Have to beat the big 3 to take a step forward

[Tskware]

Have to give Stoops props - he is now 7-2 the last three years vs. our SEC East opponents, Vandy, USC and Missouri. Lets be honest, probably not realistic to ever do any better in any given three year period than that.

So . . . to take another step forward, we have to start beating the other three, UGA, UT and Florida on a semi regular basis.

So here is the question du jour: Is it too much to ask to go 3-6 regularly in any three year cycle against those three?

We generally draw at least one good team from the West, e.g., Auburn, Alabama, LSU, and Miss State is more than likely to beat us at least 50% of the time, and frankly, UL has gotten so good that beating them more than 50% of the time is going to be difficult.

My point being is that if we go into nearly ever season with three semi automatic losses to SEC East rivals, well, you can do the math, but 6-6 or 7-5 is about the max level this program can ever achieve.

We had a great opportunity Saturday night against a beatable Georgia, and have another one this Saturday against a beatable Tennessee team. Really need to cash one of these in.

 

[megablue]

Have to give Stoops props - he is now 7-2 the last three years vs. our SEC East opponents, Vandy, USC and Missouri. Lets be honest, probably not realistic to ever do any better in any given three year period than that.

So . . . to take another step forward, we have to start beating the other three, UGA, UT and Florida on a semi regular basis.

So here is the question du jour: Is it too much to ask to go 3-6 regularly in any three year cycle against those three?

We generally draw at least one good team from the West, e.g., Auburn, Alabama, LSU, and Miss State is more than likely to beat us at least 50% of the time, and frankly, UL has gotten so good that beating them more than 50% of the time is going to be difficult.

My point being is that if we go into nearly ever season with three semi automatic losses to SEC East rivals, well, you can do the math, but 6-6 or 7-5 is about the max level this program can ever achieve.

We had a great opportunity Saturday night against a beatable Georgia, and have another one this Saturday against a beatable Tennessee team. Really need to cash one of these in.

GOOD ANALYSIS. The way I see it, we need to go 4-4 in SEC and sweep our non-conference foes, including Louisville, to go 8-4 (or go 5-3 in conference, if we lose to Louisville).....which is a good record for our program. It would be nice for 7-5 to be the expected bottom and not 5-7, going forward.

It goes without saying that we must continue to improve, because South Carolina and Missouri probably will, if not Vandy.

 

[bthaunert]

It's pretty sad to know that we have gone 4 - 67 against UT, UGA and Florida since the SEC was divided into 2 divisions.

 

[megablue]

It's pretty sad to know that we have gone 4 - 67 against UT, UGA and Florida since the SEC was divided into 2 divisions.

That's mind-boggling !! WOW !!

 

[K_TIME]

Can't agree more. You cna't lose every game to UT and UF...we need to at least get to a level where we win those game 2 out of every 10 games. It's plain silly what has gone on and UT hasn't really been that dominate since the last 90's.

 

[STUCKNBIG10]

Good post, OP. The only minor adjustments I would make are:

-I think we can increase our success rate against MSU. They're the most disadvantaged (ie. worst town and poorest athletic dept) in the SEC. The all time series is tied, but I think we can start winning more than half the time against them.

-Have to do better against the big 3, especially when they're down. No Doubt about it.

-UL is tough to call. Lamar Jackson is a once in a life timer, so they probably seem a little better than they ought to be. Also, we're dealing with a new normal if Petrino does indeed stay there for the long haul. He usually jumps ship but not sure if he will if he gets at least one more year of Lamar. I still think when all is normalized, this rivalry should be no worse than 50-50, but they've certainly had the better of it lately.

-I think UK can consistently beat VU and Mizzou. South Carolina is tougher b/c they're committed to winning, but still think it can be a 50-50 series (or better).

