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As far as I'm concerned, Mullen's our coach and he's going to stay our coach. At some point, he will probably leave for a bigger job. If/when that happens, we'll hire another good coach to replace him. But until then, I'm not going to get too concerned about it.
He might want to play earlier than what he might be with the potential we see in Prescott being a long term starter, but I would think he would be given a spot if he wanted one.
Dan needs to at least call him and see if he might still be interested. I know you're all over the Prescott bandwagon, but to just say if we have to play our #3 QB our season is going to suck anyway is ridiculous. For one thing, Prescott may turn out to suck. I don't think he will, but we've all seen plenty of examples of players who looked like worldbeaters in HS and never did anything in college. But more importantly, if we have to play our #3 QB, we'd be a hell of a lot better off playing one who's got a chance to be decent than playing a walkon. I agree, don't sign a QB that should be a walkon. But if Mullen isn't trying to land a decent late QB recruit, he's making a huge mistake.</p>
Voytik obviously would be a solid recruit and worth signing- but anything short of getting a really good QB prospect- we're not going to sign one. It would be stupid to pass on a 4-star level player just to say we signed a QB.<div>
</div><div>As far as Prescott- I've watched us win games with Ralph at QB the last 2+ seasons- we will get that level of play out of him at a minimum....I've watched him play in person, so I'm not basing it off hearsay</div>
</div><div>As far as Prescott- I've watched us win games with Ralph at QB the last 2+ seasons- we will get that level of play out of him at a minimum....I've watched him play in person, so I'm not basing it off hearsay</div>
I keep hearing everyone talk about how solid he will be, etc, but haven't heard what is so impressive about him. This may have been talked about in previous threads, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the guy.
Prescott already looked better and more composed than Russell. Aside from his running and throwing ability, the guy is apparently brimming with confidence and a born leader. Those hoping to see an end to the QB shuffle next year are going to be disappointed. I think we are still dealing with some random WTF throws from Prescott and still learning the playbook, but on talent and makeup alone he is someone to get really excited about. <div>
</div><div>That said, Russell is still a very good QB. With some more improvement over the summer he could really be special...I am just afraid that Mullen feels so uncomfortable with a pro-style QB that it just won't ever work completely. I never wanted to believe that, but after seeing us trot Favre or Relf out there this year when Russell was red hot on a drive, I just dont think he wants to do it. I really believe if Russell were to transfer to play under Sumlin, Gundy or any of the other air-raid guys he would light the world on fire. I plan to completely dissect this in the offseason when we have nothing else to talk about.</div>
</div><div>That said, Russell is still a very good QB. With some more improvement over the summer he could really be special...I am just afraid that Mullen feels so uncomfortable with a pro-style QB that it just won't ever work completely. I never wanted to believe that, but after seeing us trot Favre or Relf out there this year when Russell was red hot on a drive, I just dont think he wants to do it. I really believe if Russell were to transfer to play under Sumlin, Gundy or any of the other air-raid guys he would light the world on fire. I plan to completely dissect this in the offseason when we have nothing else to talk about.</div>
You seem to be saying if a 4-star falls into our lap we'd take him. I'm saying Dan needs to be busting his *** to sign a decent QB. Going into next season with only 2 legitimate QBs is way too big of a risk. I know you've seen Presott play, but that still doesn't change the fact that there's still a chance that any recruit might just never be able to make the transition to the next level. Like I said, I don't think that's going to be the case, but it definitely could be.
but if it did, I'd be curious to know, who would be on your personal list?
I know I always say that every AD should always have a working list of top candidates that they adjust year to year. I'm assuming a lot of fans do the same. You're MSU's AD. Who is on your in case of emergency short list right now?
I know I always say that every AD should always have a working list of top candidates that they adjust year to year. I'm assuming a lot of fans do the same. You're MSU's AD. Who is on your in case of emergency short list right now?
