Hey Ninja....

[Coach34]

I know I rag on Stansbury alot and all, and I'm no fan as I'm sure you can tell. But I do love my school and really wish we could advance our program on a national scale, as I know you do as well. While scheduling better teams will helpexpose Stansbury's flaws as an offensive wizard, it is still going to take you 2-3 years to get rid of him that way. We both know this. So I propose a new plan:

First of all, buy him some offensive videos and hand deliver them. While both of you will know exactly what you are doing, it will send a message to him he needs to get better. Just smile and say nicely, "i'm just trying to help give you all the resources you need coach to be successful"

Secondly, after he doesnt make any changes, fire Cunningham at the end of the season. Tell him that he has to hire a coach that specializes in offensive basketball. Tell him if he cant do it, you will.

Thirdly, after failing to make the NCAA's in 2011, tell him to fire Kirby and Grant or he will be replaced. At worst, we get some new blood in the assistant coaches. Best case scenario- you get to go out and hire a quality basketball coach. If he has any spine at all, he will make you fire him, just as Crooms did.

Instead of waiting 2-3 years, you can have this done in a year and a half.

Go Dawgs,

Coach34

 

[Coach34]

I know I rag on Stansbury alot and all, and I'm no fan as I'm sure you can tell. But I do love my school and really wish we could advance our program on a national scale, as I know you do as well. While scheduling better teams will helpexpose Stansbury's flaws as an offensive wizard, it is still going to take you 2-3 years to get rid of him that way. We both know this. So I propose a new plan:

First of all, buy him some offensive videos and hand deliver them. While both of you will know exactly what you are doing, it will send a message to him he needs to get better. Just smile and say nicely, "i'm just trying to help give you all the resources you need coach to be successful"

Secondly, after he doesnt make any changes, fire Cunningham at the end of the season. Tell him that he has to hire a coach that specializes in offensive basketball. Tell him if he cant do it, you will.

Thirdly, after failing to make the NCAA's in 2011, tell him to fire Kirby and Grant or he will be replaced. At worst, we get some new blood in the assistant coaches. Best case scenario- you get to go out and hire a quality basketball coach. If he has any spine at all, he will make you fire him, just as Crooms did.

Instead of waiting 2-3 years, you can have this done in a year and a half.

Go Dawgs,

Coach34

 

[Coach34]

I know I rag on Stansbury alot and all, and I'm no fan as I'm sure you can tell. But I do love my school and really wish we could advance our program on a national scale, as I know you do as well. While scheduling better teams will helpexpose Stansbury's flaws as an offensive wizard, it is still going to take you 2-3 years to get rid of him that way. We both know this. So I propose a new plan:

First of all, buy him some offensive videos and hand deliver them. While both of you will know exactly what you are doing, it will send a message to him he needs to get better. Just smile and say nicely, "i'm just trying to help give you all the resources you need coach to be successful"

Secondly, after he doesnt make any changes, fire Cunningham at the end of the season. Tell him that he has to hire a coach that specializes in offensive basketball. Tell him if he cant do it, you will.

Thirdly, after failing to make the NCAA's in 2011, tell him to fire Kirby and Grant or he will be replaced. At worst, we get some new blood in the assistant coaches. Best case scenario- you get to go out and hire a quality basketball coach. If he has any spine at all, he will make you fire him, just as Crooms did.

Instead of waiting 2-3 years, you can have this done in a year and a half.

Go Dawgs,

Coach34

 

[Coach34]

I know I rag on Stansbury alot and all, and I'm no fan as I'm sure you can tell. But I do love my school and really wish we could advance our program on a national scale, as I know you do as well. While scheduling better teams will helpexpose Stansbury's flaws as an offensive wizard, it is still going to take you 2-3 years to get rid of him that way. We both know this. So I propose a new plan:

First of all, buy him some offensive videos and hand deliver them. While both of you will know exactly what you are doing, it will send a message to him he needs to get better. Just smile and say nicely, "i'm just trying to help give you all the resources you need coach to be successful"

Secondly, after he doesnt make any changes, fire Cunningham at the end of the season. Tell him that he has to hire a coach that specializes in offensive basketball. Tell him if he cant do it, you will.

