He gone … unvaccinated Vikings coach

[JPFisher]

exercising the freedom to challenge truth, biases, and views is a wonderful right to exercise. these rights are slowly deteriorating. if we lose our freedom, we lose everything.

I agree.

Although, I'd assert that we seek truth. To challenge truth and well-established knowledge is to purposefully send ourselves down a path toward destruction. If we as a society can't agree on simple truths, we begin to sew animosity, distrust, and disunion... and that makes us weak. I believe we must challenge, both, conventions that hold us back, and what we're told by selfish/bad actors.

The hope of democracy depends on a well-educated, informed, healthy, and united citizenry. We're sitting at a precarious point right now.

 

[American Dragon]

SMH did you not read the post? They aren’t preventative at all. You will need boosters your entire life. Miss one and you may get it. I never said cure. I said treatment. Death is inevitable. Might want to ponder what’s on the other side.

Numerous vaccines require boosters. Tetanus, flu, MMR, Tdap, pneumonia, etc.

 

[BBBLazing]

According to the CDC, a few weeks ago, more people died from complications due to the vaccine than from complications due to the disease. The total number is now (CORRECTION) passing 11K (not 70K as i earlier posted).

People either don't hear about this, because of $$$ or because they are too busy lighting candles at the alter of Fraudci.

so you were only off by about 700%?

 

[crashtestdummy_rivals61973]

I agree.

Although, I'd assert that we seek truth. To challenge truth and well-established knowledge is to purposefully send ourselves down a path toward destruction. If we as a society can't agree on simple truths, we begin to sew animosity, distrust, and disunion... and that makes us weak. I believe we must challenge, both, conventions that hold us back, and what we're told by selfish/bad actors.

The hope of democracy depends on a well-educated, informed, healthy, and united citizenry. We're sitting at a precarious point right now.

our population has never been well educated in the truth. over half of the people still believe in an invisible man living in the sky.

 

[megablue]

I agree.

Although, I'd assert that we seek truth. To challenge truth and well-established knowledge is to purposefully send ourselves down a path toward destruction. If we as a society can't agree on simple truths, we begin to sew animosity, distrust, and disunion... and that makes us weak. I believe we must challenge, both, conventions that hold us back, and what we're told by selfish/bad actors.

The hope of democracy depends on a well-educated, informed, healthy, and united citizenry. We're sitting at a precarious point right now.

Excellent post. Thank you.

 

[Lost In FL]

so you were only off by about 700%?

Mustve bern a typo.

Go catch the flu ... i mean, covid. Whatever...

 

[sieken_rivals49111]

Yeah, he has the right not to wear a team colors but if he wants to work for that team he has to wear their gear and follow their rules.

Seems a Grey area to me. You can't change a rule that flies in the face of your religion for example. I think this topic rises to that level. Your employer should have no say what so ever in an employee's choices about their healthcare.

 

[notFromhere]

So you would eat the horse dewormer on a cracker also for Covid?
That's what the his Freedom First Network is promoting.

Really seeing why our country has declined intellectually.

Probably as effective as the shot that CNN and their ilk are promoting, so no. Look in the mirror and you'll see why the country has declined intellectually. If you believe a gov website is run by Facebook, you're part of the problem. If you think CNN doesn't lie on a regular basis, you're part of the reason for intellectual decline.

I don't know anything about freedom first network. I do know that people who automatically generalize about info on a site because it's not mainstream are foolish.

If only stupid people cared enough to look at all of the retractions the media has had to issue and those it still refuses to issue for their mistaken reports about subjects, the intellectual integrity of this country would start to return. Instead, they parrot the same bs on top of bs on top of bs the base of which has been proven wrong over 4 years ago. They'd rather wade in their own filth than look at facts and findings.

 

[notFromhere]

If the vaccine works as stated, there will not be an issue. People get sick. It's unavoidable.

Maybe employers should fire or not hire anyone with a family history of cancer or heart disease? Or a bad food allergy? After all, someone could have accidentally leave a smudge of peanut butter on a door handle. Or maybe we just don't hire anyone with any physical disability?

As a society our attention span shrunk and with it our ability to see further than the end of our nose.

In working age people, there is a very small chance of a serious case and virtually zero chance of death. So no need to worry on those fronts. Also anyone concerned has the ability to get the vaccine if they choose. So the only concern left are cases.