 

[dyersburgcatfan]

First, right now I think we are ahead of Missou, Vandy , MSU, and South Carolina. We cannot afford to let any of these 4 get ahead of us in recruiting or coaching. We must hold our ground and not slip behind these mediocre programs.
Second, we are about even with Georgia. They have the new coaching staff and it should take them another year to get back to where they were. Saturday showed that we are essentially even with them.
That leaves UT and Fla, I really have no explanation why we have so much trouble with UT. It must be a lot mental. Stoops needs to get this team mentally believing we can compete with them. So finally Florida. They will be the most difficult program in the east four us to catch. Next year they come to our place. It will be our best chance to beat them talent wise in a good while. We'll be an experienced team. If we could just beat them once, we would get that monkey off our back.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

First, right now I think we are ahead of Missou, Vandy , MSU, and South Carolina. We cannot afford to let any of these 4 get ahead of us in recruiting or coaching. We must hold our ground and not slip behind these mediocre programs.
Second, we are about even with Georgia. They have the new coaching staff and it should take them another year to get back to where they were. Saturday showed that we are essentially even with them.
That leaves UT and Fla, I really have no explanation why we have so much trouble with UT. It must be a lot mental. Stoops needs to get this team mentally believing we can compete with them. So finally Florida. They will be the most difficult program in the east four us to catch. Next year they come to our place. It will be our best chance to beat them talent wise in a good while. We'll be an experienced team. If we could just beat them once, we would get that monkey off our back.

I think you are right, SEC East is weak right now, its hard to argue it isn't, our lone win over the West is UK's over the last place team in the West and it was a game winning FG as time ran out. I guess coaching is part of the reason, only 1 coach in the East with more than 5 years experience as a head coach and he might be the worst of the group. Another is the West has been processing players who can't contribute out out the program the last 10 years, that is just starting in the East and probably not by everyone. Finally, the west is cheating, AU bought their national championship, OM had players admit on national TV coaches were giving them money. I don't know about the others but there is no other reason a black kid would want to attend a school who was just recently forced to abandon their confederate col mascot, nooses are continually placed around statues of the first black students to attend the school unless extra is coming their way.

I posted before the season started the window was open for UK to make a move, 3 new coaches in the East, talent level overall is down in the division and a possibilty of 8 wins was realistic, Its still there, 7 is well within reach and 6 is almost a guarantee.

Now for next year, UT will be rebuilding, a new qb who has played very little, WR who were 4 and 5* guys who have done very little but are big and fast. UF will lose a good portion of that D and its hard to believe as average as they have been they own both of usl I expect USC to be much improved, both of us missed their new qb who they pulled the RS off of 6 games into the season, plus they have a couple of good WR, Vandy has improved quite a bit as the season progressed and will be a little better next year. Now to us, we will return 10 starters on defense and 6 on offense, assuming Chubb and Michel both leave. We should be much better defensively next fall, IF Eason ever adjust to the speed of the college game he will be very good, his arm and release are exceptional, our RB will be hard to replace but we have 2 good ones committed, our WR can't get much worse but defensively we will/should be very good, maybe the best in the division. We have 4 guys who arrived on campus in June in the rotation and 1 starting. UK and UGA could be fighting for the division next fall. maybe should be.

 

[SanAntonioCat_rivals376502]

It's pretty sad to know that we have gone 4 - 67 against UT, UGA and Florida since the SEC was divided into 2 divisions.

Well, we were a one dimensional program. No facilities, no tradition, no high level recruiting and no chance to win. That has changed dramatically in every area. However, it isn't an instant gratification process. We will get to where everyone wants to see and this season is a clear indicator of things to come.

Our accomplishments this season has been centered on a serviceable QB doing his best and an offense emphasizing the run while our passing attack has been blunted by Drew Barker's injury.

At the end of the day, this team has performed well this season. The best is yet to come.

 

[mrhotdice]

Have to give Stoops props - he is now 7-2 the last three years vs. our SEC East opponents, Vandy, USC and Missouri. Lets be honest, probably not realistic to ever do any better in any given three year period than that.

So . . . to take another step forward, we have to start beating the other three, UGA, UT and Florida on a semi regular basis.

So here is the question du jour: Is it too much to ask to go 3-6 regularly in any three year cycle against those three?

We generally draw at least one good team from the West, e.g., Auburn, Alabama, LSU, and Miss State is more than likely to beat us at least 50% of the time, and frankly, UL has gotten so good that beating them more than 50% of the time is going to be difficult.

My point being is that if we go into nearly ever season with three semi automatic losses to SEC East rivals, well, you can do the math, but 6-6 or 7-5 is about the max level this program can ever achieve.

We had a great opportunity Saturday night against a beatable Georgia, and have another one this Saturday against a beatable Tennessee team. Really need to cash one of these in.

When UK beats those teams is when UK recruits as good or better than those teams.

SEC so called Big Three always have Top 20 recruiting classes and it's all about the players. UK is close but needs to be closer.

