History on the line vs Texas

[18IsTheMan]

Our longest ever losing streak in MBB is 14 games during the 1930-1931 season. We presently sit at 13 this season.

Lose to Texas, then we go to #15 Missouri looking to make history for our longest ever losing streak. This team is on the cusp of literally being the worst ever assembled in our history.

Personally, I think this team steps up when it counts and smokes the record. Make it 18 in a row and put that sucker out of reach forever.

 

[will110]

Our longest ever losing streak in MBB is 14 games during the 1930-1931 season. We presently sit at 13 this season.

Lose to Texas, then we go to #15 Missouri looking to make history for our longest ever losing streak. This team is on the cusp of literally being the worst ever assembled in our history.

Personally, I think this team steps up when it counts and smokes the record. Make it 18 in a row and put that sucker out of reach forever.

We hope that's out of reach forever. At least it should be out of our reach in our lifetime, considering the record is nearly a century old.

 

[will110]

I'll bet Gamecock Central posters back in '31 were saying "Fire Rock Norman!"

 

[will110]

Our longest ever losing streak in MBB is 14 games during the 1930-1931 season. We presently sit at 13 this season.

Lose to Texas, then we go to #15 Missouri looking to make history for our longest ever losing streak. This team is on the cusp of literally being the worst ever assembled in our history.

Personally, I think this team steps up when it counts and smokes the record. Make it 18 in a row and put that sucker out of reach forever.

Interestingly enough, we lost the first game of the 31-32 season as well, so the losing streak across seasons was 15 games.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Interestingly enough, we lost the first game of the 31-32 season as well, so the losing streak across seasons was 15 games.

We got this.

 

[Lurker123]

I think we should just expect wild fluctuations in sports now, due to rebuilding teams on a year to year basis.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Our longest ever losing streak in MBB is 14 games during the 1930-1931 season. We presently sit at 13 this season.

Lose to Texas, then we go to #15 Missouri looking to make history for our longest ever losing streak. This team is on the cusp of literally being the worst ever assembled in our history.

Personally, I think this team steps up when it counts and smokes the record. Make it 18 in a row and put that sucker out of reach forever.

We can boast the opposite of undefeated - totally defeated in 2025.

 

[will110]

I think we should just expect wild fluctuations in sports now, due to rebuilding teams on a year to year basis.

Wild fluctuations are one thing, going from 2nd place in the SEC to winless is another.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Wild fluctuations are one thing, going from 2nd place in the SEC to winless is another.

Yeah, I mean, to Lurker's point, I think we see with Lamont it's going to be year-to-year with the portal. But this is the biggest season-to-season drop-off in our program's history. Drop-off doesn't even begin to describe it. It's been a complete and total implosion. We may be having the worst season ever for a team who made the NCAAT the previous season. At the very least, one of the worst.

 

[will110]

Yeah, I mean, to Lurker's point, I think we see with Lamont it's going to be year-to-year with the portal. But this is the biggest season-to-season drop-off in our program's history. Drop-off doesn't even begin to describe it. It's been a complete and total implosion. We may be having the worst season ever for a team who made the NCAAT the previous season. At the very least, one of the worst.

Right, it's insane. The SEC being loaded is a big issue - there are NINE ranked teams in the SEC right now. It was always going to be a murderer's row. But that's no excuse for being this bad. Missed talent evaluations, poor coaching, poor development. There's really nothing good we can point to with this team.

That said, there's no reason it can't get better. Missouri was winless last year in conference, now they're 19-6 and #15 in the nation. All it takes is getting the right guys on the roster.

 

[Sweetwatergolf]

Our longest ever losing streak in MBB is 14 games during the 1930-1931 season. We presently sit at 13 this season.

Lose to Texas, then we go to #15 Missouri looking to make history for our longest ever losing streak. This team is on the cusp of literally being the worst ever assembled in our history.

Personally, I think this team steps up when it counts and smokes the record. Make it 18 in a row and put that sucker out of reach forever.

Your dislike of the LP hire is obvious. Who would be your choice of coach if the AD fires him? Then, how long would it be until the threads start with moving on to someone else?
Respect your opinion, my opinion is let's give LP time to do his job. Getting the right players to SC isn't easy. Many have mentioned he will need to hit the lottery on portal transfers to compete at the high level we all want. I concur also.

 

[Lurker123]

Wild fluctuations are one thing, going from 2nd place in the SEC to winless is another.

That is true. This is WAY beyond what we should expect, even in these wild west years.