Vaccines were made to prevent serious cases not to eliminate covid. The latter is not a realistic outcome. Delta shows how great the virus is at working around existing protection; and future variants will be even better. Exposure is and always was a near certainty.

So if serious cases/death are a non issue and exposure is certain (therefore not a variable); then what's left? That's right - nothing. Well except control of course. The desire to make someone do what you think they should do.

Personal choice must always be the rule, minus limited extreme circumstances. A virus with 99% survival rate and vaccines far less than 100% effective against transmission do not warrant extreme circumstances.

Now you've hit on the next issue for which there will be no defense if this is allowed to stand. Employers can already do this without saying they're doing it.

 

[notFromhere]

The empirical data out there contradicts your “I’ve seen vaccinated people in our office who got it”. But the properly blinded studies to directly test susceptibility to infection and risk of transmission are just now underway, so I guess we’ll have to wait until those results are reported. I bet we find there is a significant reduction in infection and transmission among vaccinated vs unvaccinated. If not, I’ll admit I was wrong.

If you think that companies and governments that were willing to use a KNOWINGLY flawed test of the magnitude of this protocol will release any data that doesn't suit their agenda, a friend of mine has got a castle to sell you off of Versailles Rd. Would you like me to send you wiring instructions?

Lol. You WILL definitely get a study that tells you there is a significant reduction in the vaccinated vs un. I could have told you that in July of last year. You may get more than one.

The question is whether you or anyone else like you will ask how the study is done to see if the conclusions they draw are true or if the study is flawed at the outset. I can already answer that question for you now as well. No. You won't ask a single question. You'll believe wtf they tell you to believe. You'll have lots of company, too, because people don't know how studies are supposed to work, how sample size affects the data, and how the premises and collection of data can be skewed to get a predictable, desired conclusion.

 

[notFromhere]

Glad he got fired. Political dogma has over taken common sense.

He doesn't want the vax, fine, bet they don't have trouble filling his position.

Attitudes like his are why we're about national mandates again. Trumpian oan nonsense.

Suckin at the teets of Don Lemon himself.

It's not political nonsense. It has nothing to do with Trump. It isn't a political dogma.

Amoebas have more brain cells than it took to post such absurdly stupid and uneducated bullsht as you posted.

I'll forgive your ignorance since it seems to be all-encompassing on this. Read about world war 2 and the judgments in favor of human rights that came out of that conflict, or get some books on tape if you don't have time to read. The right of an individual to make medical decisions for themselves and deny treatment of any kind is an international ruling going back to Nuremberg. It's not something new, political, dogma, nor trumpian.

Maybe you liked it when governments used jews and African americans for experiments. That's your right to be bigoted and fascist, but it doesn't grant you the right to take away the choices of others.

If your vaccine works, just like your other chosen beliefs, you have NOTHING to worry about. If you're worried, seems like you made a bad choice and want others to be forced into the same situation you chose. If the 2nd is true, you are likely a far left liberal aka fascist, national socialist. Run out and join the nazi party or kkk. You'll fit right in with their dogma, politics, and beliefs.

 

[notFromhere]

I know several who got severely sick and a couple who died after taking the vaccine.
One of my best friends is in bad condition right now with heart problems after taking it. Said he is also having bad problems with his legs not working right.

This vaccine is much worse than the actual virus. A virus that is so deadly they had to include cancer deaths, car wrecks, drive by shootings etc etc etc all in to drive the numbers up.

Your much better off getting the virus and developing natural immunity to it

I know three people died of blood clots in their lungs after receiving it. All three the same week. All three became eligible for the shots at the same time. No previous such issues and no forewarning in spite of their medical situation being closely monitored. Staggering coincidence? No. The odds against this happening are astronomical, if you were allowed to know the surrounding medical context.

This was a known side effect of the shots last october before the experimental approval was given.

If you are 1-39 and healthy the data suggests you are much much better off gaining natural immunity to the virus through exposure, if you haven't already been exposed and your immune system hasn't already defeated it. The Novovax vaccine (it's the only one that is one, if the reports of its manufacture are accurate) may give some immunity but won't be available until October. If it's as ineffective as a flu shot, then again natural immunity is better.

