Hear Ye! Hear Ye!!! Preseason Cream Talk by Stallion

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Happy New Football Year Six Pack Fans!
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I know the Six Pack Nation is in complete awe that the Stallion is back in 2012 with a vengeance. The Godfather said that he needed me like the Honey Badger needs drug rehab therapy. How can I turn that down? It made total sense to me that when help is needed, the Stallion delivers. In lieu of this need, Cream Talk is back and is better than ever. </SPAN>

Now for any newcomers to the board, you are probably wondering what in the world Cream Talk is about. Simply put, the Stallion has always used by the famous line, “The Cream rises to the top” when making his point. I used to preach this to the Godfather and the General no matter what reasons they gave me that MSU will be a contender and not a pretender in the SEC. Being an LSU fan, it always came in handy. Of course, not too long after those discussions were had, Sylvester Croom, not to be confused with Bookman from Good Times, became the head coach and it was not hard to make the argument.
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It’s the argument that always prevails, and the Six Pack nation now gets to live by the Stallion’s preaching. No matter what the Six Pack Nation sees, this stance by the Stallion will always prevail. The Stallion is never wrong. However, the Stallion loves to hear from your worthless viewpoints each and every week and occasionally he will have to give you his feedback if it deserves it.</SPAN>
In years’ past, the Stallion provided a Sunday excerpt, if you will, of pure and amazing written genius. Within this excerpt, there will be an introductory reflection of what occurred in the SEC and beyond for that week with a follow-up Cream Ranking, which might as well be the BCS ranking because it’s that accurate and because the SEC is the best conference bar none. Don’t forget that it is completely unbiased (much to the chagrin of Six Pack fans).
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In 2012, the Stallion is hoping for re-runs from 2011 with the obvious exception of the poor performance by my beloved Tiiigaaahhhs in the BCS championship game. I am pretty sure that The Hat was smoking reefer with Tyrann and Co. the night before that game. Although Stallion’s wishes for another undefeated year in the Bayou country may be granted, this year has a strange feel to it. Hence, there is a little bit of a shake up in the 2012 Preseason Cream Rankings that may surprise some folks. Also, the Stallion had to re-calibrate his crystal ball for 2012 due to the addition of Missouri and Texas A&M, who, let’s face it, seem like Flounder and the fellas showing up at that night club where Otis Day and the Knights were performing. They just don’t fit in, but we will still dance with their dates. May God bless these two teams as they will find out quickly that the hits hurt a little bit harder compared to that sissy football they play just to the west. By the way, the Godfather should give the Stallion a raise for increased workload due to this conference expansion.

So now is the time for the much anticipated Preseason Cream Rankings for 2012.</SPAN>

#1) - Alabama Crimson Tide – They reload faster than the Stallion’s 3 week old baby daughter’s diaper. Saban has officially created a well-oiled machine that just keeps on keeping on. The loss of some key defensive folks to the NFL may create some early season problems but if they can get past Arkansas without a loss, the Stallion believes that Harvey Updyke will spend another happy year after serving his prison term for poisoning Toomer’s corner. It was all worth it baby – RTR!!!</SPAN>

#2) Arkansas Razorbacks – This team just really seems very dangerous and is catching Alabama at the right time and at home.With Knile Davis, who may be the dark horse candidate to be the best back in the SEC (sorry Marcus Lattimore), and a potential Heisman candidate in Tyler Wilson, the Razorbacks can survive on offense without Wilt Chamberlain Petrino.I also think John L. Williams will provide more focus defensively than Petrino.That September game against Bama is a must though.LSU at home is also a plus.</SPAN>

#3) LSU Tiiigaaahhhs – The Stallion wants to believe that this ranking is too low.The Cream Crystal Ball is very agitated with this selection.However, Zack Mettenberger is still unproven and the SEC defenses won’t be as bad as they were last year where LSU can just pound the ball up the middle and win.Taking out instant offense in the form of the Honey Badger is bigger than most people think.Whenever the Tigers needed a big play, Tyrann Matthieu was there to provide instant gratification.His absence will cost the Tigers a big game this year.Grant it.</SPAN>

