First I’ve heard you say that in this thread but I’ve heard plenty of how great and empathetic you are because your pro vaccine stance. Dumping on people that don’t see your viewpoint, it’s absolute garbage. Not everyone trusts systematic universal healthcare. It’s a socialistic driven agenda in my point of view. If I choose to not get the vaccine, then that’s my business. I follow all the other protocol but injection of a vaccination that I’m not 100% sure of is an American right.
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Fwiw … I’m an advocate of universal healthcare, too. A healthier society is a better society, imho.
I’m not saying they can’t fire him. I’m saying no one can force you to inject yourself.
Yeah, he has the right not to wear a team colors but if he wants to work for that team he has to wear their gear and follow their rules.
I apologize, this isn't the Paddock.
But it baffles me in a country with readily available access to a vaccine, that people are taking an off counter medicine for worms and head lice.
They promote on social media some "research" study from a desperate 3rd world country with no access for vaccines. It's been a boon for holistic medical practitioners as we erode the scientific community.
Wonder if there's a bloodletting study for Covid yet?
Everyone knows COVID is a manifestation of too much yellow bile. We must treat it with a poultice of poppy extract, honey, and deadly nightshade.
Yep probably right. Hopefully, you or your family won't be my patient when I'm taking out the trash.
Yeah, don't misunderstand me, I abhor the snake oil nonsense. Ivermectin is an interesting drug. As I get older I'm slowly learning not to brush things off without some hard evidence. Ivermectin may help a certain group of people. If so, great.
I'm not sure why you're deflecting, though I have a suspicion that it isn't because you have a great argument against my position.
Also, I would really... REALLY recommend that you not assume my viewpoint on anything that I haven't outright discussed. It won't go well for your argument.
Cheers, friend.
I made no assumption about your viewpoint, nor you, well that is, up until you chose to put "really" in all caps.
I simply asked a question regarding your observation that life is a game of chance. Which you chose not to attempt to answer.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I heard healing crystals and chants do real wonders for COVID!
just a matter of time when some self righteous a-hole is gonna cry to the forum police, because their delicate feelings are bruised. anyone taking bets on which sensitive cry baby it will be?
When all this bullcrap is over. There's gonna be thousands of class action lawsuits. Civil rights and hipaa laws violations out the wazoo. Also thousands of criminal trials of crimes against humanity. All 10 of the Nuremburg codes have been violated globally. Just being guilty of one of the codes can get you the death penalty.
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I have the sniffles. Pretty sure it's from mowing earlier, though. Dang fescue gets me every time.
And the winner is....I have the sniffles. Pretty sure it's from mowing earlier, though. Dang fescue gets me every time.
I genuinely don't care to report you. I rarely report the Louisville and Vol trolls. That's about it. My quip was a total joke.
Can you provide evidence to support your claim that all ten points of the Nuremberg Code have been violated in the US?
1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probably cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
This list is copied from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum's site, which can be found here.
The Nuremberg Code was formulated to sew up ethics loopholes that Nazi medical scientists were trying to use to weasel out of punishment after the war. They tested chemical and biological agents on people that they believed were lesser than them. I'll 100% humor you, but I want to make sure that we're all on the same page here as far as the comparisons being drawn and the magnitude of where this line of thought could go. It's not a subject to be taken lightly.
You really need to get off of facebook.
I was asking politely, but thank you for your input. I'll do some digging on WorldCat and Google Scholar. If I find evidence, I'll be sure to report back on this matter.
If.
Have a great one.
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Google is in on it you bozo. Mainstream media and social are getting paid a lot of money as well as politicians to propagandize their narrative. Who is 'their' by the way. Big pharma. Follow the money. Who actually owns Pfizer, J&J, Moderna. It will lead back to the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, and the other money controlling elites.I was asking politely, but thank you for your input. I'll do some digging on WorldCat and Google Scholar. If I find evidence, I'll be sure to report back on this matter.
If.
Have a great one.
if you would like to live without fear...may I suggest you turn off the twenty four news that is keeping America in a constant state of fear. don't drink the water, don't breath the air, don't go outside after dark, don't smoke marijuana, watch out for cyber crime, your child might be kidnapped, don't trust your neighbor, traffic and road rage can be deadly. and war.
and people wonder why a large percentage of the population are depressed and can't be decent to one another.
Alright. I did a bit of digging.
After searching on Google Scholar for various iterations of "Nuremberg" and "Covid" among other key words like "violation" and "infringement," I found a couple papers in German about their own COVID trials. The reference to Nuremberg appeared to be trivial at best, and appeared to assert that they had, indeed, followed ethical protocols during their study. Granted, it was a rough Google translation.