 

[Oldtrainer_rivals]

Well, we were a one dimensional program. No facilities, no tradition, no high level recruiting and no chance to win. That has changed dramatically in every area. However, it isn't an instant gratification process. We will get to where everyone wants to see and this season is a clear indicator of things to come.

Our accomplishments this season has been centered on a serviceable QB doing his best and an offense emphasizing the run while our passing attack has been blunted by Drew Barker's injury.

At the end of the day, this team has performed well this season. The best is yet to come.

^^^Agree, good post.The best is yet to come."

 

[Tskware]

When UK beats those teams is when UK recruits as good or better than those teams.

SEC so called Big Three always have Top 20 recruiting classes and it's all about the players. UK is close but needs to be closer.

Sorry, but we will never out recruit Georgia and Florida, will never happen in our lifetimes. So . . . we have to out coach, out develop and maybe out scheme them to win. Other programs do it, Wisconsin, Miss State, TCU, et al. It can be done, just has never been done at UK.

 

[Robcatt24]

 

[truebluewildcat_rivals34254]

We need to beat 1 of the big 3. Almost did that this past Saturday.

Will have another crack at taking that step this coming Saturday.

A win in Knoxville would be huge for this program and coaching staff.

 

[JDHoss]

Sorry, but we will never out recruit Georgia and Florida, will never happen in our lifetimes. So . . . we have to out coach, out develop and maybe out scheme them to win. Other programs do it, Wisconsin, Miss State, TCU, et al. It can be done, just has never been done at UK.

Out recruit? Not on paper, but you can be really good at talent evaluation and do just as well. Benny Snell is a quality SEC back. He was a 5.5 3 star with UK, BC and Iowa as his only P5 offers. We haven't "developed" Benny yet. He is just that good, and my guess wasn't properly evaluated by the "gurus".

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Out recruit? Not on paper, but you can be really good at talent evaluation and do just as well. Benny Snell is a quality SEC back. He was a 5.5 3 star with UK, BC and Iowa as his only P5 offers. We haven't "developed" Benny yet. He is just that good, and my guess wasn't properly evaluated by the "gurus".

These kids get their ranking or stars from attending camps sponsored by recruiting sites. Kids who can't/don't attend them dont get the stars. Todd Gurley was a 5.6 3* the entire recruiting cycle until the NC/SC Shrine Bowl, he dominated that game after dominating the NC state championship game and was given a huge bump from a 3* to a top 50. Gurley spent the summer running track with the US jr National team between his Jr and Sr seasons so he was penalized. Snell is a good back and my guess is he didn't attend the right camps and he too wasn't properly evaluated by the sites.

 

[JDHoss]

These kids get their ranking or stars from attending camps sponsored by recruiting sites. Kids who can't/don't attend them dont get the stars. Todd Gurley was a 5.6 3* the entire recruiting cycle until the NC/SC Shrine Bowl, he dominated that game after dominating the NC state championship game and was given a huge bump from a 3* to a top 50. Gurley spent the summer running track with the US jr National team between his Jr and Sr seasons so he was penalized. Snell is a good back and my guess is he didn't attend the right camps and he too wasn't properly evaluated by the sites.

Yep....and I saw Randall Cobb play multiple times in high school and couldn't understand why he didn't have way more offers than he did. There are a lot of really good players out there and it's impossible for recruiting services to properly evaluate and project all of them.

 

[STUCKNBIG10]

First, right now I think we are ahead of Missou, Vandy , MSU, and South Carolina. We cannot afford to let any of these 4 get ahead of us in recruiting or coaching. We must hold our ground and not slip behind these mediocre programs.
Second, we are about even with Georgia. They have the new coaching staff and it should take them another year to get back to where they were. Saturday showed that we are essentially even with them.
That leaves UT and Fla, I really have no explanation why we have so much trouble with UT. It must be a lot mental. Stoops needs to get this team mentally believing we can compete with them. So finally Florida. They will be the most difficult program in the east four us to catch. Next year they come to our place. It will be our best chance to beat them talent wise in a good while. We'll be an experienced team. If we could just beat them once, we would get that monkey off our back.

We're not even with Georgia. They have beaten us something like 22 out of the last 25. They're recruiting at a much higher level than we are. Kirby smart is still unproven as a head coach, but i don't see any way that someone could say we're "about even" as programs when we lost a very winnable home game last week and hardly ever beat them on the field.

