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So I'm guessing you don't agree with Dawgbreeze doing it?
Because you sure as hell didn't agree with coach doing it.
And I laugh at the people that are criticizing this team like they are playing with a full roster
Because you sure as hell didn't agree with coach doing it.
And I laugh at the people that are criticizing this team like they are playing with a full roster
I hesitate to jump in here because I didn't "berate" Stans when he was winning (or losing). Having said that, if you disagree that 9/10ths of the issues this year are Stans fault (because they are), then Stans must not mind you not fondling his nuts while you blow him (i.e. you apparently have a free hand to type).
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Let's get one thing straight. I criticized Stansbury's coaching - specifically his substitution patterns, his half court offense, his stall offense, his scheduling, his team's lack of consistency in effort, and his lack of discipline. Sometimes win or lose. That's no different than any other coach gets. Did people say Mullen coached great games in the Troy win this year? The South Alabama win? But even with all of that with Stansbury, I never said we should fire him. Am I sad he's gone? No, not in the least. Also, when he coached well, I gave him credit for that too. Sometimes I thought he did a good job and we still lost. Those are some of the games that stick with me more for some reason.
If Rick Ray proves to be as inept in some areas like Rick Stansbury did, I will be just as honest in my assessment of him. But at this point it is foolish to try and assess what type of coach he really is. Whether it Stansbury's fault or not, our roster is a shambles. The injuries certainly are not Stansbury's fault, but they are not Ray's either. The rest of it....well I guess that's a matter of opinion. In the end it doesn't matter. You play with what you got.
I am a fan of Mississippi State first and foremost. My loyalty is not to who is on the bench. It's to the university. Your gloating about the season tells me all I need to know about your loyalty. I hope you are so mad about the situation that you never come back. We're better off without you.
If Rick Ray proves to be as inept in some areas like Rick Stansbury did, I will be just as honest in my assessment of him. But at this point it is foolish to try and assess what type of coach he really is. Whether it Stansbury's fault or not, our roster is a shambles. The injuries certainly are not Stansbury's fault, but they are not Ray's either. The rest of it....well I guess that's a matter of opinion. In the end it doesn't matter. You play with what you got.
I am a fan of Mississippi State first and foremost. My loyalty is not to who is on the bench. It's to the university. Your gloating about the season tells me all I need to know about your loyalty. I hope you are so mad about the situation that you never come back. We're better off without you.
What does being a home game have to do with anything? You act like we are supposed to have a home-court advantage when no one is there.
Yes this is embarrassing. Yes this team is awful. Yes I'm ready for this season to end. But come on people, next season is when we need to start putting blame on Ray. Not now. Next year starts Ray's clock. Please just be reasonable and realize that this season was always going to be awful. Stop acting like this is a shock.
Yes this is embarrassing. Yes this team is awful. Yes I'm ready for this season to end. But come on people, next season is when we need to start putting blame on Ray. Not now. Next year starts Ray's clock. Please just be reasonable and realize that this season was always going to be awful. Stop acting like this is a shock.
Stansbury proved to not be the answer. This is the first step in becoming a better basketball program than we've ever had before. Usually the first step is the toughest in all aspects of life. Once we get through this season I feel confident in saying we will never have to suffer through as bad as a season as we are seeing right now. Watching the crap will only make the success that much sweeter when it finally comes. Will it be under Ray? Don't know but it might take 2 or 3 more hires but we will eventually get to a final four type of talent and program and hopefully this time a sustainable one. I'd like Ray to learn the value of his bench this year (remember he saved a scholarship and kicked two players off before game 1, if you're going to kick them off do it when you can replace them or wait), the value of adding a couple capable walk-ons and the value of having a team that can shoot the basketball. If he can learn those 3 things atleast then MSU will be much better moving forward.
Don't try that **** on me Dawg. I have been an MSU fan a hell of a lot longer than most of you and have supported the University from day one. But I also criticized MSU for having incompetent leadership when LT was here and also when we are stupid enough to force the best basketball coach MSU has ever had out. You s.o.b's criticized Stans from day one and you and coach gloated when he resigned. Now, Rick Ray has a chance to use the best facilities we have ever had and do better. I gave im a pass this year but so far I haven't seen much to make me think we made the right decision. Maybe you like watching us get our asses handed to us by 30 or more at home but to try and say we would have been this bad had we waited one more year is showing your and your Junior High coach's bias. Call me gloating if you want to, but it is more of simply showing how damn dumb both you and coach are and regardless of how many you try and convince, history is going to show we screwed up big time, just like we did we we let Babe go.
