He has 2 rings to Peyton's 1 in 5 or so shorter years. That's a stat that can't be ignored. I'm not saying Eli has but it's atleast brought him into the discussion when before this year that isn't the case. Suppose Peyton never plays again and Eli wins another. Is he then better than his older brother? When does he surpass him because he's not retiring anytime soon.
Has Eli surpassed his older brother?
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He has 2 rings to Peyton's 1 in 5 or so shorter years. That's a stat that can't be ignored. I'm not saying Eli has but it's atleast brought him into the discussion when before this year that isn't the case. Suppose Peyton never plays again and Eli wins another. Is he then better than his older brother? When does he surpass him because he's not retiring anytime soon.
For me the difference is Peyton means more to the Colts than Eli means to the Giants, so I have to say Peyton is still better. The Giants win because of their defense and special teams as much as they win because of Eli.
I'm not so sure that Peyton is done- if he has a brain, he will go to the 49ers and I think if he does, he will have an awful good chance at another ring, but we'll find out what happens in March.
I'm not so sure that Peyton is done- if he has a brain, he will go to the 49ers and I think if he does, he will have an awful good chance at another ring, but we'll find out what happens in March.
Peyton has done more with less, so to speak. So from an individual perspective, yes, I think Peyton is better. BUT... when you look back at it, even the years the Colts went to the Super Bowl, they were in the bottom half of the NFL in defense and rushing... two stats that the Giants are usually well in the top half in. So... in comparing the two quarterback's, Peyton FAR exceeds Eli in individual stats... but ultimately, with fans, rings count for more in the long run than a good quarterback rating or tons of touchdowns and passing yards and fewer rings. You only have to look to Archie to see where that is true.
I think Eli is more athletic. I think Eli can improvise better than Peyton. I think Peyton prepares better and obviously runs and offense on his own. Peyton reads defenses better.
So basically as a Jets fan I would have taken either one.
So basically as a Jets fan I would have taken either one.
2 > 1
Eli has also surpassed Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, Joe Theismann and Len Dawson. Multiple Super Bowl appearances for all of them. Eli has more rings.
AA - easy
Eli has also surpassed Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, Joe Theismann and Len Dawson. Multiple Super Bowl appearances for all of them. Eli has more rings.
AA - easy
The guy is just cool under pressure. He is alot like Brady actually. You have to admire him.<div>
</div><div>Peyton has the stats. Eli has the rings.</div>
</div><div>Peyton has the stats. Eli has the rings.</div>
I don't think Eli's caught up with Payton yet, but he may some day. Eli is really good and I think he's probably smarter than Payton. Eli and the Giants won the SB this year, but they only won 9 regular season games ... based on record, they shouldn't have even been in the game ... but they apparently had the determination to win when they needed to.<div>
</div><div>Look how the Colts collapsed when Payton didn't play this last year. And a couple of years ago they had an undefeated season going until they decided to sit him for fear of injury and they lost that game.</div><div>
</div><div>I think Payton's more polished due to experience, but Eli improves every game. Good thing he wasn't that good as a Bear ... they might have won the NC.</div>
</div><div>Look how the Colts collapsed when Payton didn't play this last year. And a couple of years ago they had an undefeated season going until they decided to sit him for fear of injury and they lost that game.</div><div>
</div><div>I think Payton's more polished due to experience, but Eli improves every game. Good thing he wasn't that good as a Bear ... they might have won the NC.</div>
I guess Trent Dilfer's better than Marino? Eli's as good as Elway? Or Young? Give me a 17ing break! Peyton is FAR better than Eli. Eli is an elite QB, don't get me wrong. But better than Peyton? Seriously? I guess since he's beaten Brady, he's better than him too huh? QBs can make WRs not the other way around.
especially when your current receiving corps is Manningham, Nicks and Cruz. Not to mention, he once had Plaxico catching passes from him as well. As far as talent for receivers, one could make a pretty good argument that it's possible that Eli has had more talented receivers than Peyton has. I honestly think they're relatively close. With that said, Eli has consistently had a better running game and defense than Peyton. I don't think that can be debated.
Eli is not part of that discussion right now. In fact, other than a few select stats, he's topped out at somewhere around the above average category for the better part of his career.
That said, I have to give the guy a lot of credit. You get him into the playoffs and he turns the superpowers on. This year, he had about a 2:1 TD to Int ratio and a 93 QB rating. In the postseason, he had a 9:1 ratio and a 103 rating. If he hadn't run into the buzzsaw Niners defense, it would have been more like a 115 rating in the playoffs. I still think he's one of the luckiest SOBs in football, but the man brings it come playoff time.
