If you want to retain your recruiting grounds in Ohio, just hire away Ohio States D.C or Youngstown State's. PELINI as both have experience.
Hire Luke Fickell or Bo Pelini
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Luke Fickell is co defensive coordinator. Greg Schiano is running the show. Luke retains his title and 800 grand a year for being a good soldier during tattoo gate. Good recruiter, average coach.
What position are you talking about, head coach or DC? I doubt Pelini would swap a HC position for a DC position and would Finkle make a lateral move from a NC contender to a place struggling for an idenity?
Is Pelini a head coach somewhere now? I think that if Stoops makes it thru this year - that Pellini maybe given a nice offer to become the defensive co-ordinator here. But here is the real question for everyone - this is not to keep knocking Stoops either. If you have Gran and Hinshaw running the offense and you have Pellini heading the defense - what is it that Stoops can do for us then? He really doesn't seem to be the mastermind behind any game plans and game execution. I think he may be an outstanding Defensive Co-ordinator - but we haven't seen anything that makes me think he is a good head coach. Recruiter - seems to be excellent; Getting the AD and supporters behind him and fundraising - excellent; Quality man with great morals - excellent; organizer - probably very good; Loyalty - excellent; Will do the hard thing and replace a "friend" if needed - questionable; Game plan, in game clock management and game half time adjustments - POOR!
The question is can he learn to do the biggest thing a head coach must be good at? 25 years in the business and now 4th as head coach here doesn't indicate that he has this trait - at least not yet.
The old adage of a great coach versus a good coach - "He can take yours and beat his or he can take his and beat yours", I don't think this applies to Coach Stoops - I can only hope he proves me wrong - but I wouldn't bet on him at this point.
Go Big Blue!
Thanks, I didn't know he took that gig. Still think we could get him with the right $$$.
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I agree. He already looked good in blue
Dino Babers, on the other hand, will be a very solid head coach imo. He was successful at eastern Illinois and did some great things at Bowling Green (my alma mater).
Jimmy sweater vest. We'd keep our grounds in Ohio if not build on them and he's a proven winner loved by all his players.
Pelini is a joke! Why didn't he get a top job instead of Youngstown State?
To "punish" Nebraska and make them pay him as much as possible.
Had he taking a bigger job, the amount Nebraska owed him would have been reduced based on his new salary.
As it is, Nebraska has to pay him nearly $130,000 a month until February 2019 since his salary at YSU is so "low"
Head coach. Fickell could take some of Urban's assistants with him, maybe even one of their highly rated qbs who wont play and wants to transfer.
Pelini has experience as a H.C and while Nebraska may think 9 wins is a joke, it would be welcomed in Lexington.
Because he under-achieved at Nebraska - a top program. If a coach can't succeed at a top program he can't succeed here. And even when he can he still can't. Bill Curry says hi.
How does the OP propose getting rid of Stoops and his $12M buyout first? Let alone getting an accomplished coach to come here.
IMO the next 20 to 30 years will show than an average season of 9-4 at Nebraska in the 21st century is above average
The buyout is brought up at nauseam and it's a big number for sure. I think it has to be swallowed, it probably wont happen because football is just a distraction at Kentucky.
This ^^^^^ Pelini never won less than 9 games in any of his 7 seasons at Nebraska, including 3 seasons of winning 10 games. He was the DC at LSU in 2007 when the Tigers won the NC.
He would be an excellent choice for our HC if there is an opening here after this season.
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Hire Count Chocula and Oscar the Grouch to run your analytics and dline positions. There ya go big boy.
Sources on this claim? I wont hold my breath Brian Williams.
Or we can hire Kliff Kingsbury who is young AND experienced. Then you get recruiting ties to Texas. Ohio has not done jack for our recruiting. Lets just be honest.
Who is going to leave Urban Meyer's staff to work for Luke Fickell? That makes no sense!
Luke was 6-7 as a head coach at OSU. He was really painful to watch. Not head coach material. Failed as a defensive coordinator also. Defense was terrible Urbans first year. Brougt in Chris Ash and won a national championship. Ash moves on to Rutgers and Urban brings in Greg Schiano. Co coordinator title is a reward for being a good soldier.
The difference between firing Stoops at the end of this season and firing him at the end of next season amounts to about $125k per month for 3 1/2 years. The contract calls for monthly payments, not a lump sum.
That's part of it. Let me think of a way to say this, he isn't a media friendly guy, if he is thinking it, it comes out. Nebraska got spoiled when they were juicing and playing any criminal they could keep out of jail. Almost all their linemen were balding and had horrible complexions. Pelini isn't a great recruiter to begin with because he isn't one to kiss butt, add that to leaving the Big12 and cutting themselves off from their most fertile recruiting, Texas. He is a heck of a defensive coach, but he has a tendency to rub people the wrong way. Hiring him might be an upgrade, I won't comment on that, but UK recruiting would take a hit unless he hired a staff of great recruiters.
I would work to reduce the payout to less than half of that - which would probably happen, if not then I would make sure that whatever salary he gets as the top defensive co-ordinator be deducted from his payout. Finally, I would use the money from the additional ticket sales and stadium revenue the new coach will bring in next year and the year after - that alone should more than cover the full $12 million! Don't believe it - check the attendance from the first two years of Stoops and the last year of Joker's.
Go Big Blue!
There won't be a negotiation of Stoops' buyout unless he becomes caught up in some moral turpitude or cheating. And I don't think there would be a deduction of his next job's salary, either. His contract isn't set up that way.
Is his contract available to be seen by the public? If so, do you have a link - I would like to see how it is structured, to see what kind of deal Mitch made. By the way I was answering how to ZZ's question.
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Ok, Urban doesnt seem lto be sentimental about things like this but thats just my outside view. If he is as inept as reported, OSU might really be a family friendly place to keep such a buffoon on staff. Bravo Urban.
Near the bottom here:
https://hkm.com/football/contracts/mark-stoops/
It ain't good. But if it had worked out everyone would have loved it.
Looks like you're a Tech fan. You and I both know he isn't leaving that place unless he gets a big time program in his ear and that isn't a guarantee he would leave.
I REALLY wanted him before. Offensive genius and a good looking dude who can get big time recruits' moms to fall in love with him and sign with us.
The exact type of guy we need.
pretty funny the universal condemnation of that contract extension has now....the current problem is that the money is guaranteed, thus making it financially painful to fire him with 3 years left @ $4m each.
Back when it was signed it was condemned because Barnhart did not include a buyout if a big name program came & hired Stoops away! funny how perspectives change over time (and losses).
But even then, in general fans were happy at this step by the AD because for the 1st time showed football mattered, that generous finances were being committed to the sport, that we had a young winner & were doing all to keep him happy & keep him here.
Back when it was signed it was condemned because Barnhart did not include a buyout if a big name program came & hired Stoops away! funny how perspectives change over time (and losses).
But even then, in general fans were happy at this step by the AD because for the 1st time showed football mattered, that generous finances were being committed to the sport, that we had a young winner & were doing all to keep him happy & keep him here.