#4) Georgia Bulldogs – This is the logical choice in the East simply because they have the easiest schedule in the East – no LSU, Arky, or Bama.Life doesn’t get much easier than that.What will be interesting though is that their highly touted QB, Aaron Murray and Isaiah Crowell will have to overcome 3 offensive linemen replacements which may make things interesting offensively.Defensively they should be strong again!Of course, Mark Richt always finds a way to lose a game or two he’s supposed to win.He’s the Bob Stoops of the SEC.</SPAN>

#5)The Real USC …Gamecocks – The Stallions loves him some Ole Ball Coach.However, I am really curious to see how the Gamecocks will respond to the departure of Ellis Johnson who was critical with leading that stout defense that South Carolina had.Spurrier is no mastermind on the defensive side of the ball.The good news – no more Spaniard.The bad news – Connor Shaw isn’t much better.</SPAN>

#6) Auburn Tigers – My favorite football name in the SEC – Philip Lutzenkirchen.Translation – I will hurt you when I catch the ball because I am a mean slow white TE that likes to give out PAIN.If Auburn could settle the QB concerns, they have enough veterans to surprise some folks.This will have to be the year that Gene Cheesestick will need to prove himself as a legit coach after riding the coattails of Mr Newton two years ago.</SPAN>

#7) Florida Gators – Which will come first – Florida winning the Eastern Division or Will Muschamp having a heart attack on the sideline of a game?I am betting the latter, but Florida’s talent is always strong and if the ship gets turned in the right direction, it may be interesting.Expect that Florida defense to be tenacious.</SPAN>

# Missouri Tigers – Living in Big 12 country, the Stallion has always liked the product Gary Pinkel puts on the field.Missouri has always been extremely competitive and been blessed with good speed.I am not sure if the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] wheel SEC Tigers will withstand the physicality of the SEC, but they will need to be very closely watched as a sleeper team.Lack of depth on the D-line could present some issues when facing power running teams of the SEC.The Stallion is excited to see the top recruit Dorial Green-Beckham, not to be confused with his cousins, Benjarvis Green-Ellis, or Maurice Jones-Drew.</SPAN>

#9) Mississippi State MullDawgs – Can Tyler Russell’s immobility survive the defenses of the SEC West?If so, then look for the Bulldogs to surprise a few teams, but with the O-line being a big question mark, this No. 9 ranking may be generous.Everyone loves Jonathan Banks on defense, and I think Mullen is counting his blessings he wasn’t picked as the Penn State coach every day.If Mullen doesn’t beat one of the big 4 in the SEC west, look for him to have a heat rash on the buttocks by the end of this year.</SPAN>

#10) Tennessee Volunteers – Let the coaching sweepstakes begin this year.The Derek Dooley hire was a reach and you can bet they won’t be calling Saban for any references in the future.The program seems in disarray and the once vaunted Vol defenses of old have been flushed down the proverbial Lane Kiffen commode.</SPAN>

#11) Texas A&M Aggies – The saving grace for the Aggies this year will be their offensive line.The bad news is that they play in a division that has even better defensive lines and it won’t matter.A new QB, an injury prone Christine Michael and a new system under Sumlin will make for a long first year in Aggie Land.The good news is that they won’t be facing high potent offenses this year that exposes that secondary.FYI - If this was the Cream Ranking for Cheerleaders they would be 14[SUP]th[/SUP].Hallabullo! Caneck! Caneck!</SPAN>

#12) Vanderbilt Commodores – Stallion loves him some James Franklin.He won’t be at Vanderbilt for long if he brings them to another bowl game.Depth always gets Vandy in most SEC games and this year will be no different.The good news for Vandy is that they too don’t play Arkansas, LSU, or Bama.And most importantly, Ole Miss is still Vandy’s *****.</SPAN>

#13) Kentucky Wildkitties – Jokes officially on Joker.After taken over a very competitive program for Rich Brooks, the second African American hire in the SEC will follow in the first steps of the first one, out the door in a quick amount of time without accomplishing much.</SPAN>

#14) Ole Miss Black Bears/Rebels – After watching a huge “can of quit” open up in Oxford on Houston “My manzere didn’t hold my titties in place” Nutt’s team last year, the Rebels have new life…or do they?The best you could find with that search committee is Arkansas State’s Hugh Freeze?Really?But let’s be honest, Bill Belichick could be the HC and with that talent pool would have a tough time beating Central Arkansas.</SPAN>

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thatsbaseball

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Not sure about all the Arky love but everything else looks good for pre-season. Good job as usual.
 

