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http://3rdand57.com/who-is-ready-for-bowl-selection-madness/

-I don't think a lot of people understand the new process. It's explained
-The SEC tie-ins are different
-I project all the SEC teams bowl situations

This is my question for MSU fans. This year with the Cotton and Chick-Fil-A not hosting the semifinal, they get at-large bids selected by the playoff committee. Both bowls have said on record that they anticipate a top-15 match-up. Then MSU has the chance at the Capital One Orange Bowl but the tie-in states SEC or Notre Dame or Big Ten. What bowl would you prefer and would you feel that the Orange is "more prestigious" than the CFA or Cotton even though they are selected by the playoff committee?
 
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I don't like the idea that Birmingham will just assign teams to bowls regardless of "pecking order" especially since location seems to be part of the criteria. I'm skeptical they'll be fair, especially since they keep emphasizing all the bowls are now equal.
 
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You appear to have completely forgotten the Citrus Bowl. That drastically alters your article. Some other key points:
1. I don't think Ohio State is eligible for the Orange Bowl because they were there last year. I've only found one mention of a "no repeat" clause, though, and nothing on an official Orange Bowl site.
2. If Mizzou wins, they'll go to the Peach, Cotton, or Fiesta, and Alabama would then head to the Orange if they fell out of the top 4. It's not really "all hell breaking loose", although some other games going awry could result in that.
3. All Big 6 participants are assigned by the CFP committee. None of the Big 6 bowls get to "pick."
4. Note sure where you're mark of the 15th ranking is coming from. There are 12 Big 6 slots, a non-Power 5 team gets one, and if you somehow had a champion ranked outside the top 11 (like Wisconsin or Georgia Tech), they'd steal a slot from someone above them. The same would apply if we had a Power 5 conference champion in the Top 4 and the second-best team from their conference was ranked low. This scenario looked likely with Clemson about 3 weeks ago, and will still come into play if FSU beats Tech.

As for the bowl I prefer, it's definitely the Orange. For the moment, it retains a good deal of mystique and prestige despite the likely opponent.
 
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I'd prefer the Orange Bowl over the Chik-Fil-A Peach or whatever it is now. Seems like not too long ago, the Peach was getting teams with 8-4, 7-5 records. I just think that they are a second class bowl compared to the Orange. Maybe an old bias of mine but that is my perception. Also I don't want to go back to the Peach cause I had a miserable time in Atlanta the last go around there.
 
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He's got the Capitol One Bowl.. It's now the BWW Citrus Bowl in Orlando so that part jives. Capitol One has naming right for the Orange Bowl now.
 
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The top 15 comment comes directly from the Chick-Fil-A Peach Bowl's website. http://fanacts.com/FAQ

As far as the Citrus, i did overlook that because I'm was going primarily off the August 2013 SEC release because that is all we really have right now as far as the bowl slelction. Now that you mention it and I've worked the google machine, I can't find anything to indicate that they are or aren't in the SEC bowl pool. I would assume that they are but that doesn't "drastically alter" anything. All it does is add another location for the middle 7 teams in the SEC (instead of 6). I have no idea what this "3. All Big 6 participants are assigned by the CFP committee. None of the Big 6 bowls get to "pick."" means in relation to what I wrote. If you're splitting hairs over my use of the word "pick" I'd point you to this said by Slive in the official press release by the SEC "Under the new SEC bowl system, the Capital One Bowl in Orlando (vs. Big Ten/ACC), a long-time SEC bowl, will have the first selection of available SEC teams after any conference schools have qualified for the College Football Playoff,"
 
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Does it all boil down to this? If we want to go to the OB the committee has to rank us higher than Mich. State or else we're probably headed to the Peach?
 
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Xenomorph said:
He's got the Capitol One Bowl.. It's now the BWW Citrus Bowl in Orlando so that part jives. Capitol One has naming right for the Orange Bowl now.
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Actually, he was right. That name change is confusing as hell but there is a BWW Citrus Bowl and the Captial One Orange Bowl with the SEC tie-ins. The Citrus wasn't one the bowl when the new process was explained in 2013. The confusing part is I can't find anywhere if the Citrus is in the "bowl pool" but I'm it has to be right?

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/college-football-bowl-schedule.php
 
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FreeDawg said:
Actually, he was right. That name change is confusing as hell but there is a BWW Citrus Bowl and the Captial One Orange Bowl with the SEC tie-ins. The Citrus wasn't one the bowl when the new process was explained in 2013. The confusing part is I can't find anywhere if the Citrus is in the "bowl pool" but I'm it has to be right?

