HF / Loyola
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One of the bigger keys is how HF's defense matches up against LA's offense. IMO, LA has their best offense in the Holecek era. Haven't heard much about HF's defense. Stevenson had a lot of success early in the year. No one, other than the Brook, has had much success since.
Don't think LA's defense will be overwhelmed by HF's speed, but HF will break some big plays. LA's defense is always disciplined and well schooled.
I'm guessing LA will get enough stops on D, and their offense will put enough points on the board to win. You also have to like their chances at home.
Don't think LA's defense will be overwhelmed by HF's speed, but HF will break some big plays. LA's defense is always disciplined and well schooled.
I'm guessing LA will get enough stops on D, and their offense will put enough points on the board to win. You also have to like their chances at home.
That is pretty much my synopsis. LA won't be able to completely shut down HF like they did with MS, BR but LA offense is the trump card here. At Wilmette also. Both coaches roll dice as well should be great to watch. I just think its LA D will be able to stop more then HF D.
My worry about HF is their huge O-line and the ability it may give HF to just push down the field behind it with the HH twins. That's what they did against New Trier last week. And that's what Glenbard North with Justin Jackson did in 2012 to beat LA in Wilmette. And this year HF has twin Justin Jacksons, if you will. So maybe HF gets out to a quick start.
But I count only 7 players over 250 on the HF roster. New Trier last week only had 4. No wonder the Harley-Hamptons each scored 3 touchdowns last week. New Trier got pushed around. But LA has 13 players who are over 250. Ben Leroy is one of them, but the rest of the guys are big and smart too. LA may not need as many two-way players. They can keep sending in rested players in to give the regulars a break. Once the HF starters get tired, then the game is on. If they never do, then maybe HF wins. But my bet is that weariness will become a factor for HF, their offense will slow down, LA's offense will get onto the field sooner in the second half, and the Ramblers come from behind to win.
Every time I hear the words "chip on their shoulder", "momentum" or any other BS catch phrase or cliche I want to puke. Does the general public not understand that players give %100 effort all the time what determines if a team wins is roughly 85% talent/matchups/coaching and 15% catching breaks/luck.
You show me a player who needs extra motivation to give 100% effort and I'll find that player a seat on the bench.
My opinion is LA wins because they have better players/coaching and if they loose it's not because HF had a chip on their should or wanted it more it's because
A. HF has better talent than LA or
B. HF caught some breaks.
You show me a player who needs extra motivation to give 100% effort and I'll find that player a seat on the bench.
My opinion is LA wins because they have better players/coaching and if they loose it's not because HF had a chip on their should or wanted it more it's because
A. HF has better talent than LA or
B. HF caught some breaks.
I simply forgot to post my 1980 HF Russians vs the 1980 LA Americans thread.
To me, this is a pretty easy game to discuss, but not to pick a winner. It simply comes down to LA's defense being able to contain HF's offense. IMO, i think they will. Here's why:
HF played two teams this season which i put in the Good, better than average category, Brook and LWE (brook improved at the end of the season mostly on defense, which is the point of this point). Against these teams, HF scored 22 and 28 respectfully. IMO, LA's defense is better than both of these, and will keep HF's offense under or at 28 points.
Offensively, HF has not seen a team even close to LA's offense. LA mixes the pass and run better than any team in the state. That said, I do not think that HF's defense will be overwhelmed by LA's attack on offense. On the other hand, I do believe LA has faced an offense as good as HF's - or at least near it in Rice and I do believe LA has faced a defense as good as HF - or at least near it in MC. In both games, LA crushed their opponent.
Lastly, we know HF can be beat. We do not know that about LA.
35-21 LA
Slightly off topic, but you have to remember that LA was pretty banged up for that game following it's quarterfinal against Palatine.
These are kids we are talking about, they most certainly do NOT give 100% all of the time. The fact that people still regurgitate that thought is mind blowing to me. Before games kids will get cocky, overconfident, distracted, discouraged etc etc etc. You can then watch the ebs and flows of each game and see many of those same traits on display throughout the course of one game. Especially kids these days, watch them walk out onto the field overconfident, watch some walk out already defeated, watch some give up when the other team goes up or makes a big play, watch some panic when they make a mistake, it's mind blowing that people still think they give 100% every play and that they don't need motivation. THEY ARE KIDS IN 2015.
HF played a very easy schedule. The only good team they beat was LWE. Bolingbrook was 4- 4 and not good. Stagg, lockport, joliet central, and west are all garbage. Stevenson and Sandburg were average. Loyola played all good/great teams other than Fenwick and the wolfpack, but even they are far better than a stagg or joliet toilet school. Loyola could probably beat some small community colleges. They do everything perfectly, like clockwork.HF will be exposed as mediocre. Glenbard west only scored 7 points against MC...loyola scored 49. This is the best ihsa team since the 85 flyers. I really think this loyola team is unbeatable. I do not even like the ramblers but hard to deny their utter dominance of EVERY opponent.
Agree 100%!. Emotion and motivation play a huge part in High School Football! A more talented team may get punched in the mouth early and never recover. We've all seen this happen. It's how they deal with adversity throughout a game or a season. The teams that are mentally strong usually overcome and are successful.
You would call a 3-6 Providence a good team? They didn't beat one team with more than 4 wins. The three teams they beat had a combined record of 10-16 and non of them made the playoffs. You would call West Aurora good? Really? They were 5-4 and didn't beat one team with a winning percentage of .500 or better. As a matter of fact the teams they beat had a combined record of 10-35 and none of those teams made the playoffs either. They then promptly got spanked in the first round of the playoffs.
If you are going to talk about crap teams mention all of them please.