Thirdly, after failing to make the NCAA's in 2011, tell him to fire Kirby and Grant or he will be replaced. At worst, we get some new blood in the assistant coaches. Best case scenario- you get to go out and hire a quality basketball coach. If he has any spine at all, he will make you fire him, just as Crooms did.

Instead of waiting 2-3 years, you can have this done in a year and a half.

Go Dawgs,

Coach34

 

[SLUdog]

do you want MSU to succeed? (*I am assuming your answer is yes.) Do you enjoy it when MSU loses? (as some have insinuated)

 

[DawgatAuburn]

That's what I thought about through the afternoon. Pretty much the same scenario but done in private. Cunningham should be told to start looking the day after the last game a la Torbush. If it means he moves to HS ball then so be it. And Byrne gets final approval on anyone Stansbury wants to hire. I just hope Byrne would consult some basketball people since he and Sticklin have proven to be less than knowledgeable about basketball thus far.

Every year I convince myself that Stansbury is going to have learned some things in the off season and we will be a more complete team. This year that was out the window at halftime of the Rider game. He needs some support on the bench to help mask his deficiencies. From what I understand, he is too much of a control freak to hire someone who might know more than him. Hence we have the three that we have, who contribute nothing.

Here's where I am with Stansbury. When we are playing teams we are significantly better than, I feel pretty good going in, and we win most of those type games.. But when the game at all looks like a tossup, like WKU, or at Bama or next Thursday in Fayetteville, I have no confidence we will win. I have HOPE, but rarely am I confident. It's hard to be confident with us. In 12 years we have yet to establish any consistency in effort and execution, and our ceiling has been clearly defined.

I also have to admit I am tired of this current group of players, Jarvis included. I'll miss the blocked shots of course, but I would sure like to have a post man who can score from the low block a few times a game with an actual post move. I'll miss Barry's defense, but not his brick laying. I can't think of anything I will miss about Ravern other than his ability to dominate non-conference opponents. I won't miss Kodi's craptastic attitude and waste of talent. I will miss him calling out our stupid substitution patterns in the papers. I won't miss Benock and the empty stat lines he provides. I am ready for 2012 with Dee, Osby, Brian Bryant, Shaun Smith. Lewis and Riek and some new freshmens.

 

[Columbus Dawg]

You are tired of Jarvis and ready for Riek. Wow.

 

[Coach34]

one of the top 5 posts ever on this board about basketball. I agree with everything you said

 

[DawgatAuburn]

I am tired of seeing average post defenders move Jarvis around like a rag doll. He's a senior and the only post moves he has are the up and under that works about 20% of the time and the jump hook that works about the same. If not for some good interior passing at times and some stickbacks, he would be a <10 ppg scorer because he can't get enough of his own shots off. And Riek is clearly not the answer, but he and Lewis are all we've got so far unless the unnamed one somehow gets cleared. Doesn't mean I don't love Varnado - I do. I'll be charting blocks like everyone else and celebrating when he breaks the record. I guess what I am saying is we are not going anywhere with this current group, and he happens to be the de facto leader.

 

[Coach34]

do you want MSU to succeed? (*I am assuming your answer is yes.) Do you enjoy it when MSU loses? (as some have insinuated)

we were what, 15? Believe me when I say, I dont give a monkey **** who the basketball coach at State is. I do care how we are coached. When I see a well-coached, gritty, quality team that runs good offensive sets and plays defense fundamentally and intelligently, i'll back it 100%. Right now, we dont have that.

 

[HD6]

With your list of requirements, why don't you become a fan of Princeton?

 

[Irondawg]

First on Stans. I will admit to not having a clue how good the current assistants are at X & O or recruiting. But the needs for an offensive advisor is dire and instead of a young "up and comer" like we admire in football assistants, I'd rather an older steady hand that will enjoy basically sticking around as long as we have Stans. Think was Tex Winter is to Phil Jackson.

Getting players in basketball is paramount and while his recruiting has slipped recently, there's no denying Stans has been able above average talent in the Hump compared to most of the rest of the SEC. That's worth a ton and why I'd rather see an offensive asst. coach brought in than just work on getting him fired.