 

[SanAntonioCat_rivals376502]

We're not even with Georgia. They have beaten us something like 22 out of the last 25. They're recruiting at a much higher level than we are. Kirby smart is still unproven as a head coach, but i don't see any way that someone could say we're "about even" as programs when we lost a very winnable home game last week and hardly ever beat them on the field.

We are beaten down and left for dead in the SEC due to the inability of our university to hire successful coaches, dedicate funding/donations to first class football infrastructure and be a part of SEC football success.

Today, we have the finest recruiting room in college football and a training facility second to none anywhere on the college landscape. None of that insures instant gratification in winning games and upending the SEC elite.

However, we are knocking on the door and soon will be in a position to knock the damn door down. The Kentucky Wildcats are on the rise. We are coming to play. We won't back down. The best is yet to come.

 

[Fadhi]

I dont know what the current concensus is on this upcoming recruiting class..but it looks to be strong. A lot of good work was done in Florida and Ohio. Richardson is such a good get.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

We are beaten down and left for dead in the SEC due to the inability of our university to hire successful coaches, dedicate funding/donations to first class football infrastructure and be a part of SEC football success.

Today, we have the finest recruiting room in college football and a training facility second to none anywhere on the college landscape. Facilities. None of that insures instant gratification in winning games and upending the SEC elite.

However, we are knocking on the door and soon will be in a position to knock the damn door down. The Kentucky Wildcats are on the rise. We are coming to play. We won't back down. The best is yet to come.

UK certainly has done a nice job of upgrading the facilities the last couple of years and they are first rate, they are among the top 3-4 in the SEC, but they aren't the nicest in the country. Bama and A&M spends crazy money on their facilities, Texas has oil money keeping them at the top and Oregon has Nike money trying to keep them on top. UK is certainly top 10 but not top 5 because of basically unlimited funds of other programs. Probably top 3 in SEC.you need to see what Clemson is building.

 

[red rage 2016]

Yep....and I saw Randall Cobb play multiple times in high school and couldn't understand why he didn't have way more offers than he did. There are a lot of really good players out there and it's impossible for recruiting services to properly evaluate and project all of them.

That is why I never understood fans getting all wrapped up in recruiting stars. As you said it is impossible for these services to see every kids. We have all seen kids rated 4-5 stars get to college and be a total bust.

 

[sluggercatfan]

UK certainly has done a nice job of upgrading the facilities the last couple of years and they are first rate, they are among the top 3-4 in the SEC, but they aren't the nicest in the country. Bama and A&M spends crazy money on their facilities, Texas has oil money keeping them at the top and Oregon has Nike money trying to keep them on top. UK is certainly top 10 but not top 5 because of basically unlimited funds of other programs. Probably top 3 in SEC.you need to see what Clemson is building.

I don't remember the name, but one of the color guys who called a UK game and played at Texas said the UK facility was the best in the country.

 

[sluggercatfan]

I think you are right, SEC East is weak right now, its hard to argue it isn't, our lone win over the West is UK's over the last place team in the West and it was a game winning FG as time ran out. I guess coaching is part of the reason, only 1 coach in the East with more than 5 years experience as a head coach and he might be the worst of the group. Another is the West has been processing players who can't contribute out out the program the last 10 years, that is just starting in the East and probably not by everyone. Finally, the west is cheating, AU bought their national championship, OM had players admit on national TV coaches were giving them money. I don't know about the others but there is no other reason a black kid would want to attend a school who was just recently forced to abandon their confederate col mascot, nooses are continually placed around statues of the first black students to attend the school unless extra is coming their way.

I posted before the season started the window was open for UK to make a move, 3 new coaches in the East, talent level overall is down in the division and a possibilty of 8 wins was realistic, Its still there, 7 is well within reach and 6 is almost a guarantee.

Now for next year, UT will be rebuilding, a new qb who has played very little, WR who were 4 and 5* guys who have done very little but are big and fast. UF will lose a good portion of that D and its hard to believe as average as they have been they own both of usl I expect USC to be much improved, both of us missed their new qb who they pulled the RS off of 6 games into the season, plus they have a couple of good WR, Vandy has improved quite a bit as the season progressed and will be a little better next year. Now to us, we will return 10 starters on defense and 6 on offense, assuming Chubb and Michel both leave. We should be much better defensively next fall, IF Eason ever adjust to the speed of the college game he will be very good, his arm and release are exceptional, our RB will be hard to replace but we have 2 good ones committed, our WR can't get much worse but defensively we will/should be very good, maybe the best in the division. We have 4 guys who arrived on campus in June in the rotation and 1 starting. UK and UGA could be fighting for the division next fall. maybe should be.