Dawghouse

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Can't argue with too much. I'd probably switch 2 and 3 and then 8 and 9 but it's really just splitting hairs. I'd like to think state will be closer to 4-5 than 8-9 in the final cream talk of the season. ONly spot that looks like a 100% lock is 14.
 

DAWG61

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Isaiah Crowell plays for Alabama State not Georgia...

got kicked off the team for having a gun in his car with the serial number filed off.
 

State82

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No way Mullen's seat gets hot this year, even if he doesn't beat one of the West's Big 4. Besides, what if he wins the other 4 conference games? He won't be hot even at 6-6. People will definitely be unhappy about that, but saying he will be on the hotseat is long, long stretch.
 

Hump4Hoops

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You're a bit high on auburn

Last year they were a few bad bounces (of which they've had 0 in the last 2 years) away from not being bowl eligible. With their schedule this year, I can't see them winning more than 7 games, 6 seems likely.
 
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They will be better than last year; however,

I agree with your assessment of last year's team. They have a lot of talent, but like many of the other teams in that hodge podge in the middle with the exception of Tennessee, QB is a huge question for Auburn. I like Auburn's defense and I like their leadership. I won't be surprised if they are 8 wins to 6 wins and probably a Music City Bowl or Chick Fil A bowl. If you move them down, I am assuming UF and Mizzou would be better???
 

Shmuley

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No f'n way "John L. Williams" does anything with arky ...

except lose two or more in typical John L. Smith fashion. Swap the pigs and coonasses.

You are dead on with the joker comments. Horrible horrible hire. They seriously need to cut their losses.

Trying to keep up with saban is destroying chizik. There is serious trouble in west Georgia. 6-6 or 7-5 at best.
 

Coach34

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9th may be generous? Auburn has more OL questions than we do, a new OC, and a QB that has 34 career yards passing. And their Secondary is horrendous

Florida hasnt been better than us since 2009, and Mizzou will be hardpressed to win 6 games

****** job there in the middle
 

Jacknut1

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I remember when State won the west without having to beat FL or TN, the league got so pissed they changed the schedule. GA doesn't play AL, ARK, or LSU. What a freaking joke!
 
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Completely disagree with your take on Auburn and Florida.

You are looking at this with maroon and white glasses. Your O-line is a huge question mark and you have an immobile QB and lost your best back. I think you could have a good start but you haven't shown the ability to beat Auburn in quite some time. You must win that game to convince me you have a team that is capable of winning. Your comment is horrendous.
 

LTblows

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True words. John L will not be able to focus the Arkansas team, and to the surprise of many "experts," the Hogs are going down like a Thai hooker this season.
 

missouridawg

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You've got MSU and Vandy too low... Missouri, Arkansas, and Auburn too high.

1) Bama
2) LSU
3/4/5 - UGA, ARK, USCe
6/7/8/- MSU, AUB, UF
9/10/11/12 - Vandy, TN, aTM, Mizzou
13/14 - UK, OM

Mizzou is way too young to beat a team like us, Auburn, Vandy, or UF. Pinkel's good, but he's rebuilding in a year in which his schedule just got twice as tough. James Franklin (their QB) is good, but his line isn't going to allow him to anything worth watching.

Arkansas - Lost Petrino, Garrick McGee, and some WRs. Their offense will take a small step back.

Auburn - Schedule is just too tough to get any higher.

Vandy - Returns damn near everyone and the SEC's other James Franklin will continue to prove what a great coach he is.

UK/OM - SEC should let them schedule each other in December and call it SEC Sissy Slap Fights.

aTm - I think you got this one right, though. New coach, new QB, new offense, new defense, new conference, and a history of choking in crucial moments will spell trouble for the Aggies.

MSU - Our schedule will make us a favorite in 9 games this year, maybe 10. If we reversed our schedule and played at the opposite places, we'd be a favorite in only 6 (maybe 7) games. We'll get 6 wins easy and need to go 3-1 in 4 crucial conference games at home vs Aub, TN, aTm, and Ark. I think 2-2 in those 4 is worst case scenario. 8-4 keeps Mullen seat ice cold.

Nice write-up though. Enjoy your commentary and presentation.
 

missouridawg

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You are looking at this with maroon and white glasses. Your O-line is a huge question mark and you have an immobile QB and lost your best back. I think you could have a good start but you haven't shown the ability to beat Auburn in quite some time. You must win that game to convince me you have a team that is capable of winning. Your comment is horrendous.