That said, I have to give the guy a lot of credit. You get him into the playoffs and he turns the superpowers on. This year, he had about a 2:1 TD to Int ratio and a 93 QB rating. In the postseason, he had a 9:1 ratio and a 103 rating. If he hadn't run into the buzzsaw Niners defense, it would have been more like a 115 rating in the playoffs. I still think he's one of the luckiest SOBs in football, but the man brings it come playoff time.
Hell no. Eli is a great QB, but Peyton is a notch above. The ring comparison is something the shock jocks get idiots to buy into so they listen to the radio show. Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, and Brad Johson all have rings. Are they as good as Peyton? Not even close.
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Peytin had to throw to? And they STILL made the playoffs? With Blaire White? Jacob Tamme? Donald Brown @ RB? And no run stop D to speak of. And then Caldwell shows his coaching "skills" by calling a timeout so the Jets can kick a game winning FG. Btw, that same "comparable" WR core & offense went 2-14 minus # 18. But with him they are a playoff team. Bank on it!
Over Dwight Freeny and the Colt's defense any day of the week. I'd also rather have the Bradshaw/Jacobs tandem... arguably the best tandem in the NFL this year, as opposed to Joseph Addai... who is mediocre at best. The Colt's won the 2007 Superbowl in spite of poor running and relatively poor defense throughout the playoffs, but both the 2008 and 2011 Giants are clearly more complete than either the 2006 or 2009 Colt's team. I don't think that is close to debatable. The Colt's, albeit really good with Peyton Manning, have been fairly one-dimensional... and I think have given Peyton too much control of the offense down the stretch in tight games (most of which the Colt's won, but the critical Post season games, they lost).Incognegro said:
rushing this yr if i'm not mistaken. he has no running game either. it did come thru for the giants enough last nite to help.
when eli has the yrs in that peyton does, we'll check again. IMO its hard to compare really but i'm proud of the kid for making folks start to ask the question. time will tell.
that Payton adjusted to both the college and the pro game almost immediately, while Eli took a few years to adjust to both. Plus, Eli wins the big games and Peyton loses them. Eli wasn't an elite QB until recently, but no one can say he's not one now. And the job he's done in the 2 Super Bowl postseasons has made his name for history. Not many QBs have two postseasons as good as those.
If your opinion is basedon stats and MVPs, Peyton is your guy. Mine is based on Super Bowls and how they've performed in the playoffs and big games.
Peyton has a history of not stepping up in big games. Wasn't his record 0-4 vs. Florida while at Tenn? Then the year after he graduated, Tee Martin lead Tenn. to the Nat'l Championship.
He was favored to beat the Saints in XLIV. He had a chance to bring them back late in the 4th and telegraphed a quick slant to Reggie Wayne, making Tracey Porterthe hero instead.
I think it's just as interesting to compareEli to Phillip Rivers and the Chargers organization since the year Eli was drafted. Credit has to be given to Archibald for orchestrating the top of that draft and sending Eli to New York instead ofSan Diego. Eli is now a New York legend right up there with Jeter and Mantle.
Peyton has a history of not stepping up in big games. Wasn't his record 0-4 vs. Florida while at Tenn? Then the year after he graduated, Tee Martin lead Tenn. to the Nat'l Championship.
He was favored to beat the Saints in XLIV. He had a chance to bring them back late in the 4th and telegraphed a quick slant to Reggie Wayne, making Tracey Porterthe hero instead.
I think it's just as interesting to compareEli to Phillip Rivers and the Chargers organization since the year Eli was drafted. Credit has to be given to Archibald for orchestrating the top of that draft and sending Eli to New York instead ofSan Diego. Eli is now a New York legend right up there with Jeter and Mantle.
Other than an awful D (which he can't do anything about), is the Colts decision to rest their key players in December every year. They've had the division and a 1 or 2 seed locked up by December for most of Peyton's career. So as an organization, the Colts policy is to rest their key guys and avoid injury. But the problem is that the offense they run is extensively timing based. So when you barely play in live games for 3 weeks, you lose that timing. And it really isn't something you can replicate in practice, nor does it come back after playing one half. Then you run into a team with a really good D like the Pats had during those years and you're just screwed because you're out of sync. I don't think it's any coincidence the year they won the Super Bowl that the Colts didn't have the division locked up and had to keep their foot on the gas through December.That kept the offense and the timing sharp, and they actually had enough D to get the job done that season.
his coaches make. Either resting players like slickdawg said or getting outcoached in the SuperBowl vs the S'Aints or calling a stupid timeout to let the Jets kick the game winner. Look at the wins dude. How many CONSECUTIVE 10 win seasons did they have under him? Let me answer: MORE THAN ANY OTHER TEAM EVER! Plus they broke the stigma of losing the SB and then not make the playoffs the following year. You rebel people need to take the damned blinders off, if we are talking right now in the leauge there is only 1 QB and I mean ONE better than #18 and that's Brady! Eli's not even the best QB in his conference. Brees' better & so is ARod.