Miss. St is also the same team that just dispatched a top ten ranked tam handily!

 

[frost1]

When we get a QB who can perform on an SEC Level, We will be able to compete much better against the Georgia,s & Tennessee. Feel like current QB,s on campus, plus the ones coming in, hopefully 1 will become the SEC QB we surely need.

 

[buckkiller]

Screw that we start competing for EAST titles or find somone that can. That being said If he can continue to build from here I think he might actually be able to pull it off. He had us almost there this year. Still a glimmer of hope if we can win and UF drops there last 2. If we could win the east i wouldnt even care if Bama beat us by 40 points in SEC title game. If we make SEC title game imagine recruiting for Stoops.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Miss. St is also the same team that just dispatched a top ten ranked tam handily!

That's true enough, never quite understood why A&M was ranked that high and couldn't believe they ended up number 4 for the playoffs. They beat Arkansas by a couple TDs but struggled against every team they played. But regardless MSST isn't a top 4 team in the division and could be playing OM for the 6th spot in the egg bowl. They would contend for the East championship because they fit right in with the rest of us, could beat any other division team 1 week and lose to any of them the next.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I don't remember the name, but one of the color guys who called a UK game and played at Texas said the UK facility was the best in the country.

What else is he going to say broadcasting a UK game? They are very nice and up to date, and top 10 which is quite an acomplishment for UK's athletic department, nicer than ours for sure. UGA's former president, mike adams took about 20 mil annually from the football program as a "donation" to the academics. Our facilities got way behind, still are, but its changing, getting an indoor facility which will be done in a couple months, doing some renovations to the recruit lounge which hasn't see a change in 20 years.

 

[Chuckinden]

[QUOTE="JDHoss, post: 5322473, member: 1448"]Yep....and I saw Randall Cobb play multiple times in high school and couldn't understand why he didn't have way more offers than he did. There are a lot of really good players out there and it's impossible for recruiting services to properly evaluate and project all of them.[/QUOTE]


Probably because Cobb was a lock for UT and then Fulmer pulled the offer late.

 

[KentuckyStout]

It's pretty sad to know that we have gone 4 - 67 against UT, UGA and Florida since the SEC was divided into 2 divisions.

It is the cumulative result of decades of neglect for our football program, at a time when those three universities made all-out commitments to football - producing Heisman trophy winners and national champions. That is how something like 4-67 happens.

 

[Pike 96]

What else is he going to say broadcasting a UK game? They are very nice and up to date, and top 10 which is quite an acomplishment for UK's athletic department, nicer than ours for sure. UGA's former president, mike adams took about 20 mil annually from the football program as a "donation" to the academics. Our facilities got way behind, still are, but its changing, getting an indoor facility which will be done in a couple months, doing some renovations to the recruit lounge which hasn't see a change in 20 years.

One thing I'd disagree with on your original post...I think Vandy is slightly worse, not better, next year. Their offense will remain about the same. Their D will have a lot of guys back but lose probably their 3 best players in Cunningham(who will leave early and is a complete difference maker), Butler (who is best Dlineman) and their best corner.
Mason is,still living of the upper classmen from the Franklin recruiting era and has recruited pretty much like garbage behind them.
Vandy needs to be a pretty much sure win because the others,won't be

 

[Pike 96]

[QUOTE="JDHoss, post: 5322473, member: 1448"]Yep....and I saw Randall Cobb play multiple times in high school and couldn't understand why he didn't have way more offers than he did. There are a lot of really good players out there and it's impossible for recruiting services to properly evaluate and project all of them.

Probably because Cobb was a lock for UT and then Fulmer pulled the offer late.[/QUOTE]

Totally false, don't know where you get this crap....UT wanted Cobb bad at the end. They didn't offer him throught his entire high school career although he played right down the road and won multiple state championships.
He played in a Tennessee All Star game after the season wherein thE All star coach, who knew Fulmer well, called him and told him he needed to offer Cobb becasue he was killing everyone on that team. That's where UT offered and pursued him hard. I saw an interview on this with Cobb. He talked about seriously considering it but how he felt loyalty to UK at that point. He also talked about when he called Fulmer after he decided and Fulmer thought he was calling to commit and he shocked him by telling him he was sticking with UK.

