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Definate upgrade for the Tigers. Now do the Boilers snag Stallings?
Definate upgrade for the Tigers. Now do the Boilers snag Stallings?
Hoops Weiss says Painter to Mizzou...
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Definate upgrade for the Tigers. Now do the Boilers snag Stallings?
Definate upgrade for the Tigers. Now do the Boilers snag Stallings?
What would be funny is for Cuonzo Martin to now bolt from Tenn and go back to his alma mater, Purdue. Pelphrey is available, call coach34, his agent, and see if he can broker the deal from his computer.
Who knows? Well we can all pretty much agree that YOU don't.Dawgbreeze said:
Pelphrey is headed to Louisville unless something better comes along.
Dawgbreeze said:
that attempting to make fun of Pelphrey for getting firedwhen he didsomething in which State would NEVER fire a coach for doing (winning 18 games and bringing in a top 5 recruiting class)- is really stupid on your part and makes our school look stupid because we continue to put up with mediocrity
and that Stans is simply a better coach than him. Its ok, its time.
Here is the death of this argument. If you pick Stans four worst years at MSU. If you could cherry pick Stans worst four years at any time during his tenure at MSU, guess how many SEC wins he has? 26. Guess how many SEC wins Pelphrey has at Arkansas in his four years? 25. Pelphrey's four year run, he was 69-59, in Stans worst four years he was 64-57.
The fact that he allegedly has a top 5 recruiting class coming in for year 5 at easily the best job in the SEC West, is just ridiculous. He was a bad coach, you know how I know this? Andy Kennedy routinely beat him. That is how bad John Pelphrey was at coaching.
Here is the death of this argument. If you pick Stans four worst years at MSU. If you could cherry pick Stans worst four years at any time during his tenure at MSU, guess how many SEC wins he has? 26. Guess how many SEC wins Pelphrey has at Arkansas in his four years? 25. Pelphrey's four year run, he was 69-59, in Stans worst four years he was 64-57.
The fact that he allegedly has a top 5 recruiting class coming in for year 5 at easily the best job in the SEC West, is just ridiculous. He was a bad coach, you know how I know this? Andy Kennedy routinely beat him. That is how bad John Pelphrey was at coaching.
He comes into UPig with a team full of Sr's and discipline problems- gets them to the Tourney, then has to completely start over. They were the 2nd or 3rd youngest team in the NCAA in 2009.
Now you can say he didnt recruit as well as The Recruiter the last 3 years- and you would be right. They did not have the talent we did the last 3 years.
Could he have done a better job rebuilding it faster? Sure. But you cant say he had them on the wrong track- they were improving each year, and his recruiting was getting better.
And Andy Kennedy beats alot of people- he averages 20 wins a season- that makes you a good coach right? At least thats what I heard
Now you can say he didnt recruit as well as The Recruiter the last 3 years- and you would be right. They did not have the talent we did the last 3 years.
Could he have done a better job rebuilding it faster? Sure. But you cant say he had them on the wrong track- they were improving each year, and his recruiting was getting better.
And Andy Kennedy beats alot of people- he averages 20 wins a season- that makes you a good coach right? At least thats what I heard
Just ask him. If Pelphrey is going to Louisville, then it must be the high school in Mississippi or as an assistant to Petino at the University. So I am assuming if Stans quit today, which he isn't going to, coach would want us to hire Pelphrey. Geez, I am amazed folks actually think you are an authority.
And lets see MSU signs Rodney Hood who Louisville wanted, Deville Smith who Georgetown and others wanted, and Gardner who Memphis thought they had and who is also a Parade All American and yet you are still harping about Pelphrey's recruits. You downgrade Stans by trying to refer to him as only a recruitor and praise a guy who gets fired who can't coach a lick. Get the Prozac out, you are one sick puppy.