I think Coach and I agree that if Liggins, Alford or Voytik want to come, we take them. But if it is down to Richie Brown or some project QB, we take Brown. We don't take a marginal QB this year just for depth. ESPECIALLY in this offense. Mullen's scheme is built to prop up a guy that can run it better than he can throw it. I would bet that if he signed some middle of the road QB this year, and Russell and Prescott went down, we would still be trotting the best athlete we have back at QB. <div>
</div><div>I just think that we can't afford to waste a scholly on a middling QB more than we can't afford to have a walk-on as the #3 next year. </div>
</div><div>I just think that we can't afford to waste a scholly on a middling QB more than we can't afford to have a walk-on as the #3 next year. </div>
a mobile QB- not a running QB that is being taught to throw. He is a little more shifty than Ralph- and throws well while moving- but stayed in the pocket mostly to deliver his passes. Has always been a Spread QB- played all 4 years in the same system. He threw around 70 TD's his last 2 seasons in HS.... <div>CadaverDawg said:
</div><div>He just needs experience to get his feet wet- I feel he and Tyler will do a very good job for us next year</div>
I've seen him play and he doesn't look all that marginal to me. And who says if it came down to Richie Brown and Mays we couldn't sign both andnot signwhoever got bumped to #26. With 25 spots, there's never not enough room for a QB, especially when you only have 2 on your roster.
I think Petersen would be a no go, but you have to make the call. He turns down overtures every year to stick around Boise.
I'm not a big Sumlin fan personally. Morris, Hud, and Diaz are all good picks I think. Morris was one of my original top guys. The only down side to him is experience at this level, but he's an up and comer. He got paid this year too, making $1.2M next year as Clemson's OC. It would probably take north of $2M to get him to another job as a head man.
I'm not a big Sumlin fan personally. Morris, Hud, and Diaz are all good picks I think. Morris was one of my original top guys. The only down side to him is experience at this level, but he's an up and comer. He got paid this year too, making $1.2M next year as Clemson's OC. It would probably take north of $2M to get him to another job as a head man.
1. Sonny Dykes
2. Mark Hudspeth
3. Manny Diaz
4. Mario Cristobal (FIT coach who worked at Rugers and Miami FL previously)
I think any AD who doesn't have a list of at least a few names he would call if he needs to find a coach quick just isn't doing his job very well. Not to say the list wouldn't be reviewed and maybe changed if you need to. But if you're ever in a situation like Tennessee was when Kiffen left, you don't need to waste any time identifying who the candidates are.
Edit: I'm not researching it myself, but I'd also be aware of who's out there at the I-AA level. He'd have to have at least a 4-5 year record of really good results though.
2. Mark Hudspeth
3. Manny Diaz
4. Mario Cristobal (FIT coach who worked at Rugers and Miami FL previously)
I think any AD who doesn't have a list of at least a few names he would call if he needs to find a coach quick just isn't doing his job very well. Not to say the list wouldn't be reviewed and maybe changed if you need to. But if you're ever in a situation like Tennessee was when Kiffen left, you don't need to waste any time identifying who the candidates are.
Edit: I'm not researching it myself, but I'd also be aware of who's out there at the I-AA level. He'd have to have at least a 4-5 year record of really good results though.
I'm not a big Cristobal person though. I want to see him without T.Y. Hilton. Hilton is a heck of a player, and as I recall, we had him all but signed in 2008, and the only thing that sent him to FIU is the fact that he wanted to stay close to home to be near his baby.
Not in any particular order just how I thought of them:
Washington State - Mike Leach
Texas A&M - Kevin Sumiln
Arkansas State - Malzahn
Ole Miss - Hugh Freeze
UCLA - Jim Mora Jr.
Arizona State - Rich Rod
UAB - Garrick McGee
North Carolina - Larry Fedora
FAU - Carl Pelini
Kansas - Charile Weis
New Mexico - Bob Davie
Tulane - Curtis Johnson
I've got to say I think Washington State, UAB, and Ark State hit home runs with their hires. Kansas gets a 'what were they thinking' in my book. I think everyone else is a wait and see. Rich Rod was a solid hire though, not sure if it's a homerun.