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/college-football-bowl-schedule.php
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Citrus is not part of the "Bowl Pool" -- it gets first priority beyond the New Years 6 bowl games.
 
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I don't think anyone can answer that w/100% certainty and that exactly why this is going to be crazy. I don't think anyone knows wtf is going on. From what I can gather from reading official releases, the playoff committee will set the 4-team playoff and then the 2 rotating semifinal games first. That would be the cotton and peach this year. Then it would be the SEC office and bowls job to work in accordance to start filling slots with the Cap One Orange going next. Then the bowl pool. That's how I interpret it. Operating under my understanding, which may not be 100% correct, the committee coukd assign us Cotton or Peach before the Cap 1 Orang has a chance.
 
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Gotcha on the 15.

That's just them covering their rear early and preparing for those low-ranking scenarios I mentioned.

The "pick" part was in reference to this:
"We know that the Capital One Orange Bowl will have first pick after the playoff committee has selected any SEC teams that are eligible for the playoffs or the Chick-fil-A/Cotton. "
That's not the case. The Orange Bowl tie-in is automatic based on the CFP rankings and contractual language with the conferences.

Meanwhile, here's where the Citrus Bowl fits in:
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/1119/SEC Bowl Selection Process 2014.pdf
 
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engie said:
Citrus is not part of the "Bowl Pool" -- it gets first priority beyond the New Years 6 bowl games.
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Not qyestionimg you but where is that stated? Can't find it anywhere. So you're saying it's before the pool but after the Cap 1 Orange as far as priority?
 
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That's correct Xeno.

To answer the question I'd prefer the Orange to the other 2 just because I've never been to Miami. 2nd choice would be Fiesta for the same reason, I've never been to Arizona but I know that's a long shot. As long as we are in the New Year's six I'll be happy.
 
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You are close but I think backwards. The Orange Bowl will get their teams first. It will be the highest ranked ACC team left vs highest ranked SEC/Big 10 team left after the semifinals are set. Then Fiesta/Cotton/Peach will be set. Of course it all changes next year when semifinals are rotated. Its all about the rankings. This year a top 10 ranking makes it automatic.
 
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Here's my best explanation:

Cap1 Orange is on an identical tier as Peach and Cotton. All a part of big 6.

The conference decides the order for the rest - I also believe Citrus is the top of those, as it used to be called the Capital One bowl, which had the guarantee for a top SEC team.

More confusion - the BWW Citrus bowl and the Russell Athletic bowl are both played in the Citrus Bowl stadium. The Capital One bowl used to be be played in the Citrus bowl(Old Capital one bowl = new Citrus bowl), but Capital One now sponsors the Orange bowl (Previous sponsors were FedEx, Discover) which is played in Sun Life Stadium.
 
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I really, really wanted us to play OSU until the QB got hurt.

Ohio state fans have been the biggest bitchers and moaners about MSU all season, and I would have loved to see us kick their butt (looking at you herbstreet). With the QB out, that would take some luster off that country boy *** wippin. Who do people really want to match up with?
 
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Thank link says absolutely nothing about the BWW Citrus Bowl Pat. That's what I'm trying to figure out.
 
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The Capitol One Bowl IS the Citrus Bowl. The name just changed since that press release.
 
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Yep. Also add in that Bama has to finish in the Top 4 as well.
If we are ranked above the other MSU, and you like Miami, pull for Ohio State (hopefully won't matter due to "no repeat" clause) and Bama.
 
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Another thing, all bowl eligible teams will get placed somewhere if they want to be with conferences not being able to fill all their spots. I guess it all depends on if the last eligible team wants to go to the quick lane bowl or heart of dallas bowl, etc.

My guess:
Bama-Sugar
State-One of the New years 6
Missouri-Citrus
Georgia-Belk
Mississippi-Outback
Auburn-Gator..sorry TaxSlayer
LSU-Texas
aTm-Music City
Arkansas-Liberty
Tennessee-Bham
USCe-Independence
Florida-some bowl whose conference doesn't have enough bowl eligible teams
 
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memphisdawg2

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Any scenario where Slive can screw us over and stick us in a lower tier bowl?

Optimus Prime 4 said:
I don't like the idea that Birmingham will just assign teams to bowls regardless of "pecking order" especially since location seems to be part of the criteria. I'm skeptical they'll be fair, especially since they keep emphasizing all the bowls are now equal.
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