 

[Chuckinden]

Probably because Cobb was a lock for UT and then Fulmer pulled the offer late.

Totally false, don't know where you get this crap....UT wanted Cobb bad at the end. They didn't offer him throught his entire high school career although he played right down the road and won multiple state championships.
He played in a Tennessee All Star game after the season wherein thE All star coach, who knew Fulmer well, called him and told him he needed to offer Cobb becasue he was killing everyone on that team. That's where UT offered and pursued him hard. I saw an interview on this with Cobb. He talked about seriously considering it but how he felt loyalty to UK at that point. He also talked about when he called Fulmer after he decided and Fulmer thought he was calling to commit and he shocked him by telling him he was sticking with UK.[/QUOTE]

You may be right. I may have it backwards.

 

[fuzz77]

I don't remember the name, but one of the color guys who called a UK game and played at Texas said the UK facility was the best in the country.

Meh...listen to any broadcast where something new has been built and they will say something similar.
In general they are going to parrot the sales pitch given to them when they tour the facilities.
Reality is that there are many very, very nice facilities and UK happens to have one of them. It's like going into a subdivision of million $+ homes. They're all nice.
BTW: what makes one better than the next?

I have a college buddy who lives in Nashville and his kid played at Ensworth HS. One of the assistant coaches played at Alabama and also with the Titians. That coach said that the facilities at Ensworth were better than those at Bama. Not as big but better.

 

[BlueRaider22]

I think yes, we can beat them but don't expect a lot of consistency. I think UK can be like an Arkansas-type. We could bounce around from 6-10 wins depending on how the personnel shakes out. We likely will never be able to recruit well enough to win with a ton of consistency.....i.e. winning 9+ games every single yr. With lower recruiting power our wins will come in waves. And we must be mindful of this.....because on the periods when we dip down to 6-7 wins there will be fans who will clamor to fire someone. And it would have more to do with the personnel than the coach.

Now, is Stoops such a coach that can achieve what I said above? I "hope" so.....we will have to see.

 

[Deeeefense]

We can all see how grossly incorrect most preseason predictions are for the season, so why would anyone think you could go beyond that and start predicting what might happen every year?

Things change rapidly in football. A decade ago the East was the power division and the West was mediocre at best, now the roles are reversed. Tennessee was the unanimous choice to with the East this year, today they sit at 2-3. Missouri was thought to be a bottom dweller their first few years in the SEC - but what do they do? they win the East two years in a row. 2012 Auburn is awful posting a 3-9 season with only one SEC win. Experts saying Auby will be down for the next 3 or 4 years while they rebuild -NOT. Next year the Tigers go 12-1 winning the SEC Championship. 2007 was not exactly ancient history, but who remembers that the Crimson Tide had a losing season that year?

For the first time in modern history, Kentucky has got everything it needs now to compete with the other SEC teams, facilities, coaches, recruits, fans, supporting administration. There is no reason we can't turn in a 9-10 win season and win the East as soon as next year, but we could just as easily fall back to 5 or 6 wins - but it's absolute nonsense to try to put a cap on it one way or the other.

Football is essentially an unpredictable endeavor, and while human nature is to seek order from chaos, the truth is nobody knows what is going to happen year to year - but that's part of what makes it fun!

 

[LeonThe Camel]

It's pretty sad to know that we have gone 4 - 67 against UT, UGA and Florida since the SEC was divided into 2 divisions.

That is a major problem from a record perspective and from a fan perspective. Most fans know we are not on the same level as UT, UGA, and UF, but still believe we are competitive.
If this continues, the fan's perspective, then we will never be better.

 

[JDHoss]

[QUOTE="JDHoss, post: 5322473, member: 1448"]Yep....and I saw Randall Cobb play multiple times in high school and couldn't understand why he didn't have way more offers than he did. There are a lot of really good players out there and it's impossible for recruiting services to properly evaluate and project all of them.

Probably because Cobb was a lock for UT and then Fulmer pulled the offer late.

Nope....The Great Pumpkin didn't offer Cobb until late when at least a couple of guys who were higher on their board went elsewhere. When The Great Pumpkin offered late, Cobb said no thanks.