To DawgatAuburng - I agree, Jarvis has not gotten better offensively and that's disappointing. He improved soph to Jr. and now seems to have actually regressed a little. His form is still poor and he's been to several camps/tours with other coaches so I think I just have to accept there's not a lot of natural talent there on offense. The one thing I hate is that just like MC, he brings the freaking ball down just about every time he catches it. He's blown about 10 dunks this year by catching it, dropping it down and then getting fouled instead..

I still think Ravern is a special shooting talent, but we have to really focus on getting him his shots of offensive to make up for his defense. This means 15 shots a night.
Kodi is just Kodi - he's got some skills, but far less than he thinks but we don't use him right either. We let him float around the perimeter where he can do more bad than good. Yes, he can shoot 3's, but you can get him those shots be letting him pop out after a screen of some sort. Running the offense through him on the perimeter is a mistake - he's not a great passer and if he takes more than 2 dribbles it's a TO about 65% of the time.

Right now having Kodi and Ravern on the floor against an athletic aggressive defense is just asking for trouble. In those matchups you can live with one in, but not both. I'm still promoting my 7 man rotation versus this stuff we got going on right now.

 

[Stormrider81]

I'm curious as who where you think State's basketball program could actually reach.

Again, it's like Ole Miss football.

Edited to add: The only solace I'll have (which will be very little) once we fire Stans and hire a "quality" coach like Kennedy, is that you'll be on here excusing worse play from our team than you are using to support firing Rick. It'll be slightly enjoyable watching you contradict yourself.

 

[War Machine Dawg]

Rick should be forced to get the hell out of Akins way in the strength and conditioning department. There's no excuse for Randy & Phil to be the same 170 pounds as seniors they were as freshmens. We've talked about Jarvis and his weight ad nauseum. D@A mentioned Ravern only lighting up conference opponents. I think that's a direct reflection upon his lack of mass. He isn't physical enough to take a pounding of an entire season and flames out in conference play as a result. Oh, he'll have 1 or 2 more really good games, but he'll be a non-factor the rest of the season, unless you count giving up basket after basket after basket to his man on D.

 

[Coach34]

you enjoy loading up and beating nobodys and just qualifying for the NCAA Tourney

Stansbury has an abysmal record vs the top 25 and the top 50

Being 4th in SEC wins behind the top 3 teams in the East doesnt make me feel warm and fuzzy- it just makes me damn glad Stansbury doesnt have to play Kentucky, Fla, and Tenn twice like the SC and Vandy does.

Stansbury is what, 12-19 vs the other 5 top conferences? Are we REALLY winning when it comes down to it? Or are we just loading up on ****** OOC teams and beating the cripples of the SEC West?

 

[HD6]

you are right, I could care less who we beat, so long as we win. And that goes for every team I cheer for in every sport.

If we had the Ole Miss non-conference in football, do you think you, me, or anyone else would give a **** it was weak? Hell no, we'd be celebrating that bowl berth. We didn't exactly set the non-conference schedule on fire in 1996, and I don't recall anyone discounting the Final Four. Who gives a **** who we beat? Who gives a **** how much we win by? So as long as Stansbury continues to win 65 percent of his games a season, and continues to put us into the NCAA tournament, you will never hear me complain.

Storm and hatfield have it right, you people are like Ole Miss fans in football. You just believe that MSU basketball is something that is not, 100 years of history proving you wrong be damned.

 

[Coach34]

in comparing us to Mississippi Rebel football....

Mississippi Rebel football was good in the 1950's and 1960's....since Integration took place? Not so much. I'm willing to bet you a pork loin that if you go back 10 years- they arent 4th in the SEC football wins...

However, we are 4th in wins in basketball. We rule the crippled side of the SEC in basketball. We have a whopping 2 wins over LSU the last 10 years. Hell, between us and LSU, we have won 4 of the last 10 SEC titles.