Washington State - Mike Leach
Texas A&M - Kevin Sumiln
Arkansas State - Malzahn
Ole Miss - Hugh Freeze
UCLA - Jim Mora Jr.
Arizona State - Rich Rod
UAB - Garrick McGee
North Carolina - Larry Fedora
FAU - Carl Pelini
Kansas - Charile Weis
New Mexico - Bob Davie
Tulane - Curtis Johnson
I've got to say I think Washington State, UAB, and Ark State hit home runs with their hires. Kansas gets a 'what were they thinking' in my book. I think everyone else is a wait and see. Rich Rod was a solid hire though, not sure if it's a homerun.
Mora Jr., Weis, and Davie were just stupid hires in my opinion. For New Mexico though, I don't know who they could get. That's a dead end job.
Mora Jr. may turn out alright, but the history of that type of hire does not bode well for UCLA. Arkansas State couldn't do better than Malzahn.
By the way, you didn't include Memphis hiring Fuentes from TCU, and you didn't include Ohio State hiring Meyer.
ETA: I wouldn't say anyone made a slam dunk hire. Ohio State obviously made the biggest hire, but I have questions about Meyer after the way he left Florida. Leach is a good hire for Washington State, but I don't know that you'll see them overtake Oregon in the Pac-12 North. Nike money and Chip Kelly aren't going away anytime soon. That said, for a program that's been dead for years, Leach is a breath of life and will have them at the very least respectable. Plus he should be able to find plenty of accurate armed, under-valued 2 star QBs to recruit on the West Coast for his light up the scoreboard system.
Mora Jr. may turn out alright, but the history of that type of hire does not bode well for UCLA. Arkansas State couldn't do better than Malzahn.
By the way, you didn't include Memphis hiring Fuentes from TCU, and you didn't include Ohio State hiring Meyer.
ETA: I wouldn't say anyone made a slam dunk hire. Ohio State obviously made the biggest hire, but I have questions about Meyer after the way he left Florida. Leach is a good hire for Washington State, but I don't know that you'll see them overtake Oregon in the Pac-12 North. Nike money and Chip Kelly aren't going away anytime soon. That said, for a program that's been dead for years, Leach is a breath of life and will have them at the very least respectable. Plus he should be able to find plenty of accurate armed, under-valued 2 star QBs to recruit on the West Coast for his light up the scoreboard system.
After that, I would put Sumlin(A&M) and Malzahn(Ark St) into a group.
3rd group would be Freeze and Fedora and maybe Jim Mora, Jr. It will be interesting to see what Mora does.
After that, throw them in a hat.
3rd group would be Freeze and Fedora and maybe Jim Mora, Jr. It will be interesting to see what Mora does.
After that, throw them in a hat.
Urban should be a homerun for Ohio State assuming his heart of whatever doesn't act up again.
I don't know the first thing about the Memphis hire, good luck to him though. No way in hell I'd take that job unless they were dishing out tons of cash and corky's bbq. The local media there has just about salted the earth for their football program. I don't know why but they simply hate Memphis football, maybe it's tied up with the politics of a new stadium or whatever. That guy is walking into a dead end.
The PAC 12 definitely is making some noise. There has been a lot of movement of good 'recruiters' jumping onto the UCLA staff. Maybe Jim Mora Jr. saw how it's done down here while he was in Atlanta!
I don't know the first thing about the Memphis hire, good luck to him though. No way in hell I'd take that job unless they were dishing out tons of cash and corky's bbq. The local media there has just about salted the earth for their football program. I don't know why but they simply hate Memphis football, maybe it's tied up with the politics of a new stadium or whatever. That guy is walking into a dead end.
The PAC 12 definitely is making some noise. There has been a lot of movement of good 'recruiters' jumping onto the UCLA staff. Maybe Jim Mora Jr. saw how it's done down here while he was in Atlanta!