Still haven't done the WorldCat search, but I don't really know if I'll pursue that avenue. A general Google search of "Covid Nuremberg Code" turned up headlines such aas "Why is the Nuremberg Code being used to oppose Covid-19 vaccines?,
No, Covid Vaccine Mandates Don’t Violate the Nuremberg Code
Fact Check-International Criminal Court has yet to assess merit of a claim regarding Israel’s COVID-19 vaccination programme
Fact check: Staff administering COVID-19 vaccines are not war criminals
Nuremberg Code Addresses Experimentation, Not Vaccines
QAnon Followers Think Secret Trials Will Be Held for COVID Rule Enforcers—'Nuremberg 2.0'
Employers Can (Mostly) Require Vaccines For Workers Returning To The Office"
In fairness, I added "NPR" to the query for that last one. So, beware of the public news outlet.
There was also this paper in the first query:
Spinola S., Broderick C., Zimet G., and Ott, M. 2020. Human Challenge Studies With Wild-Type Severe Acute
Respiratory Sydrome Coronavirus 2 Violate Longstanding Codes of Human Subjects Research. Perspectives: OFID.
However, this paper largely discusses the ethics of infecting young folks with wild type SARS-CoV-2 in order to test the efficacy of vaccines. It doesn't conclude much. Just says that doctors are unlikely to pursue such experiments even if people volunteer.
IRONICALLY, the study references the significant potential of Covid to cause severe disease as a reason we shouldn't infect people. Something about bodily harm or something. They do recognize that the vaccines are highly efficacious, which is good news for us.
Sir, I am a Millennial. I'm not sure if you could fathom the number of ***** I don't give. Constant state of fear? C'mon, Man.
Edit: also to be completely honest, I've been trying to hold a nice and civilized conversation with you and some of the folks who may have similar ideologies, and I've been called names and been told to shut up. Introspection might help some folks see that they're the aggressors. It's a big ask, but a necessary one.
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I remember when I used to think like you. I really do. I thought I was so much smarter than everyone else when I handed my vote for Gary Johnson in to my voting precinct official.
It was genuinely debilitating having to constantly reaffirm that I believed some of the crackpot junk I had read and come up with.
And I'm not disparaging you at all. I genuinely, honestly get it.
if you have realized that your past thinking was flawed, and your intellect was not as superior as you once thought. what makes you so sure these mistakes can't happen again?
In all of this discussion the only issue that I really care about is freedom. freedom of choice, and that these choices remain private...if we wish.
Any organization is more reliable than the US media.
Honestly, I sat down and went through a lot of mental turmoil. I'm not immune to being wrong. Every person is imperfect. We're all infallible.
Realizing that, I committed myself to questioning nearly every single notion that comes to me. If I'm not an expert or I haven't thought about something at length, I try to hold my tongue. It's not enough to me to have a view point. I have to assert to myself that it makes sense.
It's not enough to me that I'm pro-2A. It's not enough to me that I'm pro science and pro vax. It's not enough to me that I want to own a homestead and go off grid. It's not enough to me that I want to hold conversations with people I vehemently disagree with.
I have to think to myself why I want or believe in certain things. If I don't, I know that I could easily fall into being some puppet for someone else's personal gain. I don't want to be a democrat or republican poster child. I refuse. I'd rather be dead than a toy.
And honestly, after a while, my old way of thinking really did begin to seriously drain me. I lived thinking I couldn't trust anybody or that the burden of evidence and righteousness fell to me to seek out and profess. Relationships suffered, mental health suffered, my education suffered, and honestly, it was probably the realization that I was suffering that drove me away from my previous line of thought.
I still don't trust politicians for **** and I'm super against massive multinational companies that can levee their influence on our politics. Citizens United can eat it. A company isn't a person.
... I digress. I was also in my nature to trust people and see the good in the world.
I committed myself to finding the truth, challenging my biases and views, and making the world a better place. I'll fall short often. There's no doubt about it. I'm only human. But, that won't stop me from trying. I'm stubborn as hell.
COVID-19 vaccines are effective and are a critical tool to bring the pandemic under control," the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said. "However, no vaccines are 100% effective at preventing illness in vaccinated people. There will be a small percentage of fully vaccinated people who still get sick, are hospitalized, or die from COVID-19."
You know what might be another effective tool? Finding a treatment for it. The above quote demonstrates the vaccine is not a cure.
You know what might be another effective tool? Finding a treatment for it. The above quote demonstrates the vaccine is not a cure.
exercising the freedom to challenge truth, biases, and views is a wonderful right to exercise. these rights are slowly deteriorating. if we lose our freedom, we lose everything.
SMH did you not read the post? They aren’t preventative at all. You will need boosters your entire life. Miss one and you may get it. I never said cure. I said treatment. Death is inevitable. Might want to ponder what’s on the other side.