Holgorsen from ESPNs pov
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That's some earth-shattering insight right there.
Your mommy wants her laptop back.
Your mommy is borrowing mine to let you type your silly proclamations.
There's not much to say when you are arguing with ignorance. Someone that claims most of the 2009 Big East would have finished with the same record as WVU this season in the BIG 12.
Cincinnati, WVU and Pitt might have been able to accomplish that but Rutgers, UConn or USF didn't stand a chance against WVU's current schedule. Uconn of 2009 came in 5th in the Big East but only beat the Big 12s then LAST place Baylor by 8. Pitt couldn't beat NC State that year and only managed a 2 pt win over 6-6 Notre Dame so they weren't world beaters either even with 10 wins for the season. Rutgers schedule we already looked at--they had no notable wins and most certainly would have struggled with the Kansas State's and Texas Tech's of this years BIG 12 not to mention the top four in the conference. WVU that year lost by 11 to an improving but not great Auburn, and was soundly defeated in a bowl by a then 6 win FSU--that FSU isn't any better than todays Texas Tech or Kansas State on the field.
You and the nutzo you follow are mistaking a couple of schools in the old Big East in any season with a conference full of good programs.
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You are looking at everything again in a vacuum. Remember what I said about different tiers of teams in CFB, most of the teams can beat each other on any given day.
If you want to pick out 1 game scenarios and apply them to why a conference is great or bad then lets look at OU this year. They needed 2 OT to beat Tennessee, and lost to Texas. The same Texas that lost 38-3 to ND, 50-7 to TCU, 24-0 to Iowa State. No single team outside of possibly 1 team per season is ever completely consistent and steamrolls their schedule as they should.
We're not in the Big East any more.
The first quote is what I previously said in this thread. Argue with someone else.
You are the one that is arguing, trying desperately to twist and turn so that you can bash WVUs coaching staff and ignore the situation WVU now finds itself in.
The old Big East is NOT the same conference as today's BIG 12. Once you stop denying this basic truth, understanding will come much easier to you.
I don't have to twist anything. We have two coaches on the staff that aren't very good, I'll not name them. 15-21 conference record in 4 years speaks for itself. Six games below .500. But hey, if we go 8-1 next year in conference, we'll be above .500.
I never said it was you clown, Ive clearly said about 5 times now the Big XII is better, the degree to which it is better is the point of discussion. You lack reading comprehension
It doesn't matter how good the Big East was then or the Big 12 is now.....WVU can't control those outside forces. The only thing that matters is the WVU program and it's potential in the Big 12. In 5 years under Dana the program is what it is. What upsets many of the boosters and fans is that WVU is currently under achieving. (yes fans and boosters were upset which is why Lyons had to make a statement in the first place) It's not about some entitlement as fans or an unrealistic expectation to win or be in the playoff every year like some make it out to be. No one thinks that. It's not even about an expectation for what the final record should be. If you really watch the games and understand competition you realize WVU is under achieving over the past 3 or 4 years. Since 2013 WVU is loosing a net of 2 games each year that it is capable of and should be winning. OSU and KSU this year. TCU, KSU & Texas in 2014. Maryland, Texas Tech, Iowa State and Kansas in 2013. It's not about the final record as much as it's about playing to our ability. That was the same issue with Stewart and the same issue with Nehlen through the last half of the 90's.
Everyone gets that some on here really like Dana and that he's living up to your expectations. But some of us see the potential for WVU to do better and think if Dana could do it he would have by now.
Everyone gets that some on here really like Dana and that he's living up to your expectations. But some of us see the potential for WVU to do better and think if Dana could do it he would have by now.
I think its a little extreme to chastise someone for labeling a guy who we know nothing about except he was a special teams Guru not defensive guru.....before he came to WVU and likes to "RELAX". I mean really....we get you love DH....but to nit pick about his asistants....Its well known Holgs likes to party....I don't think its a bad thing....I do though when you hire a guy as your defensive coordinator who had no prior experience aside from your suggestion that he was "well known"....DH is the only coach assistants don't want to stick around to coach under....they actually go to other jobs to be someone else's assistant.
Defend him all you want. He's had five years....he can't find a QB to save his job....he took an Orange Bowl Champion and went 7-6 in the Big 12....including a Humiliation versus Syracuse in the Pinstripe Bowl. If he is that Bad....he hires some Bad assistants too...Now that's not negativity thats the Facts.
TCU has adapted with no problem to the Big 12 they came from the mountain west they are also well coached. Baylor has competed well in the conference they are also well coached. Both TCU and Baylor have recruiting classes that are similar to wvu over the last 4 years look at rivals you will see it to be so. A good coach makes wise choices when he hires assistants Joe deforest had no experience as a defensive coordinator. Maybe if holgorson would have made smart choices from the get go you wouldn't have to continue to defend his incompetence with the lame excuse of the conference change. Look what happened when we played Syracuse in the pinstipe we still got spanked. This team isn't gonna compete for anything until he gets a division 1 qb which is also his fault for his inability to recruit one
Good post. You are exactly right about the 2011 and 2010 seasons. They were eerily similar. It took a 21-20 win over Pitt, a last play blocked FG win at Cincy and the miracle in Tampa to get to the Orange Bowl. The OB was great because we got the momentum on the great fumble return and everything went our way. Think about the awesome runs tightroping the sidelines, the Boyd replay fumble, the refs not whistling the play dead on the fumble return (which would have happened much of the time) and Clemson contributed with two turnovers resulting in TDs at the end of the half. Then Clemson quit. I enjoyed it immensely, but in no way did I believe in my heart we would beat Clemson by 5 TDs most of the time we played them. It was great fun, but not indicative of the relative strength of the two teams.
We lost two BE games in 2011 just as in 2010. We lost by 26 to Syracuse and lost to Louisville. We beat Pitt by one, Cincy by three, and USF by 3. Our OOC loss was to LSU in both years. In 2010 we lost by 6 at LSU. In 2011 we lost to LSU at home by 26.
I don't completely agree with all your thoughts, but you are on point about the 2010 and 2011 seasons.
Don't be concerned. Remember, out from behind the curtain OZ wasn't nearly as all-knowing as he wanted everyone to think he was.