"Hit the road, Lamont" . . . agree or disagree?

PrestonyteParrot

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If his incoming recruits stick with him after this horrible display, I expect next year to be much improved.
Clearly, immediate playing time is available.
 
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If he beats Clemson again next season that will tell us. The two times he beat CU his teams had losing seasons.
 

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Disagree. Sometimes it is the Jimmies and Joes. In transfer portal era you can have surprises both positive and negative.
 

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He hasn't recruited lights out or anything but I remain intrigued by some of the core pieces of his vision for the team, if he can retain them. His seat is definitely hot as hell and he probably knows next season is really important to at least show the team will compete. With Ugusuk, Butler, Conyers, Scott, and Ellis, you have some guys there that, on paper, look like a squad. There's always the portal as well. Obviously, like everyone else, I am not impressed with what the team has done this season. The general consensus still is that he is safe for another year or two regardless of what anyone thinks. I am a huge advocate of supporting staffs, building continuity, and developing chemistry, but that doesn't mean I'm sold on him as a coach. With the way this season has played out, you could absolutely justify firing him right now.
 
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Disagree, he has very few joe's, but I think some coming in next year, especially a freshman point guard, and I would like to see how it progresses.
 

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As others have expressed, it doesn't matter, he isn't going any where. But, his seat is on fire, and rightfully so. Even if it's "the joes," the buck stops at the coach. The teams inability to do basic things properly is on Paris. I am sure he is teaching, but they aren't learning.
 

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As others have expressed, it doesn't matter, he isn't going any where. But, his seat is on fire, and rightfully so. Even if it's "the joes," the buck stops at the coach. The teams inability to do basic things properly is on Paris. I am sure he is teaching, but they aren't learning.
All this is likely the case.
 
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One more thought...

I am not anti-Paris. Seems like a good dude. I hope he rights the ship and has success here. Having said that, a coach who needs players that need less coaching in order to win a few conference games is not confidence inspiring.
 
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Whose fault is it that he has a roster very nearly devoid of talent? It's not as if this roster was thrust upon him through no choice of his own. HE hand-picked these players.

Always cracks me up when dumbo fans give a coach credit for a talented roster and then excuse him when the roster is devoid of talent.

"All he needs is a talented roster!" Well, shoot, you could say that for almost any D1 basketball coach. What kind of lame-o, idiot rationale is that? In college sports, building the roster is the coach's job. He has full autonomy in this respect. If a roster sucks, it's because the coach did crappy evals. Lamont did an awful, awful, awful job constructing this year's team. And it doesn't appear they have been very well coached since they arrived.

At this point, there is considerably more reason to believe Lamont is a bad coach than a good coach. Simple matter of fact. Maybe he can reverse it, but at this point there is no evidence he is building anything, and we are trending hard in the wrong direction.
 
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Watching a Tar Heel podcast and they seem to believe their problem is they are being outspent.Hard to believe but they were saying more money would improve the roster.Is that Lamont’s problem.Is he underfunded or is his talent evaluation poor?
Cam Scott is obviously a big miss.
 
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Whose fault is it that he has a roster very nearly devoid of talent? It's not as if this roster was thrust upon him through no choice of his own. HE hand-picked these players.

Always cracks me up when dumbo fans give a coach credit for a talented roster and then excuse him when the roster is devoid of talent.

"All he needs is a talented roster!" Well, shoot, you could say that for almost any D1 basketball coach. What kind of lame-o, idiot rationale is that? In college sports, building the roster is the coach's job. He has full autonomy in this respect. If a roster sucks, it's because the coach did crappy evals. Lamont did an awful, awful, awful job constructing this year's team. And it doesn't appear they have been very well coached since they arrived.

At this point, there is considerably more reason to believe Lamont is a bad coach than a good coach. Simple matter of fact. Maybe he can reverse it, but at this point there is no evidence he is building anything, and we are trending hard in the wrong direction.
They listed to amount of NIL money spent on Mens BBall teams in the SEC and we were dead last. I think that is what Donati spoke to when he mentioned that Paris needed more support. Given that fact, we probably are overachieving playing close contests with top 5 teams.
 

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They listed to amount of NIL money spent on Mens BBall teams in the SEC and we were dead last. I think that is what Donati spoke to when he mentioned that Paris needed more support. Given that fact, we probably are overachieving playing close contests with top 5 teams.

Oh, boo hoo. NIL has just repackaged the age old "buying players" excuse to explain away failure.

Good coaches win games. Period.

If you're telling me he can't succeed apart from NIL, then he might as well go ahead and resign today because, news flash: we will never be competitive in NIL for men's basketball. Just ain't happening. We've fought and scratched our way to respectability in NIL for football, and our fan base cares deeply and passionately about football. Except for a fringe minority, the passion for MBB just ain't there.
 
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Oh, boo hoo. NIL has just repackaged the age old "buying players" excuse to explain away failure.

Good coaches win games. Period.

