Hey Dean....
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Dean - unpack! The Cubs will always find a way to lose. Look at last October. They'd beaten the Mets 7 games to none and were picked to win the playoffs. But the team's hitting went into a choke induced slump. I'm aware that Murphy had a great series, but they should have been able to overcome that
And what about the media. Did they criticize the choke? No - thye said it was a learning opportuntiy. Learning, my rear end. The only thing they learned was imploding.
They can add all the Cardinals they want, but they'll still be the Cubs.
MC63:
I do like your post. But the Mets team the Cubs beat during the season was not the same Mets team they played in October.
Aside from the physical part of the games of the NLCS, I believe that series was lost mentally by the Cubs in the first two games when you had Soler complaining about the cold weather to the point he didn't even play game two. Then there was Terry Collins who was dressed like a baseball manager for the games in New York and Joe Maddon, who I like, who was dressed as if he was going on an arctic expedition. To me, that stuff said a lot as to which team wanted to advance and which team was going to hibernate. The Mets didn't let the weather affect their play.
But the Cubs organization is putting their money where their mouths are and the White Sox are doing nothing. The Cubs are going to be good for a while and I have NO current hope for the White Sox. Whether the Cubs' improvement leads to a championship or not will be determined.
I do like your post. But the Mets team the Cubs beat during the season was not the same Mets team they played in October.
Aside from the physical part of the games of the NLCS, I believe that series was lost mentally by the Cubs in the first two games when you had Soler complaining about the cold weather to the point he didn't even play game two. Then there was Terry Collins who was dressed like a baseball manager for the games in New York and Joe Maddon, who I like, who was dressed as if he was going on an arctic expedition. To me, that stuff said a lot as to which team wanted to advance and which team was going to hibernate. The Mets didn't let the weather affect their play.
But the Cubs organization is putting their money where their mouths are and the White Sox are doing nothing. The Cubs are going to be good for a while and I have NO current hope for the White Sox. Whether the Cubs' improvement leads to a championship or not will be determined.
Current format it all comes down to who is hot in October. The team with the best record rarely wins the WS. Since inception of wild cards in '95 team with best record has won 4 of 21 times. One being the '05 Sox.
The Braves had 3 HOF starters and only won 1 WS in that 15 year or so span so it all comes down to a few weeks. That being said, if the Cubs win 3 WS like Boston etc. I am going off the grid.
The Braves had 3 HOF starters and only won 1 WS in that 15 year or so span so it all comes down to a few weeks. That being said, if the Cubs win 3 WS like Boston etc. I am going off the grid.
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It appears as if the significance of a possible Cubs' World Series title extends beyond Chicago. Lester spoke of the draw of contributing to a Cubs' World Series victory, and supposedly Heyward took less money from the Cubs to play on the North side for a chance at it as well. Couple that with good young talent, sound baseball leadership, a committed owner, a renovated Wrigley and additional revenue streams and you have the makings of an organization who is finally ready to compete in today's baseball environment. MC63's view that the past will somehow influence the Cubs' future seems like wishful thinking on the part of a Sox fan, IMO.If the Cubs win 1 World Series Chicago will go off the grid
Excellent post. That last sentence is something I am seeing and hearing from a lot of Sox fans. I have to admit, I am very curious to see what a Cubs World Championship looks like. But I also know to be careful what I wish for. I know I'll never hear the end of it should it happen...even if the Sox win another before the Cubs. It will only take one from the Cubs.
Chicago will always be a Cub town. They are a large market team compared to the Sox who are a middle market team with the fan base and ability to draw on the road, etc. I have gone as far as to say I am not going to be a Sox fan anymore until Reinsdorf sells the team. I simply can't stand that man.
I have never thought of the 2005 White Sox as being a "great team." Personally, I think the Royals are better team now than the Sox were then. The 2005 Sox team was an example of a bunch of guys having really good seasons at the same time. That is all it takes. But nothing happened after that. What did they win, one playoff game afterward? Real good one year team.
