Even though Wisconsin lost to both Michigan and Ohio State, you still they are the best team in the Big 10.
Not sure what you're basing that stance on, but you couldn't be more wrong.
Herbstreit new top 4 after OSU win. Agree?
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Even though Wisconsin lost to both Michigan and Ohio State, you still they are the best team in the Big 10.
Not sure what you're basing that stance on, but you couldn't be more wrong.
That I agree with to much love going to Washington at this time. UK fans want to calll FSU mediocore but give Washington Credit for beating a Stanford team that isn't even ranked. Bama should knock A&M out of the picture this week and then A&M still has Ole Miss and then LSU on the road. USC is improving but they have to play at Washington but I could see an upset there. In the Big 12 I can see Oklahoma running the table.
If FSU can find an offense in the next couple of weeks they could take down Clemson at home. that would move FSU back into the Top 10 and Houston should be back in the Top 10 when UofL plays them. If UH is Top 10 and UofL beats them on the road that will improve UofL's stock. However as of right now the Big 10 has the best chance of getting two teams in the playoffs.
And Bama barely beat Ole Miss. Comparing Team A to Team B because of how each played Team C does little good. Some match-ups are just bad.
This Baylor team:
Fri, Sep 2 vs Northwestern State W 7 - 55
Sat, Sep 10 vs SMU W 13 - 40
Fri, Sep 16 @ Rice W 38 - 10
Sat, Sep 24 vs Oklahoma State W 24 - 35
Sat, Oct 1 @ Iowa State W 45 - 42
Sat, Oct 15 vs Kansas W 7 - 49
That is some powerhouse playing there.
I know a lot of folks do not want to hear it, but if all the top teams played each other, the champion would come from a very select pool. There are only 7 teams that I would even consider for the playoffs. Washington would not be one of those 7.
I'm counting having to play the #6 team in the country this week as "serious work." Guessing Alabama takes care of the Aggies ... but if they don't, they're on the outside looking in.
I do find it humorous that the only time a team is good is when it supports someone's opinion. And the team is bad. average, mediocre when a team winning does not support a point trying to be made.
Understood. i'm only saying if baylor runs the table and one or two of the top five stumbles, then they would have to be considered.
If the top four hold steady, even if osu or mich lose their head to head in a close one, then baylor is a moot point.
It's not inconceivable that Baylor vs. West Virginia on December 3 could be a Top 10 (Top 5?) match-up between undefeated teams. Not likely (Big 12 schedule very backloaded), but it's possible ... and in that scenario the winner gets in over any one-loss conference champion.
Michigan beat Wisky 14-7 at home. I wouldn't call that blasting them. They also struggled against Colorado for a half.
I just believe that if you take a real look at the best teams at the moment, and forget current ratings, the order should be:
Bama
Ohio State
Clemson
Michigan
Texas A&M
Louisville
Wisconsin (even with 2 losses, each by a touchdown to my #2 and #4 team) is better than any other possible team.
Colorado is a good team that UM blasted in the second half.
Wisky is one of the best teams in the country and UM dominated that game statistically but missed 3 FGs. The Badgers had around 450 yards of offense against OSU, but had about 160 against UM's defense. The Wolverines are very good. The B1G is sitting well for getting two teams in. Wisky helps both UM and OSU, especially if it keeps winning. An undefeated Nebraska also gives the B1G credibility. A one loss UM or OSU, if the other goes undefeated, will have a very strong argument.
The Huskers play both Wisky and OSU. If UM beats OSU and OSU beats Nebraska and then Nebraska loses to UM in the Big Ten championship, that will look very good for OSU and UM.
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There are no guarantees, but that OOC schedule of Parie View, UTSA and New Mex. St. alone with a 4 loss UCLA isn't much stronger that UCF and Hawaii. A&M is squeaking by, the only chance they have of getting to the playoffs is going undefeated and winning the SEC. IF a Big12 champion is undefeated and the Big12 gets left out again it could spell the end of the Big 12 and its teams get grabbed up by the other 4. All 5 P5 conferences still have a chance to have an undfeated champion so that is a real possibility. OU wins the Big12 and Big 12 has no gripes. Right now, there are 3 conferences who could have a non division winner finish 11-1, A&M probably has the toughest road because I think they are the weakest of the 3. If Louisville is to get in Michigan or tOSU has to have that 2nd loss, f that's the only loss either has I think they get in over other 1 loss non division winners. Wisconsin is a better win than A&M or Louisville have, Houston losing really hurt Louisville's chances pretty bad. Plus Harbaugh is better entertainment than Bobby.