If you're telling me he can't succeed apart from NIL, then he might as well go ahead and resign today because, news flash: we will never be competitive in NIL for men's basketball. Just ain't happening. We've fought and scratched our way to respectability in NIL for football, and our fan base cares deeply and passionately about football. Except for a fringe minority, the passion for MBB just ain't there.
False. And silly.

Paris isn't going anywhere, nor should he be. Relax and let the new age play out. If the gratification isn't instant enough for you, don't watch.
 
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I wish Tanner knew a little more basketball and could see the rising star of Pat Kelsey when he could have hired him.His enthusiasm would just what this program needed.But that ship has sailed.As things stand Lamont will have next year to show this year was a fluke.I like Lamont and think he represents Carolina well ,but he has to improve the roster or his leash will be short.
 

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Watching a Tar Heel podcast and they seem to believe their problem is they are being outspent.Hard to believe but they were saying more money would improve the roster.Is that Lamont’s problem.Is he underfunded or is his talent evaluation poor?
Cam Scott is obviously a big miss.
Don't you think the Belichick hire is a sign they are turning their sights on becoming a football school? ;)
 

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Watching a Tar Heel podcast and they seem to believe their problem is they are being outspent.Hard to believe but they were saying more money would improve the roster.Is that Lamont’s problem.Is he underfunded or is his talent evaluation poor?
Cam Scott is obviously a big miss.
‘Cam Scott is obviously a big miss?’

You guys are delusional to the nth. You demand that which you will not receive.

Geez.
 
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False. And silly.

Paris isn't going anywhere, nor should he be. Relax and let the new age play out. If the gratification isn't instant enough for you, don't watch.
by instant gratification do you mean winning a game? Isn’t that sort of the premise of sports? If the team was 4-7 in conference and a couple missed plays away from “gratification” then I understand the argument. Ha they haven’t won a single game in conference play.
 
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Who knows how the great Bellicheck experiment will work out?It was a real surprise to me to hear NC people claim being underfunded in hoops as problem.
 

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The great Coach K was 10-17 and 11-17 in his second and third year at Duke. Can you believe they let him coach a 4th year? Should have been long gone.
 

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The great Coach K was 10-17 and 11-17 in his second and third year at Duke. Can you believe they let him coach a 4th year? Should have been long gone.
Back then there was integrity and commitment and the notion of "building something" actually applied.

None of those notions apply anymore. Like comparing apples to camels. The season isn't over yet but I do tend to agree that he needs to be shown the door. The buck stops with him. No excuses. Next.
 

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Back then there was integrity and commitment and the notion of "building something" actually applied.

None of those notions apply anymore. Like comparing apples to camels. The season isn't over yet but I do tend to agree that he needs to be shown the door. The buck stops with him. No excuses. Next.
No excuses yet you offer one up to coach K. Makes sense.
 

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The great Coach K was 10-17 and 11-17 in his second and third year at Duke. Can you believe they let him coach a 4th year? Should have been long gone.
how did we arrive at comparing paris to coach k? for every coach k, there are hundreds of coaches who didn't become legends. More of an anomaly than a valid example.
 
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They listed to amount of NIL money spent on Mens BBall teams in the SEC and we were dead last. I think that is what Donati spoke to when he mentioned that Paris needed more support. Given that fact, we probably are overachieving playing close contests with top 5 teams.

Who listed out the NIL expenditures? I would love to see actual numbers on the football expenditures.

To date, everything has been second hand.
 

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how did we arrive at comparing paris to coach k? for every coach k, there are hundreds of coaches who didn't become legends. More of an anomaly than a valid example. How do you find that one coach if you fire a young coach every couple of years?
Firing a young coach after a down season is pretty short-sighted. Beaner is a prime example. The majority of this board wanted him gone earlier this season. Fortunately, you Jokers aren't running the program.
 

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Firing a young coach after a down season is pretty short-sighted. Beaner is a prime example. The majority of this board wanted him gone earlier this season. Fortunately, you Jokers aren't running the program.
I never said to fire him. Go back and read the rest of my posts before you call me a joker :). Anyways, I think the majority agrees with you here that we don't want a revolving door of coaches and would like to let them develop and build. That said, the metric we're all sort of evaluating here is that the team is 0-9 and last in the SEC. I mean there's not a whole lot of wiggle room for argument there. As for how the Beamer situation was handled, Beamer won. He nearly had the team in the playoffs and will be preseason top-15 next year. His situation was similar to Paris in that most expected him to get another year or two regardless. One won, his seat cooled off. The other hasn't won, his seat is hot.
 

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False. And silly.

Paris isn't going anywhere, nor should he be. Relax and let the new age play out. If the gratification isn't instant enough for you, don't watch.

Like it or not, there is considerably more evidence at this point that Lamont is a bad coach here than a good coach. He orchestrated one of our poorer seasons 2 seasons ago. This season, he's treading on Steve Newton territory and may yet be the architect of our worst ever season in the SEC.

Last year was great, but it's looking anomalous at the moment.

To look at it any other away requires blindly disregarding facts, but that's how most on here operate.
 
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