And lets see MSU signs Rodney Hood who Louisville wanted, Deville Smith who Georgetown and others wanted, and Gardner who Memphis thought they had and who is also a Parade All American and yet you are still harping about Pelphrey's recruits. You downgrade Stans by trying to refer to him as only a recruitor and praise a guy who gets fired who can't coach a lick. Get the Prozac out, you are one sick puppy.
That you somehow figured out how to turn your computer on; and how to work a keyboard and mouse; and how to sign into a website. Yet after 1700+ posts you still can't figure out how to reply.
If you want to reply to what Coach says, click on the word REPLY in the lower right of the box where Coach's comments appear. You are replying to the original post in the thread each time you post. I am guessing you must be clicking the ADD REPLY button or using the QUICK REPLY box, both of which reply to the original post.
let's see how well these 3 signees grow as college players before we start spouting off about the great recruiter/"coach" we have in Stans. Last time I checked, in 13 years, the only players that have made it to the NBA that Stans recruited were the ones that never signed, Bender, Outlaw, & Ellis. In other words, your idol can recruit sometimes, but he absolutely overachieves at under developing what he gets to campus.
I'm not saying we should hire Pelphrey, Pearl, Shaka, etc., but I am saying that we can bring in an ENTIRE staff to improve our basketball program from top to bottom...kids that have the ability, the attitude, and discipline to play the game and are coachable. The staff that can recruit and coach the fundamentals and x's and o's of the game. Right now we just recruit, that's it.
I'm not saying we should hire Pelphrey, Pearl, Shaka, etc., but I am saying that we can bring in an ENTIRE staff to improve our basketball program from top to bottom...kids that have the ability, the attitude, and discipline to play the game and are coachable. The staff that can recruit and coach the fundamentals and x's and o's of the game. Right now we just recruit, that's it.
I never took the SixPack class and had been replying at the bottom of the page. I think it was pretty clear that I was referring to Coach Condom but I will know now.
If that is the only criteria then Dale Brown and John Brady are worldbeaters and yes, both made it to the Final Four , but I don't think many folks wouldhire either of them. Crean had Dwayne Wade atMarquette and he hasn't exactly burned it up lately either. And yes,Thick, you gonna name which assistants to bring in, you and coach seem to have all the answers and coach says he will have his list of head coaching candidates by next season. Seems if he is that smart, he ought to know all the good assistants to hire now too.Thick said:
I've never said that I wanted John Pelphrey to be our coach. Not once.
UPig's class is rated 5th in the nation- ours is rated 14th- what do you not understand about that? Think about that- as great as you think ours is- theirs is 9 spots higher and ranked in the top 5- thats how damn good theirs is.
You better hope The Recruiter makes the Tourney next year- you guys are setting yourselves up for a serious letdown with all this hype.
UPig's class is rated 5th in the nation- ours is rated 14th- what do you not understand about that? Think about that- as great as you think ours is- theirs is 9 spots higher and ranked in the top 5- thats how damn good theirs is.
You better hope The Recruiter makes the Tourney next year- you guys are setting yourselves up for a serious letdown with all this hype.
