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Judge Kathleen Kennedy, who will hear Fenwick's argument this morning, is retiring exactly one week from today.

Hey, Judge, you know what they say about boxing, right? What you do in the first 150 seconds of of a round matters not relative to what you do in the final 30 seconds.
 

godfthr53

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This is how I imagine it.

 

BallHog85

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In this thread, people who have watched Suits and base their idea of the entire legal profession on it.
 

pancakechamp51

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Court favors with the IHSA. Plainfield North will play East St. Louis on Saturday for the 7A State Championship.
 

bigkell

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Fenwick, being a Catholic institution, should have unleashed the "secret weapon".... Fr. Mike P.....the media frenzy would swamp The Donald !
 

UlbKA91

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Fenwick, being a Catholic institution, should have unleashed the "secret weapon".... Fr. Mike P.....the media frenzy would swamp The Donald !
Did they have enough West Side and Proviso Twp On the roster to be meet his criteria? P N might have the same if not more flava.
 

CCHS-Fan

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No I think then the refs give the game to PN due to forfeit.
Nothing to forfeit. Game was over at that point. Walk off the yardage, set the ball, ball goes over on downs to PN.
A contest void of an opposing team can snap the ball and score a TD if they want, but it wouldn't have mattered. That ensuing play wouldn't have counted - be it a FG or TD - since the enforcement of the rule was applied incorrectly and Fenwick could have stood firm on not going back on the field as protest.

All in the past now.
 
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ignazio

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Ultimately it gets back to the referee.

Here's a thought: if you don't know the rule -- don't throw the flag -- especially when the state semi-final is on the line.
 

pjjp

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Ultimately it gets back to the referee.

Here's a thought: if you don't know the rule -- don't throw the flag -- especially when the state semi-final is on the line.
I finally saw the game replay tonight. I thought the same thing. I guess...technically....it was intentional grounding. Given the situation, I'm not sure I would have thrown the flag. You never want to decide the game as an official, if you don't have to. In this case, throwing the flag in the first place was questionable, IMO.
 

PRokie

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I finally saw the game replay tonight. I thought the same thing. I guess...technically....it was intentional grounding. Given the situation, I'm not sure I would have thrown the flag. You never want to decide the game as an official, if you don't have to. In this case, throwing the flag in the first place was questionable, IMO.
This ship has sailed fella's

There are plenty of other dead horses for you to beat.
 
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ref2

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I finally saw the game replay tonight. I thought the same thing. I guess...technically....it was intentional grounding. Given the situation, I'm not sure I would have thrown the flag. You never want to decide the game as an official, if you don't have to. In this case, throwing the flag in the first place was questionable, IMO.


You are correct that officials don't want to decide the game. The problem with passing on throwing a flag or not IS deciding the outcome of a game. If you have a penalty on the first play of the game it is still a penalty on the last. You call the game the same from beginning to the end.
 

Cross Bones

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You are correct that officials don't want to decide the game. The problem with passing on throwing a flag or not IS deciding the outcome of a game. If you have a penalty on the first play of the game it is still a penalty on the last. You call the game the same from beginning to the end.
Exactly, ref, which is something I think a lot of people aren't understanding. The call in the middle of the game affects the game just as much as the one at the end.
 

pjjp

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You are correct that officials don't want to decide the game. The problem with passing on throwing a flag or not IS deciding the outcome of a game. If you have a penalty on the first play of the game it is still a penalty on the last. You call the game the same from beginning to the end.
I think HS rules and refs could use an injection of common sense, though. For example, I know whether or not a ball is catchable does not impact whether or not pass interference is called on the HS level. However, IMO, a good ref exercises a bit of common sense when calling PI. If the ball is not even in the vicinity of the receiver, PI should not be called. I see a lot of HS refs not exercise common sense in their calls. I also see too many that I would label as overzealous in their calling of a game. They seem to want to become too big a part of the action. The best refs are not noticed at any level of sports. JMO.
 

pjjp

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You are correct that officials don't want to decide the game. The problem with passing on throwing a flag or not IS deciding the outcome of a game. If you have a penalty on the first play of the game it is still a penalty on the last. You call the game the same from beginning to the end.
One other thought I had on this. It involves a different arena....basketball. I was at a regional final game in the 90's or early 2000's. JCA was playing Lockport. JCA was down one with seconds to go. A JCA player heaved a shot from 3-quarter court (approximately 60 or 70 feet from the hoop). A Lockport player jumped up and caught the ball in front of the rim as time expired. The officials, believe it or not, called goal-tending on the play and gave the basket to JCA. Was this "technically" the right call? Maybe....maybe not. However, it was an absolutely horrific call to make in that situation. You just don't make a call like that on a shot of that length to determine the outcome of a game. To this day, I still can't believe that official made that call. And I still say it was an absolutely horrible call, even though the team I follow was the beneficiary of it. That, IMO, was a call made by an overzealous official. And the timing of it contributed to the horrific nature of the call.
 
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bigkell

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God help us if the same happens to PN in the championship game ... Have Rauner's phone number handy !!