Not buying it. Nebraska is about as overrated as Ole Miss. Beaten no one of any measurable content. Pollsters really need to take a better look at WHO someone plays and beats rather than the glaring number of losses.
Sat, Sep 3 vs Fresno State W 10 - 43
Sat, Sep 10 vs Wyoming W 17 - 52
Sat, Sep 17 vs Oregon W 32 - 35
Sat, Sep 24 @ Northwestern W 24 - 13
Sat, Oct 1 vs Illinois W 16 - 31
Sat, Oct 15 @ Indiana W 27 - 22
Best team they have played in Indiana.
Not buying what? That Nebraska gives OSU and UM good wins in addition to Wisky?
Good points, but I do not think TAMU is the weakest. Washington by far is the least credible team in the playoff hunt.Ohio State can withstand a loss to Michigan and still get in the playoffs.
Teams that cannot afford to lose or another loss (Clemson, Washington, TAMU, Louisville). I think if any of those teams lose, they are on the outside looking in and need a lot of help.
Bama can lose to TAMU and be safe, they may be the only team that can suffer 2 losses and be safe. Michigan can survive a loss to OSU if it is close.
An undefeated Nebraska gives the B1G credibility. There are cream puff teams that are getting media press when they have beaten no one. Some of these teams have not beaten a ranked opponent (Nebraska, Washington come to mind) and they are being touted as playoff hopefuls.
The team not receiving the accolades is TAMU, and I am not a fan, but can see the quality they have. I would put Wisconsin in before Nebraska or Washington.
They are currently ranked 8th. I get your point, but the voters have them at 8. Assuming they lose to the Badgers, they will still be top 20 when OSU plays them. It is a lot better to beat a top 15-20 team at year's end than beat a ranked team early and then watch them fall from the polls with subsequent losses.
No offense, but I don't think the ACC atlantic has done enough to merit being in the same discussion as the SEC West or even the BIG east. That division still contains Syracuse, Wake, NC State, and BC. That is 3.5 really bad football teams. UL has only one big win and that win is shaky with FSU looking worse than usual. Clemson is a shell of itself from last year. FSU beat a good Ole Miss team, but again, they are really disappointed with their season so far.
I think a more likely outcome is the ACC getting zero teams in (if FSU beats Clemson or if Clemson beats FSU but loses to VT or MIA or UNC in the title game) than getting 2 teams in.
I love when outsiders come in and declare someone else's opinion as "WRONG" when A) it's an opinion and b ) their argument is weak to begin with.
To me the Big Ten East is pretty much the same as the ACC Atlantic with the eye test...Sagarin says it not even close...also, the 43 point win over #13 FSU I still take it.
Louisville, Clemson and Florida State...All 3 Consensus Top 15 with 2 in the Top 7
Ohio State, Michigan are the only two ranked
Penn State 4-2, Maryland 4-2, Indiana 3-3, Michigan State 2-4 and Rutgers 2-5
Wake Forest 5-2, NC State 4-2, Syracuse 3-4 and BC 3-3
Also Sagarin has the ACC Atlantic the #2 Group overall...only the SEC West is stronger and with 6 games in more than enough data....according to Sagarin the Big Ten East is also behind the ACC Coastal as far as strength
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2016/conference/
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The SEC West and the ACC Atlantic are pretty even. The big difference is Bama is so far and away better than Clemson.
Miss St is horrible (we are even going into the game thinking it is ours).
Ole Miss is perhaps the most overrated team in college football. They have beaten Wofford, Georgia (another team we are gaining confidence in beating), and Memphis.:zzz:
Arkansas has beaten no-one of measure. See ole Miss above which is their best win . :fries:
LSU played Wisconsin tough, but other than that
opcorn: LSU fired its coach for under-performing.Auburn has only beaten LSU.[thumb2]
FSU has beaten Ole Miss.:cookie:
Wake Forest's best win is Indiana, which did play OSU tough if that matters. Not really, but it will to someone.:scream:
NC State lost to ECU :chairshot: Otherwise the game against Clemson would have been a much bigger deal.