So theirs being 9 spots better than ours makes a whole lot of difference but OM's football recruiting ranking being higher than ours doesn't mean anything?<div>
</div><div>One thing to remember is our recruiting ranking doesn't count Moultrie or possibly bringing in another player in the spring.</div><div>
</div><div>So the only argument you can come up with now for Pelphrey being better than Stans is that he won 18 games and brought in a good class? That's pretty weak, considering they were the 2nd winningest program in the nation in the 90's w/ 3 Final Fours and a nat'l title</div>
</div><div>One thing to remember is our recruiting ranking doesn't count Moultrie or possibly bringing in another player in the spring.</div><div>
</div><div>So the only argument you can come up with now for Pelphrey being better than Stans is that he won 18 games and brought in a good class? That's pretty weak, considering they were the 2nd winningest program in the nation in the 90's w/ 3 Final Fours and a nat'l title</div>
He got fired because he didn't even make the freaking NIT for THREE STRAIGHT YEARS at a school with the best basketball facilities, history, and money in the league outside of UK. He also went 16-34 in SEC play his last 3 years w/ 3 consecutive LOSING conference records.<div>
</div><div>Stans has NEVER missed a postseason tourney in consecutive years, much less 3 years in a row at a school w/ much greater resources and expectations. If Stans won 18 games in 2012 and 2012 and missed the NIT 3 consecutive years, I'm sure he'd be fired too, he'll probably be fired if he wins 18 and missed the NIT next year, although you say we wouldn't fire a coach for such a season</div><div>
</div><div>Stans gets more criticism here than probably any coach at any school in our league I'd guess, but you think we shouldn't "rag" on Pelphrey for missing postseason play for 3 straight years??? Makes sense to me... I wish they would've kept him too, would've been good for us</div><div>
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</div><div>Stans has NEVER missed a postseason tourney in consecutive years, much less 3 years in a row at a school w/ much greater resources and expectations. If Stans won 18 games in 2012 and 2012 and missed the NIT 3 consecutive years, I'm sure he'd be fired too, he'll probably be fired if he wins 18 and missed the NIT next year, although you say we wouldn't fire a coach for such a season</div><div>
</div><div>Stans gets more criticism here than probably any coach at any school in our league I'd guess, but you think we shouldn't "rag" on Pelphrey for missing postseason play for 3 straight years??? Makes sense to me... I wish they would've kept him too, would've been good for us</div><div>
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UPig hasnt made the Sweet 16 since 1996- one of 4 SEC teams in that category. They are never going to be what they were in the 70's, 80's, and early 90's- just like State wont ever be again what they were in the 70's and 80's...After his 1st season- he was basically starting the program over- and they got better the last 2 seasons- and with most of his players returning and a top recruiting class- I thought he deserved one more year. UPig has had5 losing seasons in the last 11 years- only 2 of them are Pel's- and they have had a losing SEC record 8 of the last 10 years. They arent what they used to be.
The Recruiters teams are on the downslide:
2006- rebuilding- no Tourney at all
2007- NIT
2008- at-large bid
2009- had to win SEC Tourney to get in NCAA's
2010- NIT
2011- no Tourney at all
Thats not a very good 6 year period- THAT's why he gets criticized. His 2nd half of his tenure is not even close to his 1st half. We should expect better than that. We are 44th in the NCAA in program revenue. We are in the top40 in pay- The Recruiter made 1.5 million in 2009 with bonuses.
The Recruiters teams are on the downslide:
2006- rebuilding- no Tourney at all
2007- NIT
2008- at-large bid
2009- had to win SEC Tourney to get in NCAA's
2010- NIT
2011- no Tourney at all
Thats not a very good 6 year period- THAT's why he gets criticized. His 2nd half of his tenure is not even close to his 1st half. We should expect better than that. We are 44th in the NCAA in program revenue. We are in the top40 in pay- The Recruiter made 1.5 million in 2009 with bonuses.
LSU Football had 8 losing overall records in the 11 years before Saban arrived, including a 33-51 record in SEC play during that time. Did that mean that MSU had the same potential to win in football as LSU did? Don't act like a school's resources don't matter and that a school's potential to win is based off of their record the last decade.<div>
</div><div>I'm not saying we shouldn't be disappointed in trending downward, but in the last 10 years in the final AP Poll we've finished in the top 40 six times, with finishes of 8th, 12th, 20th, 25th, 31st, and 37th. Why do you use the last 6 years when you've said over and over that 5 year periods should be used? If 2006 is still relevant, 02-05 can be too
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</div><div>I'm not saying we shouldn't be disappointed in trending downward, but in the last 10 years in the final AP Poll we've finished in the top 40 six times, with finishes of 8th, 12th, 20th, 25th, 31st, and 37th. Why do you use the last 6 years when you've said over and over that 5 year periods should be used? If 2006 is still relevant, 02-05 can be too
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