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DudyDog

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Jun 18, 2008
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On the show this morning ya'll talked about Dak and his stats suffering or not this season...Here is a point that I wish ya'll would have talked about.

Not that it ended up making a difference, but if you remember we heard the rumors going into the NFL draft about McKinney and not having productive numbers, etc. Of course they weren't taking into account the 1A and 1B's.

I know Dan is a team first coach, but how does he balance Dak getting the numbers he needs to make a legit run at the Heisman vs. getting the work needed to the back ups where they get enough experience to feel comfortable going into next season?

I know numbers alone don't win a Heisman, but they do go a long way with some voters. At the end of November and ESPN displays the top four guys and puts their numbers side by side, it's human nature to compare those and rank them one through four. And we all know a lot of these numbers are garnered against the lesser competition on the schedule, in our case USM, Northwestern St, Troy and La. Tech.

On one hand you want Dak to get all the numbers he can to 1) make a run at the Heisman and 2) show future QB recruits that you will get a chance to get the numbers needed to make a run. I can see our competition using this against us in recruiting if we don't give Dak the chance to run up some numbers against lesser competition.

A friend and I were talking yesterday about Robinson wanting to get the three yards against Kentucky last year and Dan not letting him get another carry. We agreed if that had been Georgia, they would have run their back as many times as needed to get those last three to get him over 200.

Enjoy the show.
 

engie

Sophomore
May 29, 2011
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Dan is going to handle it the same way he always has here IMO. If he didn't try to pad Dak's stats last year, he won't this year. We'll see(whoever ends up at #2) early and often IMO. Dak's stats last year were sufficient to win the trophy. But he would have had to win(and not throw 3 red zone INTs) in Tuscaloosa.
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
61,339
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I agree. Dak didn't fall out of the Heisman race because he didn't run up the stats against Southern Miss and South Alabama. And Mullen isn't going to leave him in the game to take more hits than necessary against those type teams this fall.
 

ShrubDog

Redshirt
Apr 13, 2008
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Dak will get his numbers. The most important number is our win total. If the team does well everything else will fall into place.
 

57stratdawg

Heisman
Dec 1, 2004
148,782
24,668
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I was really impressed with Prescott this Spring. I went to a couple scrimmages and obviously watched the Spring game, and he's clearly improved even from last fall. He had a throw in the Spring game that about a 10 yard out right across the field which he delivered on the money to Fred Brown (I believe). That's a legit throw.
 

GloryDawg

Heisman
Mar 3, 2005
20,917
20,283
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Dak slipped out of he race because State slipped out of the ranking due to losing. If we had made the four team playoff Dak would have finished much higher. If State gets to the play offs this season Dak will be a real contender no matter his numbers.
 

thatsbaseball

All-American
May 29, 2007
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Dak can win the Heisman but he has to show up in ALL the big games. Dan will obviously play a big part of making this happen (if it happens) by coaching Dak himself , surrounding him with good people and not calling quarterback dives on 3rd and 5 when everybody in the whole freaking stadium knows what the call`s going to be. We`ll see.
 
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Dak's stats last year were sufficient to win the trophy. But he would have had to win(and not throw 3 red zone INTs) in Tuscaloosa.

Yep. Those crucial interceptions in Tuscaloosa pretty much eliminated him from the Heisman race. His stats weren't the issue.
 

dawgatUSM

Redshirt
Apr 6, 2008
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What's amazing to me is that his numbers were equal to or better than winstons from the year before without even playing a full half in the first 3 games.
 

coach66

Junior
Mar 5, 2009
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Amen and Amen.

Dak can win the Heisman but he has to show up in ALL the big games. Dan will obviously play a big part of making this happen (if it happens) by coaching Dak himself , surrounding him with good people and not calling quarterback dives on 3rd and 5 when everybody in the whole freaking stadium knows what the call`s going to be. We`ll see.

Agree, Dan didn't show up in key games last year and it hurt Dak. Dan needs to improve in big game situations. Not a negative post just a fact.
 