You can either reason or not when it comes to this. I'm done attempting to shine any light on this for anyone. When a group of over 100 international doctors files a lawsuit to try to get this stopped, you need to ask more questions and actually have an open mind about what may be going on.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Google is in on it you bozo. Mainstream media and social are getting paid a lot of money as well as politicians to propagandize their narrative. Who is 'their' by the way. Big pharma. Follow the money. Who actually owns Pfizer, J&J, Moderna. It will lead back to the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, and the other money controlling elites.

Oh, you're one of those. Hilarious. The Rothschild family, for example, spent most of their money. They haven't been significant power players for generations. Pfizer has no shareholders with significant positions, same with almost every publicly traded company.

Lol, I can't believe people still think like you. By the way, we actually did land on the moon and the earth isn't flat.

 

[Punkin Puss]

Probably as effective as the shot that CNN and their ilk are promoting, so no. Look in the mirror and you'll see why the country has declined intellectually. If you believe a gov website is run by Facebook, you're part of the problem. If you think CNN doesn't lie on a regular basis, you're part of the reason for intellectual decline.

I don't know anything about freedom first network. I do know that people who automatically generalize about info on a site because it's not mainstream are foolish.

If only stupid people cared enough to look at all of the retractions the media has had to issue and those it still refuses to issue for their mistaken reports about subjects, the intellectual integrity of this country would start to return. Instead, they parrot the same bs on top of bs on top of bs the base of which has been proven wrong over 4 years ago. They'd rather wade in their own filth than look at facts and findings.

A contributor to Freedom First Network also promotes that the US government is using planes to sterilize the population, that's what the vapor trails are. Hurricane Irma was a man made storm. Bill Gates has a plan for global genocide. etc.
Here's some his articles.

https://chemtrailsnews.com/author/healthranger/

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Suckin at the teets of Don Lemon himself.

It's not political nonsense. It has nothing to do with Trump. It isn't a political dogma.

Amoebas have more brain cells than it took to post such absurdly stupid and uneducated bullsht as you posted.

I'll forgive your ignorance since it seems to be all-encompassing on this. Read about world war 2 and the judgments in favor of human rights that came out of that conflict, or get some books on tape if you don't have time to read. The right of an individual to make medical decisions for themselves and deny treatment of any kind is an international ruling going back to Nuremberg. It's not something new, political, dogma, nor trumpian.

Maybe you liked it when governments used jews and African americans for experiments. That's your right to be bigoted and fascist, but it doesn't grant you the right to take away the choices of others.

If your vaccine works, just like your other chosen beliefs, you have NOTHING to worry about. If you're worried, seems like you made a bad choice and want others to be forced into the same situation you chose. If the 2nd is true, you are likely a far left liberal aka fascist, national socialist. Run out and join the nazi party or kkk. You'll fit right in with their dogma, politics, and beliefs.

Um, I usually agree with you but Nuremberg has zero to do with governments being able to compel vaccinations. Schools have mandated it for decades. If Nuremberg applied, how does it continue in plain sight?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

The founder of Freedom First Network also promotes that the US government is using planes to sterilize the population, that's what the vapor trails are. Hurricane Irma was a man made storm. Bill Gates has a plan for global genocide. etc.
Here's some his articles.

https://chemtrailsnews.com/author/healthranger/

Don't get me started on "chemtrails".

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I know three people died of blood clots in their lungs after receiving it. All three the same week. All three became eligible for the shots at the same time. No previous such issues and no forewarning in spite of their medical situation being closely monitored. Staggering coincidence? No. The odds against this happening are astronomical, if you were allowed to know the surrounding medical context.

This was a known side effect of the shots last october before the experimental approval was given.

If you are 1-39 and healthy the data suggests you are much much better off gaining natural immunity to the virus through exposure, if you haven't already been exposed and your immune system hasn't already defeated it. The Novovax vaccine (it's the only one that is one, if the reports of its manufacture are accurate) may give some immunity but won't be available until October. If it's as ineffective as a flu shot, then again natural immunity is better.

You can either reason or not when it comes to this. I'm done attempting to shine any light on this for anyone. When a group of over 100 international doctors files a lawsuit to try to get this stopped, you need to ask more questions and actually have an open mind about what may be going on.