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Position by position the only guy from Sox u would have in lineup is Abreu at DH. Pitching Sale and Rodon or Quintana in rotation. Pretty pathetic.
Would you have thought that Tinkers Evers and Chance from the Cubs were better than the Royals infielders?
If the Cubs don't win the WS in 2016 then I don't see them winning it EVER. So do the Cub fans have a melt down if they don't or is gonna be another "wait til next year" then into Bill Murray's Groundhog Day?
MC63:
You make a fair point in that the Cubs were an improved team when they met the Mets in the playoffs. But what is choking? Is it one team, that is clearly better, getting beat by a lesser team? Is it a team that has a lead and then piddles it away? I am sure if I ask that question here 20 guys are liable to give me 20 different opinions.
One thing is for sure. The Cubs and White Sox are clearly headed in different directions. Come next April we can say that the Cubs have a shot at a World Series title. Whether they win it or not will remain to be seen. We can also say come next April that the White Sox have NO shot at a World Series title.
You make a fair point in that the Cubs were an improved team when they met the Mets in the playoffs. But what is choking? Is it one team, that is clearly better, getting beat by a lesser team? Is it a team that has a lead and then piddles it away? I am sure if I ask that question here 20 guys are liable to give me 20 different opinions.
One thing is for sure. The Cubs and White Sox are clearly headed in different directions. Come next April we can say that the Cubs have a shot at a World Series title. Whether they win it or not will remain to be seen. We can also say come next April that the White Sox have NO shot at a World Series title.
Cubs are definitely loaded. It's put up or shut up for them OR perhaps their motto "there's always next year"
They're supposed to be a Cubs fan backup plan. Go hang with that other thug franchise the Dodgers.
DBacks would be very dangerous in a 5 game series as well. With 10 teams making playoffs, Just gotta get hot for 3 weeks now and get in. regular season not nearly what it meant before.
what about Shoeless Joe in the HOF? 3rd all time highest avg. Rose bet on the Reds problem is when he did not bet on them. He would extend starters, staff-everything to win a game he bet on-then that hung them out to dry the next day or 2. Guy should be banned for life period.
Rather than making a sweeping statement and then running away, perhaps you have the guts or confidence to explain exactly what you mean.
What does the Cubs' past have to do with their present? Burdens on you, guy...
Also, a bit of unsolicited advice, you don't need to create a new thread every time MC scores a touchdown. Simply add to the initial thread, or does AOL not allow that option.
It is obvious that Pete Rose's biggest problem has always been Pete Rose. Way back when he was a player he was warned by Sparky Anderson, Joe Morgan, Johnny Bench and even Curt Gowdy, among others, to stop hanging around with the seedy gamblers he was associating with.
But Rose didn't listen. I don't think he belongs in baseball or the HOF either. BUT, I will say this for him. He has spoken his mind about baseball and the HOF itself along with the guys who have votes. THAT is what is keeping him out as much as anything else. Every time he speaks negatively about baseball and the process of the HOF he pisses them off. They are at the point where he is never getting in...at least through them.
But what he says is right. I lost all respect with the HOF fame voting and process years ago. But, when they purposely kept Ron Santo out until after he was deceased, that did it for me. That was done purposely and I think it was rotten. Santo couldn't even get to enjoy the accomplishment in his living years and worse yet, he wasn't around to share it with his family. The year before Santo died his accomplishments in the game were the same as they were after he died. As far as I am concerned, the writers and HOF members who vote on this stuff are pieces of sh*t just like Rose. They are no better.
But Rose didn't listen. I don't think he belongs in baseball or the HOF either. BUT, I will say this for him. He has spoken his mind about baseball and the HOF itself along with the guys who have votes. THAT is what is keeping him out as much as anything else. Every time he speaks negatively about baseball and the process of the HOF he pisses them off. They are at the point where he is never getting in...at least through them.