Winning the weak side of weak basketball conference a few times isnt great, but it does put us in position to do greater things. </p>

And for the record, I've seen plenty of people here just hammer Mississippi for their extremely weak OOC football schedule, yet defend Stansbury. Hypocrisocy at its finest. But comparing football and basketball is stupid in the first place, so I dont do it</p>

 

[OEMDawg]

<div>Then honestly, why do we compete in the SEC? With that attitude, we should just move to CUSA or the Sun Belt and dominate on the damn floor. Then we could take our one and done in the big dance, but we'd still have that string of conference titles to keep the fans happy. You won't get an argument from me in football. History has shown that we won't compete with the big boys, we should load up on the patsies in OOC and take our bowls when we can get them.</div><div>
</div><div>However, history HAS shown that we can compete in basketball. It started in 91, but we were finally able to get over the hump in 95 and 96. And since then, Stansbury has had the teams to do it but has not gotten it done. In the decade we saw eight, EIGHT, teams from the SEC advance to the Sweet 16 or beyond. Vandy and LSU both did it more than once (in addition to UT, FL, and KY). When 2/3 of your conference has outperformed you WHEN IT COUNTS, then something has got to change. But, obviously it's not going to because MSU fans take the defeatist attitude that we can do no better, as you so eloquently did with your post.</div><div>
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[HD6]

1999: <span style="font-weight: bold;">MSU, 55-53 at Starkville</span>
LSU, 74-63 at Baton Rouge
2000: <span style="font-weight: bold;">MSU, 68-66 at Starkville</span>
LSU, 71-66 at Baton Rouge
2001: LSU, 82-73 at Starkville
<span style="font-weight: bold;">MSU, 55-48 at Baton Rouge</span>
2002: <span style="font-weight: bold;">MSU, 84-61 at Starkville</span>
LSU, 68-65 ot at Baton Rouge
MSU, <span style="font-weight: bold;">57-51 at Atlanta, Ga.*</span>
2003: LSU, 85-72 at Baton Rouge
MSU, <span style="font-weight: bold;">67-64 at Starkville</span>
MSU, <span style="font-weight: bold;">76-61 at New Orleans *</span>
2004: <span style="font-weight: bold;">MSU, 64-54 at Baton Rouge</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">MSU, 84-58 at Starkville</span>
2005: LSU, 69-62 at Baton Rouge
LSU, 80-72 at Starkville
2006: LSU, 71-57 at Starkville
LSU, 72-59 at Baton Rouge
2007: <span style="font-weight: bold;">MSU, 85-78 at Starkville</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">MSU, 56-50 at Baton Rouge</span>
2008: <span style="font-weight: bold;">MSU, 61-39 at Baton Rouge</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">MSU 84-75 at Starkville</span>
2009: LSU, 81-57 at Baton Rouge
LSU, 97-94 2ot at Starkville
<span style="font-weight: bold;">MSU, 67-57 at Tampa, Fla.*

</span>Looks to me like are 14-11 aGAINST LSU the past 10 years, including 3 wins in the SEC Tournament. What point did you think you were proving there?

I am not one of those who hammered Ole Miss. It's damn smart, you play enough quality games in conference, you should schedule easy outside of it.

You just have this belief that MSU can become another North Carolina/Kansas/Syracuse type program, and I don't. I don't think MSU can ever become a team that will be regarded on a national level as elite. And because I am a fan, and not a coach who has to pay lip service to pie in the sky ideas, this is perfectly acceptable. I am allowed to set my own expectation level, and lucky me, I hit it almost every season Rick Stansbury is our head coach. You may think it makes me some sort of sheep or defeatist, but it makes me right more often than not.<span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span></span></span>I mean, do you really buy into what Mullen talks about, about winning SEC titles here? You really see that happening? If the guy spends a decade here, and never makes it higher than the Peach Bowl, but consistently wins 6-8 games a year, he can coach forever. If Cohen consistently puts us in regionals, super regionals, and makes the occassional trip to Omaha, he can coach forever.

Would I like to win a national title? Absolutely I would. But do I think it's feasible? Absolutely I do not. And there is zero evidence to support any other theory.

 

[HD6]

This is about becoming a national player. You, for some reason, despite having no evidence to back up your claim other than a trip to the Final Four that happened to coincide with the one time in our history we had two first round NBA draft choices on our team, think MSU can become a national powerhouse, and what's more, you believe the easiest road to accomplishing this task is to fire a coach who has done nothing more than win 65 percent of this games, constantly compete for the conference championship, and get his teams more often than not into the NCAA tournament.