I think Mora is a bad hire. Freeze is a potentially good hire, but a very risky one. I don't think the downside risk was worth the upside potential when you're already coming off of 6 losing seasons out of the last 8. If this isn't a good hire, our 2001-2008 down period is going to look like a walk in the park in comparison.</p>
Leach as #1, with RichRod and Meyer tied and following closely at 2.
Malzahn and McGee take the next two spots as names that I didn't think either school would be capable of landing.
Sumlin, Mora, Fedora, Fuente, and Davie are in my third tier as ones that should be able to outperform their predecessor, or at least equal the performance without as many off-the-field issues.
I'm interested to see Carl Pelini strike off on his own, but can't rank his hiring well. I don't expect much out of Johnson, and Freeze was the "holy heck, no one else worth mentioning will even consider us, so let's move faster and more quietly than we did with Orgeron" hire.
Malzahn and McGee take the next two spots as names that I didn't think either school would be capable of landing.
Sumlin, Mora, Fedora, Fuente, and Davie are in my third tier as ones that should be able to outperform their predecessor, or at least equal the performance without as many off-the-field issues.
I'm interested to see Carl Pelini strike off on his own, but can't rank his hiring well. I don't expect much out of Johnson, and Freeze was the "holy heck, no one else worth mentioning will even consider us, so let's move faster and more quietly than we did with Orgeron" hire.
And really I don't get the love for the guy. Up until this year, he never did much at USM, definitely no more than his predecessor, and even with a veteran team and a ridiculously easy schedule, he still managed to lose to both UAB and Marshall (awful football teams).
I also was always wary of him because of how anxious he was to get out of the USM job. When a guy basically declares he isn't coming back without even having an offer in hand, I wonder about the guy.
The reason I say that is because it leads me to believe he thinks his stock is as high as it is ever going to get and he needs to cash in now. I don't want a coach that doesn't believe they can keep their stock high. From what I've read, USM was going to be rebuilding starting next year anyway. That's on Fedora.
As I said before, he was personally down on my list. He's one I would've taken if we HAD to, but he wasn't near the top of my personal list for our hire. Just about every name mentioned for our job, outside of Smart, would've been ahead of him on my list.
I also was always wary of him because of how anxious he was to get out of the USM job. When a guy basically declares he isn't coming back without even having an offer in hand, I wonder about the guy.
The reason I say that is because it leads me to believe he thinks his stock is as high as it is ever going to get and he needs to cash in now. I don't want a coach that doesn't believe they can keep their stock high. From what I've read, USM was going to be rebuilding starting next year anyway. That's on Fedora.
As I said before, he was personally down on my list. He's one I would've taken if we HAD to, but he wasn't near the top of my personal list for our hire. Just about every name mentioned for our job, outside of Smart, would've been ahead of him on my list.
especially with all these OC spots opening up now in the SEC. I'm sure he would have been somewhere in the discussion for one of them.
I think Freeze brings a lot of good things to the Ole Miss job. He's a local boy who probably will be loyal and have some good connections. I think his Offense either works and he's the next Offensive guru or he'll be in trouble. I don't necessarily think he even has to get wins right off the bat just show some ingenuity and score some points. Kind of like Mullen his first year. I will say that picking Freeze over Leach or Malzahn seems to be a reach.
I think Freeze brings a lot of good things to the Ole Miss job. He's a local boy who probably will be loyal and have some good connections. I think his Offense either works and he's the next Offensive guru or he'll be in trouble. I don't necessarily think he even has to get wins right off the bat just show some ingenuity and score some points. Kind of like Mullen his first year. I will say that picking Freeze over Leach or Malzahn seems to be a reach.
His problems the first few years were never on offense. His offenses were always lighting up the scoreboard. His problem was his defense was giving up just as much. I think he learned his lesson that you can't be too loyal to friends in this business if they're not getting the job done. Give him a decent DC, and I think he's a good head coach. I do agree that there's some risk with this hire, but as someone else mentioned there's always risk, even with Ohio St. hiring Meyer.