Help me understand this RPI rank

[NCFB73]

Rankings
How is NW #4 ( wins vs west cabarrus, Central Cabarrus, and South Rowan plus a loss to Ashebrook)
And
JMR is #13 (with wins against West cabarrus , AC Reynolds, and East Rowan plus a loss to Myers Park)

MP and AC are better than any of NWs games. Maybe Ashebrook but it’s close!

not trying to argue I genuinely don’t understand.

1. South Point (3-1) – RPI: 0.75333
2. East Lincoln (5-0) – RPI: 0.73533
3. Hunt (4-1) – RPI: 0.72450
4. Northwest Cabarrus (3-1) – RPI: 0.70250
5. Crest (3-1) – RPI: 0.69563
6. Northside-Jacksonville (3-1) – RPI: 0.66854
7. West Carteret (3-1) – RPI: 0.66604
8. West Henderson (3-1) – RPI: 0.66167
9. St. Pauls (5-0) – RPI: 0.65500
10. Southern Nash (4-1) – RPI: 0.65133
11. Rocky Mount (4-1) – RPI: 0.64600
12. Forest Hills (5-0) – RPI: 0.64433
13. Jay M. Robinson (3-1) – RPI: 0.64167
14. Hickory (4-1) – RPI: 0.63717
15. Carson (3-1) – RPI: 0.60646

 

[beamer24]

All rpi considers is winning percentages. It doesn't take into consideration good losses or bad losses its just based on simple math. Nothing subjective about.

 

[NCFB73]

All rpi considers is winning percentages. It doesn't take into consideration good losses or bad losses its just based on simple math. Nothing subjective about.

Ok so how do both teams have a 3-1 record. Seriously what am I missing?

JMR has blown out their wins while NW has won all 3 close.

 

[beamer24]

Rpi takes a teams winning percentage times .40 plus opponents winning percentage times .40 and opponents opponents winning percentage times .20. Add it all together that's your rpi

 

[DeBoer31]

Everyone in the state knows ACR isn't close to what they typically are this year. I still view it as a good win because of how strong the program is, but blowing someone out doesn't mean you are good especially if the team being blown out isn't real good.
Controlled football games appear to be what NWC is doing. They've played a really good team and lost and won the other 3 games vs. not so great teams but are still 'wins'. S. Rowan's JV non conf. schedule looks to be helping out NWC probably (they're 3-1 but played the little sisters of the poor in N-C).

Those top 5 in this RPI list have a murderer's row N-C schedule mostly.

 

[K84]

Rankings
How is NW #4 ( wins vs west cabarrus, Central Cabarrus, and South Rowan plus a loss to Ashebrook)
And
JMR is #13 (with wins against West cabarrus , AC Reynolds, and East Rowan plus a loss to Myers Park)

MP and AC are better than any of NWs games. Maybe Ashebrook but it’s close!

not trying to argue I genuinely don’t understand.

1. South Point (3-1) – RPI: 0.75333
2. East Lincoln (5-0) – RPI: 0.73533
3. Hunt (4-1) – RPI: 0.72450
4. Northwest Cabarrus (3-1) – RPI: 0.70250
5. Crest (3-1) – RPI: 0.69563
6. Northside-Jacksonville (3-1) – RPI: 0.66854
7. West Carteret (3-1) – RPI: 0.66604
8. West Henderson (3-1) – RPI: 0.66167
9. St. Pauls (5-0) – RPI: 0.65500
10. Southern Nash (4-1) – RPI: 0.65133
11. Rocky Mount (4-1) – RPI: 0.64600
12. Forest Hills (5-0) – RPI: 0.64433
13. Jay M. Robinson (3-1) – RPI: 0.64167
14. Hickory (4-1) – RPI: 0.63717
15. Carson (3-1) – RPI: 0.60646

I don’t understand it either.
Why could South Rowan have a RPI of 2 after week 3 with their schedule. they had played two academies and one was a first year football program and Trinity.