This isn't Jackie going down with the ship. We made the tournament last year. We are 15-4 currently. And yet, from you and yours, it's a never ending "**** STAINS SUCKS LITTLE WOODEN I CAN'T BELIEVE WE ARE THIS TERRIBLE BURYBALL HAS GOT TO GO" parade, and it is a level of annoying that is almost impossible to describe.

 

[bertier]

why any of you Stansbury bashers think we can be any better than we are with a different coach. We are, in fact, Mississippi State. We play in a tough conference (I know it's not the best) and we have to compete for recruits with another school in the smallest SEC state. Mississippi State has had two great NCAA tournament runs, and it was awesome. We had incredible (NBA) talent on those teams. That is what gets you to the second and third weekends of the NCAA tourney. There are some cinderellas that make the second weekends, but I would be willing to bet there is a huge correlation between future NBA players on the roster and getting out of the first weekend.

As far as Stans' coaching, I know at times it is insufferable to watch our teams play. I wish he could get them to play harder and that we would run a decent offense. Our teams get rattled on offense too easily, we throw up bad shots, and we generally look out of sync when we are not playing well. However, I don't think we getany better with a new coach. We will either have tolure an already-proven coach to Starkville (not gonna happen) or take a chance on some young guy. I am content with SEC West titles every other year and consistently appearing in the NCAA Tournament. I am confident with this new NBA rule that we will eventually land some NBA talent from Mississippi that will actually get to play. We will be back to the Sweet 16 one day with Stans, because he's not going anywhere anytime soon, no matter how much you ***** about it.

What will it take for the Stans bashers to quit posting this crap? Do we all have to acknowledge that our offense looks crappy? We watch the same games you do, but the difference is we cheer FOR the bulldogs and Stansbury, not against them so we can post more BS on this board.

 

[HD6]

you really thought we were at best 2-18 against LSU the past decade? Hell, we didn't even lose to them from 1994-1998. If I did the math right, we are 31-17 against them since 1988.

 

[Mstate11]

So you're saying you're ok with mediocraty? What a life you lead.

 

[PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA]

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[Stormrider81]

Allow me to let some of you State and OM fans in on reality:

Football at OM and State will never be better than our late 90's run and the past two years for OM. Typically it will be less. 6-8 wins most years is about the best we can do, with the occasional 9-10 win season and the occasional 4-5 win season.

Basketball at OM and State will never be better than it has been at State this decade. Consistently challenging for the West and the Tourney titles, occasionally challenging for the overall title, and consistently making NCAAs is the peak. Every once in a while one of us might make a nice NCAA run, and occasionally we'll miss the Tourney altogether.

Now, I realize that saying this will likely garner me comments about my level of expectations and all of that, but folks this is reality. OM and State will never be a top tier national program in either basketball or football. We can be in baseball, but that's it. Firing a coach because he hasn't taken you to a level you are incapable of reaching is beyond moronic. It's exactly what OM did with Cut, and it nearly destroyed their program. By pure luck they landed a proven winner in Nutt (who in reality is not much, if any, better than Cut) after the O experiment ended horribly. If Ole Miss were to repeat that strategy 10 times, I bet 9 out of those 10 times they don't end up with back to back Cotton Bowl victories.

 

[Woof Man Jack]

Looks to me like are 14-11 aGAINST LSU the past 10 years, including 3
wins in the SEC Tournament. What point did you think you were proving
there?

Why ya gotta bring facts in this? Haven't you learned, facts have no place in a C34 bitchfest? Of course, C34 will now tuck his tail, run and hide because yet again, he's been caught making **** up.

 

[gravedigger]

******** up about LSU. When you do that, it proves that your point is so weak you HAVE to do that.

Sort of like us being the 6th best conference in the country in the last 12 years when we are the 3rd .

But please, by all means, haul off with one of those facts when you get the sack to send the message to Byrne. I'm sure he'll take you straight to the list of addys that go straight to the delete file.

 

[HD6]

correlate directly into how I treat my family, what I do at work, and how I spend my leisure time.

I could be misunderstanding you though, as I am not sure what mediocraty is, and thus not sure if I am OK with it or not.