But what he says is right. I lost all respect with the HOF fame voting and process years ago. But, when they purposely kept Ron Santo out until after he was deceased, that did it for me. That was done purposely and I think it was rotten. Santo couldn't even get to enjoy the accomplishment in his living years and worse yet, he wasn't around to share it with his family. The year before Santo died his accomplishments in the game were the same as they were after he died. As far as I am concerned, the writers and HOF members who vote on this stuff are pieces of sh*t just like Rose. They are no better.
No need to consider unsolicited advice from a technology cop. You post however you wish and stay out of my business, thank you.
Re the Cubs .... there's an old adage that says those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat its mistakes.
There is something that overwhelms that team when crunch time comes around. The expectations on the team are far greater than those on any other. First, the players have to repeat over and over and over that they're not concerned with any curse. That adds 50 pounds of stress right there.
Secondly, there are all those simultaneously sappy and crazed fans who beleive that the team outshines the '27 Yankees -- and lets them know it. Another 50 pounds.
Third is the media who need to create more and more controversy to outdo the competition. This year, in addition to the nonsense of previous seasons, the leading TV news station (Channel 7) and the leading radio station -- WBBM -- both went off the charts in their coverage ... losing whatever sense of objectivity they ever had. The Tribune's Paul Sullivan quit writing columns and switched to love letters. I couldn't beleive him. I used to respect his work.
None of these outlets could admit that the Cubs merely choked their brains out against the Mets. If the White Sox had caved like this, there would have been hell to pay. Of course, the White Sox didn't choke -- they went 11 - 1 lin the playoffs and World Series. Can the Sox compete in the future? -- I'm not sure that many teams can with the Red Sox paying a pitcher a million $ a game and the Cubs giving Heyward a small country.
Well MC63, when we make a post on a public board it becomes everybody's business whether we like it or not.
Exactly when was that when the Sox didn't choke? What was that...10 years ago already? How many playoff games have they won since? One? To put it into perspective, kids who were in second grade when the Sox won the World Series are now Seniors in high school.
I grow sick and tired of the argument of what teams pay players on one side as an excuse for their not winning on the other. There are 1,414 people in the world with a net worth higher than Jerry Reinsdorf.
It's not what you are spending as much as it is HOW you are spending it. Have you checked the 2015 MLB payrolls? Let's take a look. The Cubs had a payroll in 2015 of 119M and the Sox had a payroll of 115M. Would you say the Cubs or Sox got more for their money. Who won the World Series? That's right...the Kansas City Royals. Their 2015 payroll was 113M. Less than both Chicago teams. What was the Mets' payroll? They were 21st in MLB at 101M. Who did the Mets beat to get to the World Series? The Dodgers, who lead MLB in payroll at 272M.
In short, the White Sox scouting and farm systems are a joke...especially the scouting. It's not just about signing free agents. You need good scouting and a good farm system to bring players up or use them in trades. Look where they Royals are. Then look at how many of their players they scouted, drafted, brought along in the minor leagues and sent to the big leagues with success. Look at the Cubs. They remind me of the Royals of a couple of years ago. I said that all last year.
The Cubs have excellent scouting, a real good minor league system and an outstanding GM. The Sox don't have any of those things. Would you like me to go into the field managers? I didn't think so.
Yeah, the Sox have that ONE World Championship in all of our lifetimes. But I am not going to live off that forever and I think it's time you move on as well.
Dr - I have zero intention of moving on. The White Sox world championship was bigger to me than the sum of the Super Bowl win and the 3 Stanley Cups. I waited a lifetime (literally) and I will continue to revel in that trophy as long as I can still do so.
The likely inability of the White Sox to win another title in the near future does not diminish my 2005 pride in any way. Zip.
Come to think of it, to put it in your terms, the people who were in second grade when the Cubs won their last World Series have been dead for 50 years.
The likely inability of the White Sox to win another title in the near future does not diminish my 2005 pride in any way. Zip.
Come to think of it, to put it in your terms, the people who were in second grade when the Cubs won their last World Series have been dead for 50 years.