Probably never, and it rightly cost him his job. Stansbury's players early in his career did get better year to year, Patterson, Zimmerman, Bowers, Frazier, Gordon, Rhodes, Varnado, and Stewart all got better. The last couple of years, not so much. He gets the blame for that, no question.
I think my take would be this, Stansbury deserves total blame for the state our basketball program is in today, but for today's game, a good high school team would have shot better than 19 percent. That falls on Ray, our players are better than the results they gave us today. That said, I am all in with Ray and believe he will ultimately be successful. Any more wins this year would be over my personal expectations.
I think my take would be this, Stansbury deserves total blame for the state our basketball program is in today, but for today's game, a good high school team would have shot better than 19 percent. That falls on Ray, our players are better than the results they gave us today. That said, I am all in with Ray and believe he will ultimately be successful. Any more wins this year would be over my personal expectations.
These basketball threads are a waste of board space...
so I will be so glad when the season's over. Whether we should have gotten rid of Stans or not we did so its not worth arguing anymore. And Ray is here for at least 2 to 3 more years after this minimum so we might as well just be quiet criticizing him and give him a chance to prove something one way or the other when he has a full deck of cards to play with. Nothing he does this year will tell you much about his coaching abilities and its pretty obvious this very shorthanded team has pretty much thrown in the towel for the year. My only major concern long term is that if Keenum, Stricklin and Ray think we can have a high quality basketball program by playing everything totally above board in recruiting and then on top of that suspending every player that sneezes in the wrong direction then I believe they will find out that they are very sadly mistaken.
so I will be so glad when the season's over. Whether we should have gotten rid of Stans or not we did so its not worth arguing anymore. And Ray is here for at least 2 to 3 more years after this minimum so we might as well just be quiet criticizing him and give him a chance to prove something one way or the other when he has a full deck of cards to play with. Nothing he does this year will tell you much about his coaching abilities and its pretty obvious this very shorthanded team has pretty much thrown in the towel for the year. My only major concern long term is that if Keenum, Stricklin and Ray think we can have a high quality basketball program by playing everything totally above board in recruiting and then on top of that suspending every player that sneezes in the wrong direction then I believe they will find out that they are very sadly mistaken.
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So the first step to getting better than mediocre is to become a complete train wreck? That is complete and utter ********. I don't fault Ray so much, it was obvious he wasnt ready and should never have been hired. If Strick didnt have a better option already lined up he should have kept what he had. At least if Stans had reloaded with some talent as he had proven he could do maybe next year the transition to some body else would have been a little smoother. This was the perfect **** storm, new green coach with no immediate recruiting base and an empty roster. Say its on Stans all you want, we got what we got out of Stans and we knew what we had with all the bags that seemed to come with him. But this absolute embarrassment is all on the AD.
With ode to Tosh...it's time for this week's breakdown.
I'm only been a part of this MSU thing for about 25 years or so. I wasn't born into a State family or anything. I chose it. And I don't think that makes me any more or less a fan than anyone else who loves State. Why do people use their longevity as a way to show their superiority?
You mean Babe Mccarthy?
Gloated? Why would I gloat? I had nothing to do with it. I was certainly happy though. That might not even be the right word. Relieved is maybe more accurate. Relieved that it was over.
I am appreciative of what Stans did to help us get the practice facility. But we could be practicing in the Staples Center with this roster and it wouldn't matter. That's so gracious of you to give Ray a pass considering what he inherited plus the injuries. There's now way you could have seen much given all of that. I don't know why you would have expected to.
No one likes watching their team get pounded night after night. I don't play the "how we would have been" game, but if Stans had stayed I suspect we would have been in a similar situation next year. The reason we are there now is the inertia was too strong.