BiscuitEater

Redshirt
Aug 29, 2009
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Way too early Heisman Odds ..

Currently has Dak in 3rd Place (247 Sports). He is the First QB on the list .. 6 out of the last 6 Winners have been QBs (FWIW, 7 of last 8 have been QBs) .. SEC has #2 Fournette, #3 Dak, #4 Chubb, #9 Henry & #13 Jeremy Johnson in Top 20.

+ First QB on the List
+ Johnson (Aub) is main competition at QB in SEC

- Too many SEC RBs to take South votes
- Tendency to vote 'anyone 'cept SEC

  1. Ezekiel Elliott (RB Ohio State) - 6/1
  2. Leonard Fournette (RB LSU) - 15/2
  3. Dak Prescott (QB Mississippi State) - 8/1
  4. Nick Chubb (RB Georgia) - 8/1
  5. Trevone Boykin (QB TCU) - 8/1
  6. Cardale Jones (QB Ohio State) - 12/1
  7. Cody Kessler (QB USC) - 12/1
  8. Everett Golson (QB Florida State) - 14/1
  9. Derrick Henry (RB Alabama) - 16/1
  10. Paul Perkins (RB UCLA) - 18/1
  11. Connor Cook (QB Michigan State) - 20/1
  12. Deshaun Watson (QB Clemson) - 20/1
  13. Jeremy Johnson (QB Auburn) - 20/1
  14. Samaje Perine (RB Oklahoma) - 20/1
  15. Braxton Miller (QB Ohio State) - 25/1
  16. J.T. Barrett (QB Ohio State) - 28/1
  17. Corey Clement (RB Wisconsin) - 33/1
  18. Justin Thomas (QB Georgia Tech) - 33/1
  19. Royce Freeman (RB Oregon) - 33/1
  20. Seth Russell (QB Baylor) - 33/1
  21. Brad Kaaya (QB Miami) - 40/1
  22. D.J. Foster (RB Arizona State) - 40/1
  23. Dalvin Cook (RB Florida State) - 40/1
  24. James Connor (RB Pittsburgh) - 40/1
  25. Malik Zaire (QB Notre Dame) - 40/1
  26. Mason Rudolph (QB Oklahoma State) - 40/1
  27. Nick Wilson (RB Arizona) - 40/1
  28. Taysom Hill (QB BYU) - 40/1
  29. Jared Goff (QB California) - 50/1
  30. Jacoby Brissett (QB North Carolina State) - 66/1
  31. Jalen Hurd (RB Tennessee) - 66/1
  32. Laquon Treadwell (WR Mississippi) - 66/1
  33. Marquise Williams (QB North Carolina) - 66/1
  34. Scooby Wright (LB Arizona) - 66/1
 

coach66

Junior
Mar 5, 2009
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He certainly has a good shot. I have been a big Dak believer from the start,

check my thread history. He has the physical/mental tools to be great and he has a very good persona. If he can stay injury free and win some big games he could
easily win it. I like the position our team is in right now. Frankly I don't expect much drop off but i know I may be in the minority.
 

Bulldogg31

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Dec 9, 2013
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Considering Ohio State will go 12-0 and be in the playoff Elliott and Miller would be front runners in my opinion.

I wish those guys played in a tougher conference.
 

Tin Cup Cowboy

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That list is a perfect example of why I think the Heisman is a crock of ****.

Out of 34 players 2 are not a QB or RB.
 

HD6

Sophomore
Apr 8, 2003
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Miller? Why would their third string QB be a front runner?
 

Bulldogg31

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Dec 9, 2013
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Miller? Why would their third string QB be a front runner?

Good question. He's listed 15th on this list. Just looked closer and noticed Cardale Jones is #6...I guess I should have said whoever their starting QB is this year.

Good catch
 
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patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
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Because he may be Alabama's starting QB? I'm really not putting too much stock into those rumors, but they are out there.
 
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