 

[will110]

Your dislike of the LP hire is obvious. Who would be your choice of coach if the AD fires him? Then, how long would it be until the threads start with moving on to someone else?
Respect your opinion, my opinion is let's give LP time to do his job. Getting the right players to SC isn't easy. Many have mentioned he will need to hit the lottery on portal transfers to compete at the high level we all want. I concur also.

I'm not saying he needs to be fired now, but this season is a disaster. He's going to go into 2025/26 on the hot seat and deservedly so.

The one great season was special, but the bookend seasons around it have been really bad.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Your dislike of the LP hire is obvious. Who would be your choice of coach if the AD fires him? Then, how long would it be until the threads start with moving on to someone else?
Respect your opinion, my opinion is let's give LP time to do his job. Getting the right players to SC isn't easy. Many have mentioned he will need to hit the lottery on portal transfers to compete at the high level we all want. I concur also.

I think an easy cutoff for firing a coach is when, during their 3rd season, they match a nearly 100 year old record for longest losing streak.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I'm not saying he needs to be fired now, but this season is a disaster. He's going to go into 2025/26 on the hot seat and deservedly so.

The one great season was special, but the bookend seasons around it have been really bad.

I don't know if he needs to be fired or not. It would certainly not be unjustifiable given the calamitous nature of the season. However, those who say he deserves more time point to last year. I guess my question is why does one really good year outweigh one bad year and one utterly, historically disastrous year?

 

[will110]

I don't know if he needs to be fired or not. It would certainly not be unjustifiable given the calamitous nature of the season. However, those who say he deserves more time point to last year. I guess my question is why does one really good year outweigh one bad year and one utterly, historically disastrous year?

Agreed, if he's fired after an 0fer season, that wouldn't be unjust.

If I were making the call, which doesn't amount to much since I don't have any behind the scenes info, I'd lean towards giving him another year to figure things out. He proved he can bounce back from one bad season by putting together one of the best seasons in school history. Can he do that again?

If there isn't significant improvement next year I'd move on.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Agreed, if he's fired after an 0fer season, that wouldn't be unjust.

If I were making the call, which doesn't amount to much since I don't have any behind the scenes info, I'd lean towards giving him another year to figure things out. He proved he can bounce back from one bad season by putting together one of the best seasons in school history. Can he do that again?

If there isn't significant improvement next year I'd move on.

Yeah, I could go either way and not be upset. If this were a normal bad season, on the order of 4-14 in conference play, I'd say it was a no-brainer to bring him back on the weight of last season. The one thing that makes is plausible to fire him is simply how disastrous the season has gone. And also considering the team has not progressed at all, and may actually be getting worse, which points to coaching.

We don't have a rich legacy at stake, so there's not much risk in bringing him back.

If things don't work out with Paris, it would take me less than 5 seconds to dial Gregg Marshall's number. He's still young enough (61) and enough time has transpired from whatever happened at WSU, and he's a SC native. Dude is a NCAAT machine. I don't think what he did at WSU is all that bad anyway, but I'm an old fogey.

 

[KingWard]

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Our longest ever losing streak in MBB is 14 games during the 1930-1931 season. We presently sit at 13 this season.

Lose to Texas, then we go to #15 Missouri looking to make history for our longest ever losing streak. This team is on the cusp of literally being the worst ever assembled in our history.

Personally, I think this team steps up when it counts and smokes the record. Make it 18 in a row and put that sucker out of reach forever.

At some point since the Auburn game in Columbia, this team has bought into its intrinsic shortcomings and has yielded to them. This dubious "record" is unlikely to be averted.

 

[will110]

Yeah, I could go either way and not be upset. If this were a normal bad season, on the order of 4-14 in conference play, I'd say it was a no-brainer to bring him back on the weight of last season. The one thing that makes is plausible to fire him is simply how disastrous the season has gone. And also considering the team has not progressed at all, and may actually be getting worse, which points to coaching.

We don't have a rich legacy at stake, so there's not much risk in bringing him back.

If things don't work out with Paris, it would take me less than 5 seconds to dial Gregg Marshall's number. He's still young enough (61) and enough time has transpired from whatever happened at WSU, and he's a SC native. Dude is a NCAAT machine. I don't think what he did at WSU is all that bad anyway, but I'm an old fogey.

Marshall hasn't coached since 2020, and the college basketball landscape is VERY different today than what it was only 5 years ago. I wonder if he'd be able to adjust. Probably worth kicking the tires at least.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Marshall hasn't coached since 2020, and the college basketball landscape is VERY different today than what it was only 5 years ago. I wonder if he'd be able to adjust. Probably worth kicking the tires at least.

Yeah, I dunno about that.