 

[NCFB73]

Everyone in the state knows ACR isn't close to what they typically are this year. I still view it as a good win because of how strong the program is, but blowing someone out doesn't mean you are good especially if the team being blown out isn't real good.
Controlled football games appear to be what NWC is doing. They've played a really good team and lost and won the other 3 games vs. not so great teams but are still 'wins'. S. Rowan's JV non conf. schedule looks to be helping out NWC probably (they're 3-1 but played the little sisters of the poor in N-C).

Those top 5 in this RPI list have a murderer's row N-C schedule mostly.

What you typed really makes sense to you????

 

[Firerescue3122]

Rankings
How is NW #4 ( wins vs west cabarrus, Central Cabarrus, and South Rowan plus a loss to Ashebrook)
And
JMR is #13 (with wins against West cabarrus , AC Reynolds, and East Rowan plus a loss to Myers Park)

MP and AC are better than any of NWs games. Maybe Ashebrook but it’s close!

not trying to argue I genuinely don’t understand.

1. South Point (3-1) – RPI: 0.75333
2. East Lincoln (5-0) – RPI: 0.73533
3. Hunt (4-1) – RPI: 0.72450
4. Northwest Cabarrus (3-1) – RPI: 0.70250
5. Crest (3-1) – RPI: 0.69563
6. Northside-Jacksonville (3-1) – RPI: 0.66854
7. West Carteret (3-1) – RPI: 0.66604
8. West Henderson (3-1) – RPI: 0.66167
9. St. Pauls (5-0) – RPI: 0.65500
10. Southern Nash (4-1) – RPI: 0.65133
11. Rocky Mount (4-1) – RPI: 0.64600
12. Forest Hills (5-0) – RPI: 0.64433
13. Jay M. Robinson (3-1) – RPI: 0.64167
14. Hickory (4-1) – RPI: 0.63717
15. Carson (3-1) – RPI: 0.60646

So I dug into this to try to explain it better. The RPI is just math and it's current this year math. What i mean by that is it doesn't take into account a schools history which is good because it is way more reactive to what the current "best" teams are. Think of it like the college football FCS teams vs the old BCS days. I'm the BCS days you could have a team in the championship that had a worse record than teams that were out. Alabama or Ohio st. loses a game and goes from #1 to #3 just because they are a "blue blood" program. Now for your question. JMR loses a lot because their opponents win percentage is .5625 versus NW's OWP is .75. which means NW's opponents are better this year than JMR's. If JMR had the same OWP then their RPI would be .71166 which would put them at #4 and drop NW to #5. Keep in mind this calculation is updated regularly so it can will change as the season goes on and more data is out.

 

[Deana_King]

It’s bound to happen with 8 classes but I’m waiting to see when a conference champion and is seeded lower than a team that they beat earlier in conference but that team has higher RPI.

Why have conferences if winning it is not worth something?

 

[NCFB73]

It’s bound to happen with 8 classes but I’m waiting to see when a conference champion and is seeded lower than a team that they beat earlier in conference but that team has higher RPI.

Why have conferences if winning it is not worth something?

8 classes is going to cause more issues than it helped. We needed 5 classes. First round playoff games are also not going to help much because it will be so lopsided you will not even help yourself get better. It’s just allowing schools that have no business making the playoffs say “we made the playoffs.”

 

[notanyonesfan1]

Rpi takes a teams winning percentage times .40 plus opponents winning percentage times .40 and opponents opponents winning percentage times .20. Add it all together that's your rpi

I didn't realize that you get the same amount of percentage points for your opponents wins as you do your own. Interesting

 

[Maiden Creek]

8 classes is going to cause more issues than it helped. We needed 5 classes. First round playoff games are also not going to help much because it will be so lopsided you will not even help yourself get better. It’s just allowing schools that have no business making the playoffs say “we made the playoffs.”

Top 8 get 1st round byes….so I would think the 1st round games will be more competitive versus those top 8 playing the bottom 8 in the 1st round.