Mullen has proved that his system is much like the NFL in that RBs are fairly interchangeable (see Dixon leaving) and that scheme is the primary reason for success. Ballard is a hoss, no doubt, but Perkins and Griffin/Milton/Robinson will be just fine in what should be a more open spread system than what Mullen usually puts out (as in less option and more throwing).
 
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Appreciate your take on Mizzou

I live down in Texas and got to see Missouri play the Big 12 competition over the past few years. They were a good but not overwhelming team. It's hard to translate that into SEC language. I like the way he runs that team, and I'm just having a tough time putting a pulse on them.
 

Victory Red

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You are looking at this with maroon and white glasses. Your O-line is a huge question mark and you have an immobile QB and lost your best back. I think you could have a good start but you haven't shown the ability to beat Auburn in quite some time. You must win that game to convince me you have a team that is capable of winning. Your comment is horrendous.

If you know Coach34, you know you're not going to get anywhere using facts.

I think you have Arkansas too high. They lost their top three WRs and their defense has never been good. Otherwise, solid job.
 
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John L. equals Les Miles in 2007 after taking over for Saban

Arkansas has so much talent that they are scary! Not to mention, they were explosive last year without Davis at RB who is very productive. Their schedule sets up very well with the fact that they play Bama early with a lot of new DBs who are young and have to learn the Saban scheme which isn't easy. I have them over LSU simply because Mettenberger is very fresh. LSU was able to win last year b/c of their opportunistic defense and Lee didn't throw INTs. I'm not so sure Mettenberger will be mistake free.
 
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Mettenberger more of a question mark than John L.

If Metternberger doesn't throw INTs then I will move LSU up. LSU was partly successful because Lee didn't throw INTs last year. New QB and no SEC experience concerns me with LSU.
 

Coach34

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You are looking at this with maroon and white glasses. Your O-line is a huge question mark and you have an immobile QB and lost your best back. I think you could have a good start but you haven't shown the ability to beat Auburn in quite some time. You must win that game to convince me you have a team that is capable of winning. Your comment is horrendous.

Auburn has supended their starting Center, a true Freshman starting at guard, and another projected starter was shot in the offseason. How do they not have as many or more questions than us?

We lost our best back in 2001, and then future pro Jerious Norwood and others took over. We lost Norwood in 2005- and future pro Anthony Dixon took over. We lost Dixon in 2009, then future pro Vick Ballard took over. Its been almost 20 years since State didnt have a future NFL RB on its roster

4 of the last 5 vs Auburn have seen us beat them, or the game has come down to the last possession. And none of those games matter this season. You're looking at this game thru your purple and gold glasses

We beat Fla on their field in 2010- and we were better than them last year. Their offense is horrendous and Tenn will beat them in Knoxville.

Missouri lost 3 or 4 starters on the OL and have had 3 more hurt this preseason. They wont be ready for SEC defenses every week.

Nothing horrendous about my comment- I'm sorry if actual facts bother you.
 
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Coach34

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If you know Coach34, you know you're not going to get anywhere using facts.

I think you have Arkansas too high. They lost their top three WRs and their defense has never been good. Otherwise, solid job.


I love facts- but seemingly facts dont apply to other teams- just State
 

missouridawg

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I live down in Texas and got to see Missouri play the Big 12 competition over the past few years. They were a good but not overwhelming team. It's hard to translate that into SEC language. I like the way he runs that team, and I'm just having a tough time putting a pulse on them.

I'm in Texas as well and have followed Mizzou my whole life. I hope they win the East, but I'm not sure they have the right pieces of the puzzle to do so. If their line comes together, they'll be in decent shape... but I just don't think it will.
 

Chesusdog

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It's like you don't even try anymore. The bottom five are about right, but Auburn at 6? Are you ******* kidding me? They have a spread option QB trying to run a pro-style offense, lost their leading rusher and their defense makes swiss cheese look like titanium. And Arkansas? They should take a step back this year losing Petrino and their top 3 receivers. Switch Arkansas and Georgia and State with Auburn.
 
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Chesus - every State fan seems to think they should get ..

Auburn's spot when MSU hasn't beaten Auburn in years. Auburn has just as much returning and just as much talent (more in my eyes) as the Dawgs. They have a much more consistent offense than MSU. State has been too one-dimensional on offense and I'm not convinced State's offensive line can protect Russell in passing situations especially against the d-lines of the SEC. No changes.