I feel like with basketball especially, it's about teaching the game. He was masterful at that at WSU, coaching lesser talented teams into the tournament and advancing past the opening round. I feel like if you can coach and teach, that translates no matter the era. He's proved he can with lesser talent.

I know it ain't happening, but why not roll the dice on an absolute proven winner who's done his time in purgatory? It's a pretty short list of available coaches out there who are a virtual NCAAT lock. The only shot we have to get a coach of Marshall's caliber is b/c he's perceived to be damaged goods. Otherwise, we're rolling the dice on coaches like Paris.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

I still say the new AD is the wild card. They aren't paid to sit around on their hands. Think of it from his perspective. If you "wait and see" and give another season to the current coach, there's only 3 outcomes and 2 of them aren't good.

1) You get another abysmal season - leading to "why didn't you fire him last year?"
2) You get a mediocre season, but better than this season - leading to a murky decision either way
3) You get an amazing turn around and all is well.....

If having literally the worst season in history doesn't give you the green light to hire a new coach, then I don't know what to tell you as an AD.
The decision couldn't be more clear, IMHO. I'm not saying the current coach doesn't deserve another season....I'm simply looking at it from the new AD's perspective.

 

[1vagamecock]

I can't see any way back for him.
If he flips 100% of the roster (and that's what he needs) it will take a couple years to win again and I don't think the leash is that long for him.
This team looks like a poorly coached team that is starting to look towards the end of the season.
I see no hope on the horizon.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I still say the new AD is the wild card. They aren't paid to sit around on their hands. Think of it from his perspective. If you "wait and see" and give another season to the current coach, there's only 3 outcomes and 2 of them aren't good.

1) You get another abysmal season - leading to "why didn't you fire him last year?"
2) You get a mediocre season, but better than this season - leading to a murky decision either way
3) You get an amazing turn around and all is well.....

If having literally the worst season in history doesn't give you the green light to hire a new coach, then I don't know what to tell you as an AD.
The decision couldn't be more clear, IMHO. I'm not saying the current coach doesn't deserve another season....I'm simply looking at it from the new AD's perspective.

Yes, the historically bad nature of the season is the wild card. If this were a garden variety bad season, it would be a different discussion.

I can't see any way back for him.
If he flips 100% of the roster (and that's what he needs) it will take a couple years to win again and I don't think the leash is that long for him.
This team looks like a poorly coached team that is starting to look towards the end of the season.
I see no hope on the horizon.

I do think the writing is on the wall. This season is a combination of a very untalented roster and very poor coaching.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Wild fluctuations are one thing, going from 2nd place in the SEC to winless is another.

FSU football established the new portal trend of how poor portal selections can break a season with the signing of DJ

 

[Piscis]

The most likely scenario is that we will find a way to win 3 or 4 games late to lock in a terrible season but not break a record for losses and have that to laughingly point to as a "special season". Not even being able to lose on an elite level is the most gamecock thing ever.

 

[will110]

I still say the new AD is the wild card. They aren't paid to sit around on their hands. Think of it from his perspective. If you "wait and see" and give another season to the current coach, there's only 3 outcomes and 2 of them aren't good.

1) You get another abysmal season - leading to "why didn't you fire him last year?"
2) You get a mediocre season, but better than this season - leading to a murky decision either way
3) You get an amazing turn around and all is well.....

If having literally the worst season in history doesn't give you the green light to hire a new coach, then I don't know what to tell you as an AD.
The decision couldn't be more clear, IMHO. I'm not saying the current coach doesn't deserve another season....I'm simply looking at it from the new AD's perspective.

Interestingly enough, I just read this article about Missouri's turnaround from 0-18 to NCAA tournament team.

How Missouri and Dennis Gates launched a storybook turnaround from an 0-18 SEC nightmare

Instead of stripping the program down to its studs after a winless conference season, Gates held on to his core and is thriving in Year 3.

www.nytimes.com

I'm not sure if the two situations are similar, though, because Missouri's season was decimated by injury. Once things went bad, they just spiraled out of control. The coach didn't lose the locker room.

 

[kidrobinski]

Yes, the historically bad nature of the season is the wild card. If this were a garden variety bad season, it would be a different discussion.



I do think the writing is on the wall. This season is a combination of a very untalented roster and very poor coaching.

So…last season was a combination of a very talented roster and very poor coaching. Or a very untalented roster and very good coaching. This season we took talented guys and poorly coached them to airmail passes, play hot potato on offense, lose balls out of bounds, brick crucial free throws, and commit twenty turnovers a game. Or we took untalented guys with bogus resumes and coached them to be in a position to win, a hairs breadth away at the end against multiple highly ranked teams in a league with five teams in the top ten. I’m so confused.