A whole 100? Look, there are nuts in every profession. Look at Sherry Tendency. Her medical license needs to be revoked. Do you have a link to that suit? Also, deaths happen every year from penicillin. People react differently. 3 deaths out of hundreds of millions of doses isn't really getting my attention. Do you want penicillin to not be used? Of course not because you understand the greater good.

 

[TBCat]

Well many reasons why, here are a few

1. Not all of us are selfish and only care about ourselves. I know empathy seems to be a foreign concept to some on this board, but some folks actually care about the wellbeing of others!
2. There are millions of people who can't get the vaccine because of various reasons, such as children (either because of lack of parental consent or age), medical reasons, religious reasons, etc. who are vulnerable. And even people who have been unvaccinated who have a compromised immune system have a much less effective immune response from getting the vaccine than people with a strong immune system who have been vaccinated.
3. The longer the virus hangs around and the more it spreads, the more likely it is to mutate and dilute the effectiveness of the vaccines. We're already seeing that with the delta variant. The next bad variant that comes around will likely be even more effective at working around the vaccines. I know some of y'all like to pimp natural immunity, but not everyone wants to face the potential short and long-term consequences of contracting COVID.
4. Many hospitals are running out of emergency room space again, which causes increased backlogs and wait times for emergency services, both in and outside the hospital (like EMT response times). That potentially compromises the health and safety of everyone, never k now when you'll ahve a heart attack, stroke, car crash, house fire, natural disaster, etc. The more COVID patients that are in the hospital, the less space there is for people needing non-COVID care.

I would argue the opposite. You are the one being selfish. You are demanding people take an experimental drug, not because it is in their best interest but because it is in your best interest. The only valid reason to take a drug is if it primarily helps the person taking the drug. There is no valid argument for me to take a drug to protect you.

There are not millions of people that can't take the drug. The ones that are excluded have been proven to not be affected by covid so there is no reason. The ones that are not vaccinated have shown in survey after survey to have no interest in taking the vaccine. Their choice, but the narrative that you owe it to someone else to get vaccinated is complete bogus.

The third point is also untrue and has been stated by many health care practitioners. Vaccines do not eradicate viruses. This virus will continue to exist as long as we do. It's not going anywhere. This was the same failed argument that justified the lockdowns. If we just allow our freedoms to be taken away then this virus will just simply go away and leave us alone. That was never going to happen. Also vaccines do not eradicate variants. In fact the opposite is likely true. We were warned about this from the beginning. Introducing a vaccine during an outbreak will likely lead to a variant.

The final point you made is based on data being taken out of context. Go to any hospital at any random time and tell me when you see the first empty room. My guess is you probably won't find one. Hospitals are always at full capacity. That's by design. At the end of the day hospitals are businesses. They do not exist to have empty rooms. Using how full the hospitals are as a barometer of how we are dealing with a virus is bad journalism. This was done during the early days of the virus. CNN screaming "the hospitals are full oh my god we're all going to die". At one point someone actually was a journalist looked into it and less than 1% of the patients were there for Covid. 80% of the patients were there for elective surgeries. Trump sent two hospital ships to ships to New York and they were never used. Even in Kentucky the Nutter center was converted to a temporary hospital for Covid patients. It also was never used. There is a reason for that and sadly too many people have forgotten that it actually happened. The myth of filling up our hospitals is just that, it's a myth.

Believing that allowing someone the freedom to decide what is in their own best interest poses an existential threat to you there for you are compelled to strip them of free will is a sad line of thinking. But of course this won't be the first time such a thing has been done. A famous philosopher observed the same behavior during the holocaust.

"If you can convince people to believe in absurdities, you can convince them to commit atrocities"

I'm sorry but informed consent is the line in the sand. There is no justification for over turning it.

 

[TBCat]

Can you provide evidence to support your claim that all ten points of the Nuremberg Code have been violated in the US?

1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.

2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.

3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.

4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.

5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.

6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.

7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.

8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.

9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.

10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probably cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.

This list is copied from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum's site, which can be found here.

The Nuremberg Code was formulated to sew up ethics loopholes that Nazi medical scientists were trying to use to weasel out of punishment after the war. They tested chemical and biological agents on people that they believed were lesser than them. I'll 100% humor you, but I want to make sure that we're all on the same page here as far as the comparisons being drawn and the magnitude of where this line of thought could go. It's not a subject to be taken lightly.