Whether you like it or not Louisville crushed FSU. [poop] And played Clemson tough.
Haven't watched an y of the others enough to know about them.
Alabama beats Clemson
Louisville beats Texas A&M
FSU beats Auburn
LSU beats Wake Forest
NC State beats Arkansas
Ole Miss beats Syracuse
Boston College invites Miss St to play a game but neither find the stadium and the fans are happier not having to sit through horrible football.
Outside of Michigan and Ohio State, the B1G East is not impressive. Maryland, Mich St and Rutgers do not strike fear in Kentucky. Indiana has already been beaten by WF at IU.
FSU will play Clemson next. If they lose that game, they will be 5-3 and 2-3 in the ACC and most likely fall out outside the top twenty. If you don't think that is mediocre with a losing record in their conference I don't know what to say. If they beat Clemson, it is apparent they have turned their season around to some extent. As of now they are a .500 team in the conference. Not a typical FSU team. Once again, UL has a win against an atypical FSU team and the rest are a pile of rubbish. Houston isn't a top top team anymore and the rest of the schedule is average-at best. UL doesn't play a tough schedule and lost to the one top team they played. I suggest you take off your UL blinders and accept the facts. UL will not be a playoff team nor do they deserve to be one. Bama plays a meat grinding schedule and if UL played it, there would be 3 or 4 losses minimum. It would be a mockery if UL was in the playoffs.
Trying to figure out where your logic goes. Any team outside the top 20 with a losing conference record is mediocre.
Bama while I think they are the best team in the country, has yet to play a stellar schedule. They beat a Tennessee team that has struggled and should have lost to App St. And barely beat Georgia a team many are saying are very mediocre and is below .500 in the SEC. Other than that,
I would put Wisconsin up against anyone and expect a very tough game.By the way they are under .500 in their conference too.
Except Ole Miss and Arkansas have losing records in the conference. So by your terms, those 2 teams are mediocre. Arkansas has lost to the only good teams it has faced. And ole Miss has beaten no one (Wofford Georgia, Memphis).
Louisville plays a pretty tough schedule IMO (to date, the computers have it as tougher than Ohio State's, Michigan's or Washington's). It's not the SEC West, but nobody's the SEC West. When you look at a ranking like the S&P+ that is opponent-adjusted to account for SOS, they've got Louisville at #5.
That said, it's incredibly unlikely they make the playoff.
That said, it's incredibly unlikely they make the playoff.
How a 2 loss FSU is ranked in the top 15 with a crushing loss to UL and a loss to UNC is beyond me. How UNC with 2 losses is ranked top 20 is also beyond me. The Heels lost by 31 to VTech and lost to the same UGA team that just lost to Vandy.
I'm not quite sure where you get your information but Bama has not played Georgia nor do they play Georgia. And a .500 record in the SEC is not the same as a .500 record in the ACC. And you completely miss the point. All the teams you mentioned in the SEC are not going for a playoff spot except Bama.Trying to figure out where your logic goes. Any team outside the top 20 with a losing conference record is mediocre.
Bama while I think they are the best team in the country, has yet to play a stellar schedule. They beat a Tennessee team that has struggled and should have lost to App St. And barely beat Georgia a team many are saying are very mediocre and is below .500 in the SEC. Other than that,
I would put Wisconsin up against anyone and expect a very tough game.By the way they are under .500 in their conference too.
Except Ole Miss and Arkansas have losing records in the conference. So by your terms, those 2 teams are mediocre. Arkansas has lost to the only good teams it has faced. And ole Miss has beaten no one (Wofford Georgia, Memphis).
I don't know what computer it is but I can only laugh at it being the #5 schedule. They played and lost to Clemson and beat FSU. That's it. The rest of the schedule lacks. And FSU will probably be 5-3 and out of the top 20 in two weeks. The only other team of note is Houston. I don't see it.