 

[gravedigger]

Couple of things. You might be onto something. If I move Stansbury out there will be the need for a couple of new positions:

1. Director of getting your *** kicked by the angry mob outside the Hump. This person's only qualification needs to be able to explain why MSU thought that after Arkansas, USC, Georgia, Bama, LSU all changed coaches in the last 15 years failing to improve their situation, we thought we could. This person will be paid hansomly as they wont live to see their first paycheck and wont cost the university a cent.

2. Athletic Director. See, I'll be moving on soon because of the decisions I've made to move out the dead weight coaches and keep the ones that win. I can either move on because I improved the situation before I got here and other programs want me, or I can be forced out for firing coaches that consistantly win.

Son, stick to doing what you do best. Making up imaginary scenarios like top coaches who are lining up to coach in Starkville and imaginary statistics like our record vs LSU and our conference ranking.

And by the way, defense is our problem.

Sincerely
Ninja</p>

 

[MSUCostanza]

That perfectly sums up the thoughts of many, including myself.

 

[MSUCostanza]

nm

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

...because, personally, I would rather be banned than have to suffer the smack down coach34 suffered at the hands of HD6 in this thread.

coach34 is nothing but an attention ***** who loves to stir the ****. All his arguments concerning MSU basketball aresophistry. (Sophistry = a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallacious method of reasoning).

MSU basketball is notDuke or Kentucky basketball, & never will be. And it's pure sophistry for idiots like coach34 to argue than firing Stansbury "will take MSU basketball to the next level."

Stansbury has MSU basketballat about the highest level it will ever be.So you idiots who think MSU will rip off three Final Fours in a row if we just "hire a coach who can run an offense" are real ignorant jackasses.

I suffer through concurrent years of ******, embarrassing MSUfootball seasons, & watch MSU baseball go down the crapper due to some nutbag with an axe to grind against the NCAA, then I watch MSU basketball bring a modicum of respect to the laughingstock that is MSU athletics.

Yet thisboardprovides trash like coach34 a forum to constantly bash the one good thing about MSU athletics.

 

[Coach34]

We have two more wins than LSU in the SEC the last 10 years, not that we only have two wins over LSU

 

[bertier]

As much as you people like to ***** about our basketball program, I don't think you have once taken a step back and realized that basketball is the only sport we haven't been a complete embarrassment in since Stans was hired. The loss to Rider hurt, but a lead in the West and a 15-4 record have eased that pain a good bit. We have been flirting with disaster this whole SEC season, and this loss to Bama will hopefully be a turning point.

As far as expectations go, you are an idiot to ever have high expectations about our football/basketball team (See: 2001 Football season, 2004-2005 Basketball season). If you expect SEC/National Titles from Mississippi State's football and basketball teams, you WILL be disappointed almost 100% of the time.

You can call my life mediocre all you want, but from my experience MSU always does better when I have zero expectations for them. I hope I am wrong, but that is just how I see it.

 

[topbulldawg]

Obviously, that is what you meant by that statement *Sarcasm*

 

[BriantheDawg]

You just summed up every level-headed MSU fans' perspective of what our basketball program should be. Unfortunaetly though, there's just not much level-headedness on this board from November to March. To some of these douches, we are a top 10 program and should never lose a game. And if we do lose a game, the by God, it's all Stans' fault. Nevermind the 2-30 effort from 3 point range by our players or the blatant missed calls by the referees. It's all Stans' fault.

If we can be in the Tournament almost every single year, maybe 2 out of every 3 years, I'll be a happy camper. That's just not good enough for coach34, rugb, thick, OEM, D@A, DumbassDawg and a few others. If just one of them, JUST ONE, could come up with some supporting evidence as to why we should never lose a game and be the top 10 program they think we are, I might change my tune. Until then, I'll be happy winning the West, winning 20+ games and making the Tournament 2 out of every 3 years.

 

[Coach34]

Obviously, that is what you meant by that statement *Sarcasm*

and you think its just coincidence that we have two more wins than LSU in the SEC the last 10 years? </p>

moron</p>

 

[War Machine Dawg]

[No message]

 

[HD6]

to the list of subjects I'm glad you will never teach my kids, also including geography and math.

 

[MSUCostanza]

football, basketball and baseball.