If you are stating that people have no right not to take the vaccine or can suffer penalty, loss of freedom or employment, then you are absolutely violating the first item on the list.

 

[Flipflopsandsocks]

Seems a Grey area to me. You can't change a rule that flies in the face of your religion for example. I think this topic rises to that level. Your employer should have no say what so ever in an employee's choices about their healthcare.

They should risk their business because an employee wants to own the libs? This has nothing to do with religion. There are vaccinations you have to have for all kinds of jobs, especially if you travel.

 

[kritikalcat]

If you think that companies and governments that were willing to use a KNOWINGLY flawed test of the magnitude of this protocol will release any data that doesn't suit their agenda, a friend of mine has got a castle to sell you off of Versailles Rd. Would you like me to send you wiring instructions?

Lol. You WILL definitely get a study that tells you there is a significant reduction in the vaccinated vs un. I could have told you that in July of last year. You may get more than one.

The question is whether you or anyone else like you will ask how the study is done to see if the conclusions they draw are true or if the study is flawed at the outset. I can already answer that question for you now as well. No. You won't ask a single question. You'll believe wtf they tell you to believe. You'll have lots of company, too, because people don't know how studies are supposed to work, how sample size affects the data, and how the premises and collection of data can be skewed to get a predictable, desired conclusion.

Knowingly flawed test? What are you talking about. The Phase III trial methodology and results are publicly available, and yes I’ve read them. Put very simply, for each vaccine a demographically representative and randomized cohort of 30-40K participants was divided in half with one half getting the vaccine protocol and the other getting a placebo. They were then tracked from July to mid November. The vaccinated cohorts had 95% fewer COVID-19 cases than the unvaccinated.

 

[megablue]

They should risk their business because an employee wants to own the libs? This has nothing to do with religion. There are vaccinations you have to have for all kinds of jobs, especially if you travel.

It appears that mandatory vaccinations will become more prevalent if/when FDA approval happens. I could be wrong about that, however.

 

[JPFisher]

If you are stating that people have no right not to take the vaccine or can suffer penalty, loss of freedom or employment, then you are absolutely violating the first item on the list.

I've not said that. The closest thing I've said is that the decision should be up to a person and their general practitioner. I don't believe that the decision should be completely left up to someone who searched google or conspiracy news sites for answers. Again, there's a reason conservative media is starting to favor vaccines. Who do you think our country stands to lose the most when things get real bad this fall? Some of us are trying to keep folks alive because nobody deserves to die gasping for breath and drowning from a preventable, transmissible disease while being totally isolated from their loved ones. Nor do they deserve the potentially lifelong health problems that accompany survival.

Regardless, an employer shouldn't be required to harbor an unvaccinated, potential health liability. If you're a pilot traveling internationally, you get your shots. If you're a college student about to live in dorms, you get your shots. If you're a doctor, you get your shots, because nobody likes hepatitis. The laws on this vary state-to-state.

You might have a point if the vaccine was still experimental. There's a lot more that goes into it than just that, but we'll simplify it to narrow things down to that one point. Most employers aren't the researchers who conducted the studies in 2020 to determine vaccine safety and efficacy.

Two totally different arenas, my friend.

I would like to ask you one question, though. Why are you, personally, anti vaccine, or hesitant, or whatever stance you may be?

 

[JPFisher]

It appears that mandatory vaccinations will become more prevalent if/when FDA approval happens. I could be wrong about that, however.

Most likely. Universities are preparing for it. Literally had to have a list of vaccinations when I went to school. Bacterial meningitis among them because they didn't want students dying from something completely preventable that could break out at any moment.

Tetanus and influenza aren't required, but I'm happy to deal with them on a more or less regular basis, too. Lockjaw and/or a week in the ******* don't sound like a great time to me.

 

[megablue]

Most likely. Universities are preparing for it. Literally had to have a list of vaccinations when I went to school. Bacterial meningitis among them because they didn't want students dying from something completely preventable that could break out at any moment.

Tetanus and influenza aren't required, but I'm happy to deal with them on a more or less regular basis, too. Lockjaw and/or a week in the ******* don't sound like a great time to me.

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-prepa...virus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines

They appear to be working hard on approval. I’ve read where it will happen in January, but many want to see approval ASAP … as in this Fall. Full approval will change things, especially for schools and the military.