To me it shows the parity...outside of Bama & tOSU you have a group of 8 schools that are interchangeable-(Clemson, Washington, Louisville, Texas A&M, Michigan, Baylor, WVU and Wisconsin)...after that it a crap shoot from 11-25.
Not #5 schedule ... schedule wise they're probably in the 30's or 40's. They're #5 in the S&P+, which adjusts for schedule.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa
Ok. I'm sorry I misunderstood your post. I assume that computer takes in margin of victory. UL trounced FSU and deserves credit for it but the rest is simply inflated numbers against the weak teams they have beaten.
And OSU blasted Wisky in the second half. Don't underestimate the difficulty of playing in Camp Randall at night with Wisconsin coming off a bye. Wisconsin played at The big house with a freshman starter in his third game. Just sayin
The SEC West and the ACC Atlantic are pretty even. The big difference is Bama is so far and away better than Clemson.
Miss St is horrible (we are even going into the game thinking it is ours).
Ole Miss is perhaps the most overrated team in college football. They have beaten Wofford, Georgia (another team we are gaining confidence in beating), and Memphis.:zzz:
Arkansas has beaten no-one of measure. See ole Miss above which is their best win . :fries:
LSU played Wisconsin tough, but other than that
Auburn has only beaten LSU.[thumb2]
FSU has beaten Ole Miss.:cookie:
Wake Forest's best win is Indiana, which did play OSU tough if that matters. Not really, but it will to someone.:scream:
NC State lost to ECU :chairshot: Otherwise the game against Clemson would have been a much bigger deal.
Whether you like it or not Louisville crushed FSU. [poop] And played Clemson tough.
Haven't watched an y of the others enough to know about them.
Alabama beats Clemson
Louisville beats Texas A&M
FSU beats Auburn
LSU beats Wake Forest
NC State beats Arkansas
Ole Miss beats Syracuse
Boston College invites Miss St to play a game but neither find the stadium and the fans are happier not having to sit through horrible football.
Outside of Michigan and Ohio State, the B1G East is not impressive. Maryland, Mich St and Rutgers do not strike fear in Kentucky. Indiana has already been beaten by WF at IU.
I completely disagree. Would the ACC Atlantic top 3 win a head-to-head against the SEC West? Possibly, though I doubt it. The SEC West top 3 is looking like Bama, A&M, and LSU (or possibly Arkansas). Bama would beat Clemson. UL could possibly beat A&M or LSU, but not sure. I like either A&M or LSU over FSU.
But, after the top 3, it's a landslide. I'll take Ole Miss over Wake 10 times out of 10. I'll take Auburn over NC State every time (Auburn gave Clemson a very good game and arguably should have won). I'll take I like Arkansas over Syracuse every time. And I'll take Miss state over BC.
SO, no, there is not just one difference between the two divisions (Alabama). The differences are far and wide.
Trying to figure out where your logic goes. Any team outside the top 20 with a losing conference record is mediocre.
Bama while I think they are the best team in the country, has yet to play a stellar schedule. They beat a Tennessee team that has struggled and should have lost to App St. And barely beat Georgia a team many are saying are very mediocre and is below .500 in the SEC. Other than that,
I would put Wisconsin up against anyone and expect a very tough game.By the way they are under .500 in their conference too.
Except Ole Miss and Arkansas have losing records in the conference. So by your terms, those 2 teams are mediocre. Arkansas has lost to the only good teams it has faced. And ole Miss has beaten no one (Wofford Georgia, Memphis).
The UT team that struggled also demolished one of the ACC's shining stars, Va. Tech.
Bama has played an excellent schedule. They murdered USC, who is probably going to win the Pac 12 south. They murdered UT (who has played the toughest schedule among all contenders). They beat a good arkansas team on the road (same arkansas team that beat TCU in ft. worth).
Bama tough schedule is about to get tougher with Auburn, LSU, and A&M all coming up plus SEC title game.
Watching OSU play the Badgers, I think UM might be as good as the Bucknuts. Both defenses are really good. I think OSU might have less experienced athletes on that side of the ball. That could be the difference.
I think FSU is over-rated. That team could get better as Francois gets experience, but I do not think they are a top 15 team.
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