Agree on the statement about these being just kids.
They have other things going on in their lives besides football, girlfriends etc.
Doing a game once and the QB was having a really bad day. I could hear the head coach talking too someone on his head phones. So naturally I could only hear half the conversation.
HC: He is having some problems today
he must now be listening
HC: We don't have another quarterback
listening
HC : he had a fight with his girlfriend before the game
This is how the conversation went them discussing the QB and his fight with his girlfriend
So remember what is all comes down to is these still are just 16-17-18 year old young men and sometimes life gets in the way
They have other things going on in their lives besides football, girlfriends etc.
Doing a game once and the QB was having a really bad day. I could hear the head coach talking too someone on his head phones. So naturally I could only hear half the conversation.
HC: He is having some problems today
he must now be listening
HC: We don't have another quarterback
listening
HC : he had a fight with his girlfriend before the game
This is how the conversation went them discussing the QB and his fight with his girlfriend
So remember what is all comes down to is these still are just 16-17-18 year old young men and sometimes life gets in the way
You are dumb. PC suffered injuries and gave loyola their closest game all year. Who cares? HF would lose to rice, oswego, mt carmel, and loyola too. Strength of schedule. Loyola can't control their 1st round pick you idiot. If you are a number one seed you are going to play a 5-4 team. Moron.
Gannicus, why so angry? No one here hates you.
You can be better than this. You really can.
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It will come down to who has the fewest turnovers and penalties AND if the game is close the coaching/play-calling to ensure the victory.
OH PLEASE! They probably wouldn't accept you and you've been angry since.
Gannicus:
Yes you DO follow here. Resurrect whichever past name you have used: fratboy, CatholicBluePride, BigPapaSmurf, Storm Shadow, Killer Croc, Alley Viper or Montini James, it is still YOU.
You WANT to get caught.
I guess it's possible that not every kid is like the ones I grew up with or had the pleasure of playing with. I guess I kind of feel sorry for kids nowadays
HF's vulnerability is its defense, especially up front, where they are very small. But they are fast, and the scheme is classic cover-2. They are happy to let you dink and dunk, because they think you eventually will make a mistake. When push comes to shove, HF will bring in its big horses from the offense to try to get the meaningful stops. I think LA will be able to score, but it will take some time, at least early in the game.
As to HF's offense, I think you have to make it one dimensional. You have to make Bryce Gray beat you. Put 8 men in the box and even bring an extra blitzer from time to time. Gray has not had to win a game with his arm, ever. I'm not sure he can do it. HF will still try to pound the HH twins, and they will get some yards, but they won't get the big plays (because of the 8 men in the box). I don't think Gray will throw interceptions, but I don't think he will throw a bunch of completions either. So HF's offense will "stall" (by its standards). It will have to march the ball down the field, rather than having 3-play scoring drives that take about a minute and a half.
I think it will be close through 3 quarters (something like 28 - 21 favoring LA). HF will then be forced to take some chances; maybe there will be a special teams breakdown or a couple of bad penalties to either stop an HF drive or keep an LA drive alive. And in the end, I think LA will pull away in the 4th and win 42 - 28. But the game will be a lot closer than the final score will indicate.
As to HF's offense, I think you have to make it one dimensional. You have to make Bryce Gray beat you. Put 8 men in the box and even bring an extra blitzer from time to time. Gray has not had to win a game with his arm, ever. I'm not sure he can do it. HF will still try to pound the HH twins, and they will get some yards, but they won't get the big plays (because of the 8 men in the box). I don't think Gray will throw interceptions, but I don't think he will throw a bunch of completions either. So HF's offense will "stall" (by its standards). It will have to march the ball down the field, rather than having 3-play scoring drives that take about a minute and a half.
I think it will be close through 3 quarters (something like 28 - 21 favoring LA). HF will then be forced to take some chances; maybe there will be a special teams breakdown or a couple of bad penalties to either stop an HF drive or keep an LA drive alive. And in the end, I think LA will pull away in the 4th and win 42 - 28. But the game will be a lot closer than the final score will indicate.
Dr. You go get him. Great response. It's funny latley we are agreeing on a lot of things. This game is huge and I believe either one of these teams could win the game but the way these LA fans are talking they are making me lean towards HF!
"but the way these LA fans are talking they are making me lean towards HF!" Could you please give examples? I haven't seen any LA supporters write any obnoxious or over confident posts. Or are you just talking out of your arse?
While I think Gannicus is spirited in his support, I think most of us LA faithful are respectful of the skills of HF. If they strike early and gain a lead (say a 2 TD lead), then it'll be interesting how LA reacts since they haven't really been in a come-from-behind position all year (iirc). I think it'll be a close game if the weather is wet and LAs passing game is stiffled but if it's a dry decent weather football day I think LAs dual threat pass/run offense will be too much for HFs defense. Plus I agree with others that HF hasn't really seen defense like LAs all year. I think it'll be an interesting and exciting game and I'm looking forward to it.
PS if GD93/Maszek was commenting on the awesomeness of HF in this thread, I think you'd see a bit more balance between the rabid fan bases of both teams
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Corey: In the past I would have been right on it, ripping away. But I have to ask, what's the point? Arguments here never get won or lost. They just go on till one side or the other stops posting or Edgy throws it down the toilet. That's the reality here. Secondly, I would consider the source in deciding whether I should respond or not. At that time I ask myself, do I really want to go down into the sewer just because someone is already there? I have allowed myself to be dragged into the sewer before and I am not doing it here. I'd rather just walk by this one. I made my point in my earlier post. I do think Loyola will beat H-F. I also think it may not be that close in the end. Just my opinion though.
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