HD6 - "Losing this game is unacceptable"**
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Ridiculous Effort. No perimeter D (who didn't see that coming), no hustle, no offensive plays, can't break the zone.... His offense gets even more terrible each year with more experience. How does that happen?
...so far, but it really is the same old crap, different year. Last year the excuse was that Stans needed time for the team to gel. This year, there are no excuses.
This team will get hot later in the year, wind up around or slightly over .500 in the conference (thanks to how ****** the conference is), and we will approach 17 or so wins and find ourselves on the bubble aGAIN. And when those of us point back to the Rider and Richmond losses that did us in, we'll be ridiculed, much like in past years when we pointed back to the Northwestern State or George Mason losses and got ridiculed for it.
This crap happens every year. I'm honestly shocked at all the outrage. Nobody should be surprised.
This team will get hot later in the year, wind up around or slightly over .500 in the conference (thanks to how ****** the conference is), and we will approach 17 or so wins and find ourselves on the bubble aGAIN. And when those of us point back to the Rider and Richmond losses that did us in, we'll be ridiculed, much like in past years when we pointed back to the Northwestern State or George Mason losses and got ridiculed for it.
This crap happens every year. I'm honestly shocked at all the outrage. Nobody should be surprised.
There are legitimate arguments to use in criticism of Stansbury, but this is not one of them: "Making the tourney every 2 or 3 years is not enough." By my calculations we are making it every 2 out of 3 years.
and I'll go out on a limb (or maybe not) and say we almost certainly will be in the same boat again this year and will likely need to win the tourney to make the NCAAs. When you continue to stumble through the non-conference schedule and look this bad early its hard to claim at an-large bid in the so-so SEC with even a 10-6 sort of record. Its already obvious the SEC will not be much improved if any from last year. Maybe we catch fire and maybe we get Sidney eligible and he's a catalyst I don't know. But at this point I'm just numb to basketball in Nov-Dec. because its the same song different verse every year. Point is we all know regardless of whether we have Sidney, Reik or Bailey, there is more than enough talent on the team right now to beat the caliber teams we have started the year off losing to.
Varnado is the star, but he's not a "rally the troops" kind of guy. I've been to two home games, and when we're on the floor, our players just look apathetic. This was a heartbreaking loss tonight, and I hate to say it, but if we don't turn this season around in a big way, Stansbury is going to have to answer the tough questions for the Ninja come Spring.
And never have gotten past the 2nd round. I want a coach that will take us to title contentions not just the tournament. How we have lost these two games I will never know. Yeah, we may get to the tourney. But it's these kind of losses that cause us to be 13 seeds like last year and get matched up with an over powered team (Washington) and prevents us from getting on a roll in the tournament and making a push into the sweet 16. 65 teams get in the tournament, but we should be one of the last 16 standing with this team and it is not going that way because we are simply getting outcoached. We have more talent than Rider and Richmond. If we keep playing like this we will get murdered by Tennessee, Vandy, Florida, Kentucky, and maybe even some West teams. And we do not have the drive right now to make another tournament run for the life of us.
they had never even practiced for a college game. This was pathetic after all the media thought we were going to be pretty good this year.
season....the SEC sucked last year and after the regular season, we were not even sniffing the bubble... even an avg SEC season, top to bottom, we are not that great in hoops compared to others when you look at it top to bottom...
so we get hot, win 4 in a row at the SEC tourney, forget about what we did all year long during the regular season, and whip out that typical early exit excuse in the big dance and think just because these same guys are back, we're supposed to have resolved all those obvious warning signs?
winning 4 in a row in a crappy conf tourney should not have wool blinded us from how the overall season shaped out...
I was guilty and have learned a hard lesson... bitter pill to swallow but that's the way it goes
so we get hot, win 4 in a row at the SEC tourney, forget about what we did all year long during the regular season, and whip out that typical early exit excuse in the big dance and think just because these same guys are back, we're supposed to have resolved all those obvious warning signs?
winning 4 in a row in a crappy conf tourney should not have wool blinded us from how the overall season shaped out...
I was guilty and have learned a hard lesson... bitter pill to swallow but that's the way it goes
Look at Ben Hansbrough's stats for Notre Dame today. They lost & Ben's stats were zilts... Ben's dad thought he would get coached -up at ND cause Rick sure wasn't coaching him up like big brother at NC.
wbc40 said:
I'm not going to get caught up in the Stansbury debate because it really is too early in the season to jump off the bridge. My point is to your thought that the players look apathetic - that they don't care if they win or lose. Welcome to the world of AAU basketball. More and more these kids playing the college game are a product of an AAU system that centers on showcasing one's skills - not on wins and losses. When these kids are growing up - traveling the country playing weekend tournaments, they might be playing 4-5 games in a day. They play so much, winning and losing doesn't matter any more. They're coach is usually someone who is nothing more than a glorified chaperon. The goal is to turn a few heads and get the interest of a college coach at the highest level possible. Their approach to the game doesn't change once they set foot on campus. The season starts and the first couple of months have that AAU feel - especially these Holiday tournaments where you have a couple of hundred people in the stands of a small gym. It really isn't until the conference season starts - when the crowds get louder and the rivalries more intense - that the these kids start dialing up the intensity level. I don't bring this up to defend Stansbury, but when you bring in the type of talent it takes to win at this level, you're bringing in products of a system that really isn't geared toward winning and losing.
The only reason you use the first 3 seasons is that you are biased against him and it makes your argument look better. Everyone with sense that looks at things objectively would say 6 out of the last 8 seasons we've been to the Tourney.
I'm not. We are playing like junk and Stansbury isn't exactly doing a great job right now. I'm saying that we can't and shouldn't fire Stans right now. I'm saying that people on this board are both overreacting and acting like a bunch of idiot Ole Miss fans. "But, but, but, we thought we were going to the next level. We want more wins in the NCAAs. Let's fire this coach and hire a better one." Ole Miss did nearly the same thing a few years ago and ended up with 3 years in the football latrine and it's pure luck a good coach landed in their laps at the end of all of that because Arkansas fans are even dumber than they are.
I want all of you to read this carefully: there is no next level for MSU basketball. That's not to say we can't win in the Tourney, but we are not ever going to elevate beyond the level where we make the tourney 6 out of 8 seasons. I'm not saying Stansbury should never be fired. If he keeps tanking like this then yes, at some point he should be fired. Not this season, but at some point he should go if he doesn't get things turned back around. I, opposite of many of you, loathe the thought of that day because the odds are against us hiring a better coach than him. When I look at a list of the coaches in this conference I come to realize that programs like Auburn, Georgia, Bama, etc have had problems hiring coaches better than Stansbury. Doesn't look so easy to me. Yep, we might upgrade, but the odds say we will massively downgrade and return to true MSU basketball form.
I want all of you to read this carefully: there is no next level for MSU basketball. That's not to say we can't win in the Tourney, but we are not ever going to elevate beyond the level where we make the tourney 6 out of 8 seasons. I'm not saying Stansbury should never be fired. If he keeps tanking like this then yes, at some point he should be fired. Not this season, but at some point he should go if he doesn't get things turned back around. I, opposite of many of you, loathe the thought of that day because the odds are against us hiring a better coach than him. When I look at a list of the coaches in this conference I come to realize that programs like Auburn, Georgia, Bama, etc have had problems hiring coaches better than Stansbury. Doesn't look so easy to me. Yep, we might upgrade, but the odds say we will massively downgrade and return to true MSU basketball form.