Here is the ONLY way Stoops leaves!
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We averages 10 wins a season...LSU is SEC championship or bust. Miles would win 8-9 games in the East easily.
How does this make any sense?
BOT cannot override a contract.
What BOT hamstrings their own program?
What coach would ever consider a school that did this?
Good question. Another one is why would Stoops have any interested in negotiating a lesser buyout? Answer: He wouldn't.
Yeah, but he won those games at LSU. You do understand there is a difference, right?
I would not be surprised that if he isn't retained at LSU that he takes some time off. He will have two kids on P5 rosters next season and he might want to follow them.
I see no real options for UK in any of those scenarios.
To begin with, there will be no "negotiated settlement" on Stoop's buyout. It will be whatever the contract says it will be. And let's not forget those assistants who have 1, 2 and I believe Gran has a 3 year deal. I recall reading of an $18M total staff buyout cost after this season.
Secondly, while paying Stoops and Co. several millions per year over the next few years, you also have to pay the new coach and his staff. I'm not even going to guess where that goes.
Third, IMO, far and away the best "choice" of the 3 you mention is Brohm. He has demonstrated more success at WKU than Neal at Troy and runs a high octane passing game. If LSU dumps Les Miles it could likely be the same as when they dumped ole Chollie Mac because he could not duplicate Dietzel's 1959 championship year. All Chollie could do is average about 9 wins/year during the era of 10 and 11 game schedules but that was not good enough for Tiger fans. In his 12 years at LSU Miles has won 78% of his games overall, 70% of his SEC games and 1 NC with terrific defense (especially DLs and DBs) and his 1980s, 2 back I formation offense. LSU would be stupid to let him go and I don't know how he could win at UK with that style of play.
The underlined sentences of your post are examples of why you should not post late at night! [laughing]
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Wildcard, I agree with a lot of your post. I like Brohm and he was my first flinch choice as well. But as you have read I started looking deeper at Neal and I am really sold on him. As to Brohm doing better at Western - well I would question that. Yes he is winning and doing a good job. But he followed a loaded roster left by not Petrino - but by Taggart. (Western's 2 deep roster - 44 players - only has two of his recruits playing and they are both on the second string). You see, I think Neal would easily win 8 games with this team this year and will not be surprised if he wins more. Brohm has been using players that were not his recruits. He will probably be gone before his recruits become the main group for Western. They may be great - but it actually does remain to be seen. This is Brohm's third team - so only players that are sophs and freshmen are his recruits and as I said only two of those are on the 2 deep.
Brown stepped in to a program that was way down. Yes he only won 4 games last year - but his team came on at the end of the year - and he lost 4 conference games by a total of 22 points. Look how UK has finished last year and the year before. When you look more closely at Neal's last year here- we didn't not go to a bowl because of him - it was because of the defense. If you watch his players they are fired up and seem like they would to thru a wall for Neal! I know you can't say that about Stoops at this point. Now look at Neal's team this year - they took Clemson - a top 5 team - at home to within a touchdown. Western got stomped by Alabama! So, I don't think you can judge Brohm is better than Brown based on those games. The good thing is we will have a much better picture of both coaches and teams at end of this year. If Troy does as I expect - then I don't think any non big named coach should be taken over Brown - that includes PJ Fleck too!
Go Big Blue!
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but Les has the talent level of an Alabama too at LSU - here well....LOL he could not win anywhere near his level at LSU
I will bring Briles up cause he SHOULD get the call!! PERIOD!!
Les Miles would have other SEC options if he wants to stay in the south. You have to realistically look at where we are in the pecking order. For an up and coming coach that has star potential written all over him, and that would be the type of coach we want, Brohm, you have to have something to offer him.
Brohm would have a buyout similar to Stoops if not more and it would be just as one-sided. You had better be certain of the hire.
Stretching Stoops over 4 or 5 years and paying a current coach, who may or may not be the answer is expensive.
The best move by the administration is to make the coaching seat so heavy, Stoops leaves on his own or asks for a buyout which can be negotiated.
With LSU's talent and draw, those wins are easy to understand. Put UK on the front and the talent does not come here.
Well, Miles would definitely get better recruits then Stoops could. And plays in the east. Think about it
You don't think a guy with a national championship and multiple SEC championships couldn't recruit those type of players with our fanbase and facilities now? Come on now we don't have those excuses anymore. A top coach has all the tools here to win.
I don't think so.
Take a look at the LSU roster. 90% are from Louisiana/Mississippi/Texas, throw in a few from Florida.
The farthest north recruits?
1 from Tennessee and 2 from North Carolina.
Les isn't coming north and the Texas coaches everyone is wishing for most likely are not leaving that hotbed either.
Les ain't bringing in that kind of talent to U.K. If he can't compete with top talent at LSU, he will get drilled at U.K.
Nova, this is a basketball school. It's how we are viewed. It plays a role in a recruits decision. Hence the reason we get top talent in basketball and Bama doesn't. We will need to win and compete at a very high level for a while to land that kind of talent. The "football" schools already have the facilities too.