Ward has it correct. Pretty much all else is like unto yard dogs barking at the moon.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Interestingly enough, I just read this article about Missouri's turnaround from 0-18 to NCAA tournament team.

How Missouri and Dennis Gates launched a storybook turnaround from an 0-18 SEC nightmare

Instead of stripping the program down to its studs after a winless conference season, Gates held on to his core and is thriving in Year 3.

www.nytimes.com

I'm not sure if the two situations are similar, though, because Missouri's season was decimated by injury. Once things went bad, they just spiraled out of control. The coach didn't lose the locker room.

It's all similar right up to the point of my entire agument --

Their AD was hired in May of 2024. Their horrible season was already in the books when he was hired. Whereas our AD has had to sit through our horrible season. My argument is all about the AD and his perceived (possibly) look of "doing nothing" - and letting it continue. It's a tough spot for the AD, imho.

The arguments about teams and coaches is one thing - taking it to the AD level is a whole other animal. In short: We'll see.

 

[will110]

So…last season was a combination of a very talented roster and very poor coaching. Or a very untalented roster and very good coaching. This season we took talented guys and poorly coached them to airmail passes, play hot potato on offense, lose balls out of bounds, brick crucial free throws, and commit twenty turnovers a game. Or we took untalented guys with bogus resumes and coached them to be in a position to win, a hairs breadth away at the end against multiple highly ranked teams in a league with five teams in the top ten. I’m so confused.

Ward has it correct. Pretty much all else is like unto yard dogs barking at the moon.

I don't know that I've ever seen a team worse at the basic fundamentals than this one.

 

[18IsTheMan]

So…last season was a combination of a very talented roster and very poor coaching. Or a very untalented roster and very good coaching. This season we took talented guys and poorly coached them to airmail passes, play hot potato on offense, lose balls out of bounds, brick crucial free throws, and commit twenty turnovers a game. Or we took untalented guys with bogus resumes and coached them to be in a position to win, a hairs breadth away at the end against multiple highly ranked teams in a league with five teams in the top ten. I’m so confused.

Ward has it correct. Pretty much all else is like unto yard dogs barking at the moon.

All I know is that right now with Paris, the bad outweighs the good…And it’s not close.

 

[Sweetwatergolf]

Yeah, I dunno about that.

I feel like with basketball especially, it's about teaching the game. He was masterful at that at WSU, coaching lesser talented teams into the tournament and advancing past the opening round. I feel like if you can coach and teach, that translates no matter the era. He's proved he can with lesser talent.

I know it ain't happening, but why not roll the dice on an absolute proven winner who's done his time in purgatory? It's a pretty short list of available coaches out there who are a virtual NCAAT lock. The only shot we have to get a coach of Marshall's caliber is b/c he's perceived to be damaged goods. Otherwise, we're rolling the dice on coaches like Paris.

I think GM has chosen to stay away with the buyout etc. I was looking at available coaches, I don't see any, including GM, that would make us a NCAAT lock. I'll close saying it would definitely make a splash if he did come to Columbia.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I think GM has chosen to stay away with the buyout etc. I was looking at available coaches, I don't see any, including GM, that would make us a NCAAT lock. I'll close saying it would definitely make a splash if he did come to Columbia.

Yeah, I can't find anything about why he's not coaching. No matter what else happened, though, he was obviously a good basketball teacher and coach. Can't say we'd be a lock every season, but I look at Bob Knight at Texas Tech. They had been to the NCAAT 4 times in 25 seasons. Knight took them 4 times in 7 seasons. I'm pretty confident Marshall could do something like that here. He's just a good basketball coach and teacher.

Ironically, after Fogler left, I felt strongly that we should pursue Knight, but I guess we were all skittish b/c he grabbed a kid by the arm or something. Instead, we settled for NIT Dave. That was a massive missed opportunity.

But, yeah, it would make quite a splash if we hired him. Would certainly generate buzz.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Our longest ever losing streak in MBB is 14 games during the 1930-1931 season. We presently sit at 13 this season.

Lose to Texas, then we go to #15 Missouri looking to make history for our longest ever losing streak. This team is on the cusp of literally being the worst ever assembled in our history.

Personally, I think this team steps up when it counts and smokes the record. Make it 18 in a row and put that sucker out of reach forever.

Just when I started believing in this team, they totally collapse and let me down.

Had a chance to do something special this season. Make history.

 

[Viennacock]

Just when I started believing in this team, they totally collapse and let me down.

Had a chance to do something special this season. Make history.

Settle down Chaz!