Arky is loaded with talent and if Petrino was the coach they may have been the consensus winner for the SEC (assuming the Honey Badger was not in the predictions). I think Arkansas has enough talent to survive and they have Knile Davis back who might be the best back in the SEC.
 

Coach34

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Auburn's spot when MSU hasn't beaten Auburn in years. Auburn has just as much returning and just as much talent (more in my eyes) as the Dawgs. They have a much more consistent offense than MSU. State has been too one-dimensional on offense and I'm not convinced State's offensive line can protect Russell in passing situations especially against the d-lines of the SEC. No changes.

Arky is loaded with talent and if Petrino was the coach they may have been the consensus winner for the SEC (assuming the Honey Badger was not in the predictions). I think Arkansas has enough talent to survive and they have Knile Davis back who might be the best back in the SEC.


yet Auburn lost their QB, their starting RB, and will be starting a true freshman on the OL and a back-up Center for at least 1 game...a very inexperienced QB in a new system- but Auburn wont have any problems protecting him huh? And defensively, we have had the better D, and will continue to do so.

aGAIN- you point these things out for State- but totally ignore them for Auburn
 

State82

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Not even that, unless he goes 5-6, AND, they find cancelled checks from him to Will Redmond. Then maybe.
 

Victory Red

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I assume you think Hamilton was a better receiver when Greg Childs was healthy. That pretty much fits my expectation for you.
 

karlchilders.sixpack

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Chesus - every State fan seems to think they should get ..
Auburn's spot when MSU hasn't beaten Auburn in years.

Take into consideration, that in 3 of the last 4 games with Auburn, we have lost by 3.67 points. Last year by 7, the All in year by 3... and yes the 3-2 by 1, but I don't think we go inside their 35 or so. The last two years, we were within one play of winning, or tying.

Otherwise, I have little problem with your preseason Cream Poll.

I do think Missouri, and TA&M are in for a bit of a shock.​
 

dawgoneyall

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Ark lost the most important member of their team. The worst motorcycle rider in the SEC was also the best sideline coach in the SEC. He ain't there now directing the offense.
 

Victory Red

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I havent said one word about UPig...I'm talking Auburn and Florida

MSU and AU have equal amounts of questions going into the season. I think the general consensus throughout the SEC and nationally is that Chizik has recruited better than Mullen and is also a better coach. If you can find a preseason poll or ranking that has Mississippi State ahead of Auburn then your point is well-made. You made these same points last preseason about AU, USCe, and going 6-6 and we all know how that turned out.
 

Coach34

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MSU and AU have equal amounts of questions going into the season. I think the general consensus throughout the SEC and nationally is that Chizik has recruited better than Mullen and is also a better coach. If you can find a preseason poll or ranking that has Mississippi State ahead of Auburn then your point is well-made. You made these same points last preseason about AU, USCe, and going 6-6 and we all know how that turned out.

Phil Steele picked us to finish 4th in the West ahead of Auburn...there is another also, cant remember who it was. And I dont know anybody that really believes Chizik is a better coach than Mullen. The Gus Bus has left the Plains- Chizik will be on that hot seat at season's end

As I've pointed out and any moron could see- we had crippling injuries on the OL to begin the season that totally changed things for us.
 

maroonmania

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Mark it down, Russell this year will be the best QB at State since at least Wayne Madkin in his hayday in the late 90s. And he is so much more of a true QB than Relf its not even funny it just took him some time to develop and mature (and what MS HS QB doesn't to start in the SEC -- see Jason Campbell). I wouldn't want Russell doing a lot of running this year anyway though I think he has gotten better at moving around in the pocket (something Relf totally couldn't do). If we have an issue with Russell this year it won't be with his immobility it will be his lack of durability. Now THAT could be a real problem as he always seems a little injury prone.
 

Shadow34

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Man I enjoyed it when you weren't around last year. These rankings are absolute dribble. And that's not from maroon and white glasses. It's from a guy with a brain. Love to have you leave this board big guy. Hate me some lsu.
 

patdog

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Move Arkansas to #5 and LSU, UGA & USC up 1 each. Move Mizzou & MSU to #6 and #7 and Auburn and Florida to #8 & #9. #13 & #14 is a tossup. They should both go 0-8. And congrats on the baby.
 
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