Before Tom Hermann went to Houston, many would have said no to him, as well. Now, UK could not land Hermann. UK may not be able to land Brohm. Waiting for Neal to be ready, may be waiting too long. Lincoln Riley has not been an HC, UK may have no chance with him.
Buyout for Stoops and staff is $18 million. He goes nowhere until after his 5th year. Barnhart will see to that.
He doesn't want the headache of a search.
My question is where do non-renews of season tickets approach $18 million. The math may make it more palatable to be considered. Fans would have to voice early though.
He doesn't want the headache of a search.
My question is where do non-renews of season tickets approach $18 million. The math may make it more palatable to be considered. Fans would have to voice early though.
This is Kentucky Football folks...
At the end of the season we will win enough games so we have the current staff. May or may not go to a bowl, but enough wins.
Nothing changes here.
Auburn cans their coach and throws more money than Jurich wants to spend and hires Petrino.
He is the only coach out there who can make them nearly instantly competitive with Saban who is willing to move.
Plus they went after him earlier when they in fact had coach at the time. They are willing to pay whatever it takes to be competitive again.
Jurich hires Brohm (for a lot less than it would take to keep Petrino) and the abuse by UL continues.
We whiff all the way around.
That's Kentucky Football!
Hope I'm wrong but I'm getting ready for it.
At the end of the season we will win enough games so we have the current staff. May or may not go to a bowl, but enough wins.
Nothing changes here.
Auburn cans their coach and throws more money than Jurich wants to spend and hires Petrino.
He is the only coach out there who can make them nearly instantly competitive with Saban who is willing to move.
Plus they went after him earlier when they in fact had coach at the time. They are willing to pay whatever it takes to be competitive again.
Jurich hires Brohm (for a lot less than it would take to keep Petrino) and the abuse by UL continues.
We whiff all the way around.
That's Kentucky Football!
Hope I'm wrong but I'm getting ready for it.
Year in and year out , the only team in the SEC with more talent than LSU is Alabama , and it's close . Bill Curry revisited .
Yes, sir. I think he is a VERY viable option and someone we will look at once stoops is canned at the end of the year. Phillip John Fleck. THE MAN.
I wish we would hire hire Brooks as our AD !
Fleck now has 3 years of head coaching experience(4th this year) and has take an team that was 1-11 to winning a bowl game in his third year. I like Brown, just like Fleck better and think he has more experience and is thought to be a future star in the coaching profession.
Fleck now has 3 years of head coaching experience(4th this year) and has take an team that was 1-11 to winning a bowl game in his third year. I like Brown, just like Fleck better and think he has more experience and is thought to be a future star in the coaching profession.
Fleck now has 3 years of head coaching experience(4th this year) and has take an team that was 1-11 to winning a bowl game in his third year. I like Brown, just like Fleck better and think he has more experience and is thought to be a future star in the coaching profession.
Something about this sounds like the Auburn-Tubberville-Petrino situation during UL round 1. Hope we don't drop to that level.
Sounds like if we get rid of Stoops there may not be anyone to place him,
I think that an AD at UK has to be in front of the curve when it comes to picking a football coach.
I'd be OK with Les Miles if he gets canned from LSU and is interested in the job. Only problem is that he is 62 years old and we need a coach that can come in and build a successful program over 10+ years, so I think it is important to get 1.) a coach in his early to mid fifties at the latest, 2.) wants to be at UK and won't have interest in moving on to greener pastures, 3.) has a history of succeeding at schools in big conferences who are considered mid to lower tier programs, and 4.) has a history with the program already and has seen some success during that time. When you weigh all of those points, the only name that hops out to me is Mike Leach.
He's coached here before and loves the bluegrass and would be here to stay should he be hired. He succeeded at TTU and has had a decent run at abysmal Washington State despite both programs being bottom of the barrel in the Big 12 or Pac 12 respectfully and both being tough to recruit at. He just turned 55 which would give him 10+ years at the helm here at UK, and best of all he created the air raid offense with Hal Mumme. I really don't know why names like Art Briles, Jim Tressel, Les Miles, etc. are being thrown around when they struggled at times with the best players at the best schools while Leach has been able to stand toe-to-toe with the USC's, Texas's, Oklahoma's, Miami U's, Alabama's, and Stanford's of the world and do it with 4th and 5th tier players. THIS IS THE GUY WE NEED AT UK!!!!
He's coached here before and loves the bluegrass and would be here to stay should he be hired. He succeeded at TTU and has had a decent run at abysmal Washington State despite both programs being bottom of the barrel in the Big 12 or Pac 12 respectfully and both being tough to recruit at. He just turned 55 which would give him 10+ years at the helm here at UK, and best of all he created the air raid offense with Hal Mumme. I really don't know why names like Art Briles, Jim Tressel, Les Miles, etc. are being thrown around when they struggled at times with the best players at the best schools while Leach has been able to stand toe-to-toe with the USC's, Texas's, Oklahoma's, Miami U's, Alabama's, and Stanford's of the world and do it with 4th and 5th tier players. THIS IS THE GUY WE NEED AT UK!!!!