fired. Nutt isn't going to get that done. That mean they will either have to sign a guy like Matt Jones that can make it up as he goes or they will have to get a JUCO or a transfer from another school. It won't work outside of that.</p>

 

[Todd4State]

That mean they will either have to sign a guy like Matt Jones that can make it up as he goes or they will have to get a JUCO or a transfer from another school. It won't work outside of that.</p>

 

[o_Hot Rock]

It sounds like a consensus then. A few Juco's can be good but too many can hurt your future.

 

[Stormrider81]

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