I wonder if people’s attitudes will change when FDA approval and full licensure occurs and the emergency use designation is superseded ??

 

[JPFisher]

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-prepa...virus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-vaccines

They appear to be working hard on approval. I’ve read where it will happen in January, but many want to see approval ASAP … as in this Fall. Full approval will change things, especially for schools and the military.

When might the vaccines be approved?

On 16 July, FDA accepted Pfizer’s application “under priority review”—meaning it will move faster than during standard reviews, which typically take at least 10 months; the agency now has until January 2022 to review the materials. That seems like a long time, but last week an FDA official told CNN that the decision is likely to come within 2 months. “The review … has been ongoing, is among the highest priorities of the agency, and the agency intends to complete the review far in advance of the [January] Date,” an FDA press officer confirmed to Science in a statement.

Link from Science: When will COVID-19 vaccines be fully approved—and does it matter whether they are?

Edit: it should be noted that Moderna's full approval SHOULD come no more than a couple weeks after Pfizer's. At least based on when each submitted for full authorization.

 

[megablue]

When might the vaccines be approved?

On 16 July, FDA accepted Pfizer’s application “under priority review”—meaning it will move faster than during standard reviews, which typically take at least 10 months; the agency now has until January 2022 to review the materials. That seems like a long time, but last week an FDA official told CNN that the decision is likely to come within 2 months. “The review … has been ongoing, is among the highest priorities of the agency, and the agency intends to complete the review far in advance of the [January] Date,” an FDA press officer confirmed to Science in a statement.

Link from Science: When will COVID-19 vaccines be fully approved—and does it matter whether they are?

Edit: it should be noted that Moderna's full approval SHOULD come no more than a couple weeks after Pfizer's. At least based on when each submitted for full authorization.

Here’s but one of many pieces about the timing and effect of approval:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...9-vaccine-until-january-heres-why-11626877261

 

[JPFisher]

My only question is if the variant boosters will still fall under full authorization as well or if they'll have to go through the whole process again.

 

[megablue]

My only question is if the variant boosters will still fall under full authorization as well or if they'll have to go through the whole process again.

My wife and I have the same question, as we are past the six-month mark. We are both 68.

 

[Chuckinden]

Ummmmm no. You start with the constitution and go from there. I’m not saying they can’t fire him. I said he exercised his rights.

...and the team exercised theirs.

 

[DelkBowl]

...and the team exercised theirs.

Yes and I didn’t say otherwise.

 

[JDHoss]

Most likely. Universities are preparing for it. Literally had to have a list of vaccinations when I went to school. Bacterial meningitis among them because they didn't want students dying from something completely preventable that could break out at any moment.

Tetanus and influenza aren't required, but I'm happy to deal with them on a more or less regular basis, too. Lockjaw and/or a week in the ******* don't sound like a great time to me.

Yep. I was vaccinated for school, been taking a flu shot for over 35 years, get my Tetanus shot as needed, got my shingles shot, will get a pneumonia shot if/when I turn 65, and had to get a couple of shots when my employer wanted me to go to Brazil to work for a week or two. Taking a booster or yearly Covid shot isn't a big deal, and in fact I expected it. Our entire immediate family and close circle of friends are all vaccinated with Moderna or Phizer, including a couple that I was worried wouldn't get it, but they didn't hesitate and I'm very proud of them.

 

[DelkBowl]

Yep. I was vaccinated for school, been taking a flu shot for over 35 years, get my Tetanus shot as needed, got my shingles shot, will get a pneumonia shot if/when I turn 65, and had to get a couple of shots when my employer wanted me to go to Brazil to work for a week or two. Taking a booster or yearly Covid shot isn't a big deal, and in fact I expected it. Our entire immediate family and close circle of friends are all vaccinated with Moderna or Phizer, including a couple that I was worried wouldn't get it, but they didn't hesitate and I'm very proud of them.

I did fine with the old shingles shot but the new one put me in the ER.

 

[JDHoss]

I did fine with the old shingles shot but the new one put me in the ER.

Interesting. I got mine (as did my wife) last fall, and our arms got a little sore, like with a flu shot.

 

[Tskware]

Just checking in on page 8.

Has anyone posted anything new, or is it pretty much the same posters restating their same positions they have had since Covid first became a thing?

