Holy crap, tom coughlin...

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From the hot seat to (reportedly) the second or third highest paid coach in the NFL.

Hasn't happened yet, but NY Daily News is reporting it's in the works.

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"Coughlin cant be considered a good coach just because he had one lucky run"
 

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Not only did Coughlin have "one lucky run", but he set himself up for said run because he continually puts himself in position for the playoffs. Coughlin has a track record of sustained success at both Jacksonville and New York.

The reason people talk about John Brady's "one lucky run" is because he does NOT have a track record of sustained success.

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Quote:_________________________________________________Coughlin has a track record of sustained success _________________________________________________

you do know he was fired at J'ville and nearly fired by the Giants right?
 

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Just like some say Stansbury isn't a good coach just because he recruits well, huh?
 

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As long as you're making the NFL football to college basketball analogy, here's Coughlin's playoff record before the 2007 season:

96 - 2-1
97 - 0-1
98 - 1-1
99 - 1-1
05 - 0-1
06 - 0-1
Total - 4-6

Then he goes 4-0 to win the Super Bowl.

Stans's NCAA tournament record:
02 - 1-1
03 - 0-1
04 - 1-1
05 - 1-1
Total 3-4

Yet you say there's no way Stans can ever win 2 NCAA tournament games to get to the Sweet 16. If Coughlin can win a Super Bowl, why doesn't Stans ever have a chance to reach a Sweet 16?
 

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Quote:_________________________________________________ If Coughlin can win a Super Bowl, why doesn't Stans ever have a chance to reach a Sweet 16? _________________________________________________

Because Coughlin wont constantly get out-coached in big games
 

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Quote:_________________________________________________Because Coughlin wont constantly get out-coached in big games _________________________________________________

Neither does Stansbury. What's your point?
 
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Quote:_________________________________________________What's your point? _________________________________________________
His point is that he is a mentally deficient jackass that is constantly searching for a way to berate Coach Stansbury regardless of what Rick accomplishes. Stans is a successful coach while Coach34 now restocks rubber machines in convenience store bathrooms since he could not hack it as a coach. Bottom line: C34 is jealous as hell of Stans abilities.
 

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Quote:_________________________________________________you do know he was fired at J'ville and nearly fired by the Giants right_________________________________________________
It's the NFL, what some people refer to as the "Not For Long" league. Surely you've heard of the NFL coaches carousel? The following coaches were also fired:

Bill Belichick
Tony Dungy
Pete Carroll (now a genius at USC)

The first two have won at least one SB since they were last fired, the third has won national titles since being fired from the NFL. As far as assistants go, that is even crazier than the head coaching moves. You haven't coached long in the NFL if you haven't been fired.
 

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Quote:_________________________________________________Because Coughlin wont constantly get out-coached in big games_________________________________________________
He lost an AFC championship game on his own home field in 1999 to the Titans. Sometimes coaches get outcoached. Sometimes the other guy does a great job. But, when you look at the big picture, the guys that consistently win and put their teams in position for success can be separated from the flash in the pan guys. Coughlin isn't a flash in the pan, he was due. It's a perfect analogy to Stansbury. Both are guys who have been trying to break through for a long time and finally Tom did. Stans will too one day.
 

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Quote:_________________________________________________Not only did Coughlin have "one lucky run", but he set himself up for said run because he continually puts himself in position for the playoffs. Coughlin has a track record of sustained success at both Jacksonville and New York_________________________________________________
And this is what we were discussing earlier and yesterday. MSU basketball continues to put itself in position to advance, we just haven't followed through yet. Coughlin did the same thing with his teams. At some point, if the coach keeps getting his teams in position, they will break through. Tony Dungy is another guy with a ton of regular season success but his teams always failed to break through in the playoffs. But, he stayed the course and got his teams there every year. Eventually they won.
Quote:_________________________________________________The reason people talk about John Brady's "one lucky run" is because he does NOT have a track record of sustained success_________________________________________________
That's exactly right, and today he is out of work because of it. His entire career was up and down. He made a Sweet 16 and a Final Four, but other than that his career is highlighted by a few first and second round exits and some really bad years where he didn't even make postseason play. John Brady is exactly what people have accused Stans of being - a great recruiter and a poor floor coach.
 

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Judging from his record, until this year he was pretty consistantly outcoached in big games.
 

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If you throw out his first year on the job in Jacksonville (expansion team) and throw out his first year on the job in New York (took over a bad team), then Tom Coughlin has made the playoffs in 7 out of those 10 seasons. That is a very impressive statistic considering how hard it is to qualify for the NFL Playoffs. This isn't the NBA where you can win 45% of your games and punch a playoff ticket.

I do not agree with your assertion that Tom Coughlin doesn't have a track record of success.

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