And now your true colors show. You are pissed because Stans got shown the door and giddy with excitement that our abysmal year might make your boy seem better in hindsight. Got news for you old man. That's not happening. Ray could go 0-30 the next two years and people would not want Stansbury back nor would it mean that getting rid of him was the wrong decision. The judgment now is on Ray and Ray alone. The Stansbury book is OVER.
I'm only been a part of this MSU thing for about 25 years or so. I wasn't born into a State family or anything. I chose it. And I don't think that makes me any more or less a fan than anyone else who loves State. Why do people use their longevity as a way to show their superiority?
You mean Babe Mccarthy?
Gloated? Why would I gloat? I had nothing to do with it. I was certainly happy though. That might not even be the right word. Relieved is maybe more accurate. Relieved that it was over.
I am appreciative of what Stans did to help us get the practice facility. But we could be practicing in the Staples Center with this roster and it wouldn't matter. That's so gracious of you to give Ray a pass considering what he inherited plus the injuries. There's now way you could have seen much given all of that. I don't know why you would have expected to.
No one likes watching their team get pounded night after night. I don't play the "how we would have been" game, but if Stans had stayed I suspect we would have been in a similar situation next year. The reason we are there now is the inertia was too strong.
And now your true colors show. You are pissed because Stans got shown the door and giddy with excitement that our abysmal year might make your boy seem better in hindsight. Got news for you old man. That's not happening. Ray could go 0-30 the next two years and people would not want Stansbury back nor would it mean that getting rid of him was the wrong decision. The judgment now is on Ray and Ray alone. The Stansbury book is OVER.
That book is over is correct but if Ray fails you and coach look like idiots and that fact can't be argued either. You are trying to make me into a Ray hater, that is not the case, but I am very concerned about anybody at MSU hiring another coach and therein lies the bigger problem. You and I both know Ray can't go 0-30 so don't throw out more ********. If that does happen though, you turds are going to look like fools but I am convinced that is correct either way.
I am familiar with looking like an idiot. Visited there more than a few times. But if Ray fails, there is no way I look like an idiot. You are having trouble understanding that the FIRING and HIRING were separate processes. Getting rid of Stansbury WAS THE RIGHT MOVE. Only the most obstinate of people would argue that. It was either get rid of him in March 2012 or March 2013, and the decision was made to rip the bandaid off in 2012 and start rebuilding. That whole process was ONE DECISION.
Separate from that was hiring the next coach. There were a few realistic names that I would have liked (and by realistic, I don't mean Shaka Smart). Rick Way wasn't one of them. I've made no proclamations about Rick Ray's abilities because I had never heard of him before last spring and am learning his style on the fly like everyone else. Ray could go 30-0 and that wouldn't make me look like a genius. You know why? Because it has nothing to do with Stansbury getting fired.
I will agree with you one on thing. The problem was not having someone lined up when the trigger was pulled, but I can understand why it didn't happen. Into February we were still ranked (I think) and a seeming lock for the NCAAs. We went in the tank so fast that there was no time for anyone to line up anything. That may be the one bad thing about firing him last year. At least this year we could have started looking in January. But it is what it is, and Rick Ray is OUR coach now. Well, at least he is mine. It's clear who YOURS is.
Separate from that was hiring the next coach. There were a few realistic names that I would have liked (and by realistic, I don't mean Shaka Smart). Rick Way wasn't one of them. I've made no proclamations about Rick Ray's abilities because I had never heard of him before last spring and am learning his style on the fly like everyone else. Ray could go 30-0 and that wouldn't make me look like a genius. You know why? Because it has nothing to do with Stansbury getting fired.
I will agree with you one on thing. The problem was not having someone lined up when the trigger was pulled, but I can understand why it didn't happen. Into February we were still ranked (I think) and a seeming lock for the NCAAs. We went in the tank so fast that there was no time for anyone to line up anything. That may be the one bad thing about firing him last year. At least this year we could have started looking in January. But it is what it is, and Rick Ray is OUR coach now. Well, at least he is mine. It's clear who YOURS is.
dead on
What Ray does matters none as far as Stansbury. Only an idiot like Dawggeezer thinks he shouldnt have been replaced.
If we kept Stansbury and won 16 games this year- what does it matter? Stansbury was done and had to go. That decision cant be debated