 

[JPFisher]

Just checking in on page 8.

Has anyone posted anything new, or is it pretty much the same posters restating their same positions they have had since Covid first became a thing?

Personally, I think there's been some constructive conversations. Might just be optimism, though.

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

Anecdotes don't stand up nearly as well as the hundreds of thousands of folks who've been assessed via stringent research papers and the millions who have been monitored after vaccine rollout late last year.

One or two examples of any perceived side effects can be pure chance. Seriously, it happens all the time because life is messy. That's why we need large samples and carefully crafted studies to eliminate bias as much as possible. I work at a university. It's likely that 90%+ of the ~150 people I interact with on a monthly basis now have gotten both jabs (or one of J&J, of course). Know how many had any noticeable, long-term side effects? None. And yes, I've asked nearly all of them. Molecular biologists who will know more about immune function and vaccines than I ever will were basically in line as soon as doses came to town.

Same with my family. Hell, my gun-toting, outlaw country-loving uncle got his shot the minute it was available. No side effects.

The fact of the matter remains that long-term impacts of the virus are KNOWN to be detrimental. We've got folks like Kirk Herbstreit who still have no sense of taste or smell. Brain fog and lethargy are additional detriments. Lung scarring and organ damage caused by the virus and low O2 levels will impact global healthcare for decades. Even asymptomatic cases have been shown to inflame the heart while mild cases have reduced gray matter in the brain (recent study). Clots are an issue, too.

We now live in a time when people who are on an ICU bed or are about to be intubated are still pushing anti-vax rhetoric. Maybe they're trying to become martyrs, maybe they're just stubborn. It's damn difficult for people to admit when they've made serious mistakes. I feel like more people would come out as pro-vaccine if a lot of folks on the left would just stop being a bunch of dicks and a lot of folks on the right would look at the consequences of their actions. Seriously, to any liberals and leftists who are guilty of saying "I told you so" as someone's loved one is LITERALLY drowning in their own fluids, that's about as horrific and detrimental to our cause than anything I can think of. It's a small percentage. Kinda like the vocal basketball fans that threaten and berate college players. But still. Think before you type. I digress.

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Masking was literally the least we could've asked for. Folks refused. Vaccination is a better alternative (both is even better), but still folks refused (and now the Delta variant is likely going to shut a lot of stuff down again this winter). Fox News folks are starting to come forward and promote the vaccine. I don't know if it's a lack of Trump or the realization that this ****'s about to hit their base hard, but they're slowly beginning to talk positively about the vaccine. The Alabama governor... ALABAMA, has started talking about the vaccine's benefits. This isn't going away soon, and it certainly isn't going away before it takes out a LOT more people.

Israel has a ton vaxxed. Delta is breaking through. LA has a ton vaxxed. Breaking through. Vaccines are still effective, but the Delta variant has altered spike proteins which helps it bypass the OG vaccines. The summer was nice while the vaccines held, but until we get the updated booster shots, I think we're right back to where we were before last fall.

I know I might not change your mind. I really do. But, I'd like to take a moment to ask you as someone who cares about Kentuckians and BBN, that you carry an open mind.

Be well.

Ya covid is so bad that you have to be reminded 24/7 their is a virus.

I know what you wrote is BS because I personally know many who took it and got terribly sick. Just like the articles I submitted about Eric Clapton.

Now the CDC is backing off the testing saying their are tons of false positives. You know like sending samples of berries, trees, etc off and they come back positive.

https://humansarefree.com/2021/07/data-shows-84-percent-of-new-covid-cases-are-vaccinated.html

 

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Lol FreedomFirstNetwork…reliable news I’m sure.

I'm sure CNN is reliable.

News is so reliable that Facists Fauci has to coordinate with companies to stop spread of info just like the lab scientists who worked at Wuhan

 

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Here is a former CNN anchor giving you some news.

https://usawatchdog.com/vax-attacks-clapton-awakens-red-hot-inflation/

 

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This is what they want here and only the beginning. Just like in France where they are having riots and Macrons entire security detail quit after he stated you can't even buy food or travel unless you get this vaccine.
These Libs are lining up for the mark of the beast.

https://rumble.com/vk6yaw-australia...xn5gxy2CcsT5JS36hnA0Kqf74GHJcZ1REM48uxIBR-PTc