 

[beamer24]

I didn't realize that you get the same amount of percentage points for your opponents wins as you do your own. Interesting

It used to be worse. Your opponents win percentage used to count more than yours.

 

[Deana_King]

I’d like 50, 40, 10. Atleast u have a say so in your playoff seeding. 40/40/20 allows your opponents to dictate basically your seed

 

[CHEERDUCK]

I’d like 50, 40, 10. Atleast u have a say so in your playoff seeding. 40/40/20 allows your opponents to dictate basically your seed

Not alot of common sense in the fomula, IMO!

 

[notanyonesfan1]

It used to be worse. Your opponents win percentage used to count more than yours.

That's insane

 

[Vik-Val 86]

I just like it was better back in the old days

 

[smazhmouth5]

I’d like 50, 40, 10. Atleast u have a say so in your playoff seeding. 40/40/20 allows your opponents to dictate basically your seed

 

[DeBoer31]

8 classes is going to cause more issues than it helped. We needed 5 classes. First round playoff games are also not going to help much because it will be so lopsided you will not even help yourself get better. It’s just allowing schools that have no business making the playoffs say “we made the playoffs.”

I would take 5 .... prefer 6 especially with the ever increasing population in NC.

 

[The Patriot]

We should have had three classes, which makes it easier to make conferences statewide, and then subdivide for all sports in the playoffs, so six state championships in every sport. On the old boards someone told me this was more or less proposed to the membership but voted down years ago.

 

[2claps]

It’s bound to happen with 8 classes but I’m waiting to see when a conference champion and is seeded lower than a team that they beat earlier in conference but that team has higher RPI.

Why have conferences if winning it is not worth something?

I 100% agree. I can't imagine being on the conference realignment committee and putting in enough time to come up with 3 different drafts, listening to appeals, then coming out with an additional draft that for some was completely different conferences and then the state says " Oh, by the way, conference finish doesn't matter". If the only thing that matters is RPI then just let schools schedule who they want to. If you want to play a tough schedule do it. If you want to play all cupcakes do it. If you want to play all local do it. Forced to play games and then say how you do in those games don't really matter! NCHSAA is one of the biggest farces around.

 

[2claps]

8 classes is going to cause more issues than it helped. We needed 5 classes. First round playoff games are also not going to help much because it will be so lopsided you will not even help yourself get better. It’s just allowing schools that have no business making the playoffs say “we made the playoffs.”

I disagree with you to a degree. First of all there are 8 classes where there has been 4 but the brackets are also 32 where they used to be 64. So in essence you have the same number of teams making the playoffs - actually there will be less in football as 1A will not have a full 32-team bracket. You could argue that 5 or 6 classifications would be better but that will still make our school per class larger than almost all states near here. And keep in mind you won't have a 1 v 32 now but a 1 v 16. Still not a great matchup most times but I'd say anyone below a 4 seed now better show up to play in the 1st round or risk getting upset.

 

[2claps]

Top 8 get 1st round byes….so I would think the 1st round games will be more competitive versus those top 8 playing the bottom 8 in the 1st round.

Top 8 get 1st round byes….so I would think the 1st round games will be more competitive versus those top 8 playing the bottom 8 in the 1st round.

Great point! I made a post earlier and totally forgot about the byes. Some coaches will love the bye and others will hate it but it will definitely make the first week of playoffs more exciting.

 

[2claps]

We should have had three classes, which makes it easier to make conferences statewide, and then subdivide for all sports in the playoffs, so six state championships in every sport. On the old boards someone told me this was more or less proposed to the membership but voted down years ago.

We should have had three classes, which makes it easier to make conferences statewide, and then subdivide for all sports in the playoffs, so six state championships in every sport. On the old boards someone told me this was more or less proposed to the membership but voted down years ago.

I agree this would be the best system. Conferences would be more local which would help gates and rivalries but playoffs could be grouped much better by school size. Too much common sense for NCHSAA to go this route.