He played the position at a very high level, coached at high levels, and now has Doughty looking at becoming a first round pick.
How big a difference would a coach like Jeff Brohm have made on Towles?
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But he won't throw a pass to a receiver that may drop it. Maybe Doughty is a better player?
None. Coaching won't bring out what OF needs. Coaching has taken him as far as it can, . And I'm a, huge PT f an.
Patrick's deal is between the ears. He is screaming with physical potential but sometimes no one is home!!
Jeff Brohm or Bill Belichek (sp?) cannot coach up what is not between the ears. Patrick has a look of panic every second of every game. He has all of the tools to be a great QB....except what is between the ears. The look in his eyes during interviews and during the game looks as if he has no clue what is going on.
You are so right. he never looks anyone in the eyes when speaking to them, his head always swaying from left to right. I have supported this kid every day he has been at UK but he just hasn't got it done.
The not making eye contact thing is a big tell as well. When giving interviews he constantly is looking down or staring at the person's torso/whatever and that is a sign of not having confidence. Patrick has all of the physical tools you could ask for....as horrible as it is to say though it just isn't right mentally for him to succeed.
The type of offense Towles needs to succeed is a run heavy offense, where the QB throws mainly play action passes.
This means there would be max protection, the blitzers would have to honor the threat of the rb carrying the ball, and there would be minimal WR's in the pattern so the read would be simple.
Anything else just has no chance of working. Right now, his decision making is just way too slow.
This means there would be max protection, the blitzers would have to honor the threat of the rb carrying the ball, and there would be minimal WR's in the pattern so the read would be simple.
Anything else just has no chance of working. Right now, his decision making is just way too slow.
I don't believe that. PT was able to graduate HS, get accepted to UK and by all indications been able to maintain his eligibility. Some guys are different and need different buttons pushed. Jeff Driskel was awful at UF, couldn't read a defense or make his progressions, he locked on to one guy. Went through a different OC every year, much like PT has had to do. But I saw him play this year and while he isn't the second coming of Tom Brady, he looked much better than he ever looked at UF. Driskel and PT are very much alike, both are big athletic guys who have had to endure multiple OCs and QB coaches during their careers.
Certainly he hasn't had the season many and most were hoping/expecting this year, but he hasn't had a terrible amount of help a long the way either, dropped TD passes have cost UK at least 2 games. Those weren't tough catches, its ones that are made by any decent WR, yet Towles caught the heat. He hasn't exactly had the great wall in front of him blocking either. He hasn't played perfect by any stretch, but if his surrounding cast had made routine plays for him UK would be at the very least 6-4 right now with a chance to win 9 games this year. To tell you the truth, if I were him I wouldn't have much confidence in a couple of his receivers either with the number of key drops they have had. I just can't believe a fan doubting his intelligence.
Agreed.
Hypothetical: Let's say things were reversed. Let's say that Barker was the upperclassman and Towles was the young buck. Barker would go through all the growing pains of a weak o-line, poor WR play, etc. Towles would sit, develop, gain a little experience here or there.....then take over with a much, much, much better surrounding cast. That's the kind of environment that Towles needed.......and even then it's not a done deal. Physical was never an issue with Towles, the mental has been. Had he the opportunity to be brought along slow, careful, things "may" have been different.
It's too early to write off Dawson and his offense...
but if we're going to play the hind sight is 20/20 game...Lincoln Riley...Sooners finished at 8-5 last year...Riley comes aboard and all of a sudden their walk on transfer QB is a heisman contender and they're playing for a play off...
for the life of me I don't know why he wasn't the guy...all indicators for the past couple years were that the kid OC at ECU was the real deal and an offense wizard...
maybe we did contact him but Oklahoma just out bid us...who knows...
I do believe that Pat and DB need a QB coach...someone who can focus solely on their development and mentor them and not have the responsibility of the entire offense...
but if we're going to play the hind sight is 20/20 game...Lincoln Riley...Sooners finished at 8-5 last year...Riley comes aboard and all of a sudden their walk on transfer QB is a heisman contender and they're playing for a play off...
for the life of me I don't know why he wasn't the guy...all indicators for the past couple years were that the kid OC at ECU was the real deal and an offense wizard...
maybe we did contact him but Oklahoma just out bid us...who knows...
I do believe that Pat and DB need a QB coach...someone who can focus solely on their development and mentor them and not have the responsibility of the entire offense...
Best post I have ever read regarding PT.
You can complain all you like about happy feet but many times Pat delivered a perfect pass only to be dropped.
Again, complaints about his confidence, but yet he got hammered for sacks because of poor line play.
I don't consider myself pro or con on PT but try to be fair when assessing the play of any QB.
Has he thrown some poor passes, yes he has, as every QB has at any level.
I'm not quiet ready to count Pat done, although he may be but sometimes the bench is a great teacher.
Grumpy, Nice post, and I agree. Hopefully Towles will watch from the sidelines and come back and compete next year. He is a nice kid, but he's had the crap beat out of him this year, so he's reluctant to stay in the pocket (I should say, what pocket).
With a better OL things might have been different.
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
You people that think this coach or that coach is going to work miracles are silly. Coaches play a role, no doubt, but a teams performance has more to do with the talent of the players than anything else.
The thing that would have helped PT more than anything, IMO, is consistency with the OC and protection from the line. He strikes me as a guy that doesn't have overflowing confidence and those two things simply can't be helping him get more confidence. And I'm not saying he's not confident, but some guys have that reality defying confidence (regardless of skill level) and he doesn't strike me as that guy.
Riley turned us down for Oklahoma. Stoops wanted him. Riley didn't want us.
Hey Grumpy....noticed that Joe Tereshinski is an asst at Charlotte. Guess he's starting up the coaching ladder.
Who was QB coach when Neil Brown was OC?
IIRC we didn't have one. (Sorta like not having a ST coach)
In fairness to PT under Brown he went through fall practice and a season after which he was given a list of things he needs to work on if he wants to come back and compete for the position in the spring.
If you have a QB and he has issues why aren't they addressed throughout the season and in house instead of leaving it up to him to go out and get outside help (Tony Franklin System consultant-former HS coach) to correct issues and become competitive?
What's the purpose of coaches? Why do we need to pay them big bucks if they are going to essentially out-source their responsibilities?
Is that the way a big-time program develops personnel?
Be surprised if Brohm (or most any other program) does it that way.
I realize that was then and this is now but I still think it's indicative of some major areas of improvement.
IIRC we didn't have one. (Sorta like not having a ST coach)
In fairness to PT under Brown he went through fall practice and a season after which he was given a list of things he needs to work on if he wants to come back and compete for the position in the spring.
If you have a QB and he has issues why aren't they addressed throughout the season and in house instead of leaving it up to him to go out and get outside help (Tony Franklin System consultant-former HS coach) to correct issues and become competitive?
What's the purpose of coaches? Why do we need to pay them big bucks if they are going to essentially out-source their responsibilities?
Is that the way a big-time program develops personnel?
Be surprised if Brohm (or most any other program) does it that way.
I realize that was then and this is now but I still think it's indicative of some major areas of improvement.
I don't believe that. PT was able to graduate HS, get accepted to UK and by all indications been able to maintain his eligibility. Some guys are different and need different buttons pushed. Jeff Driskel was awful at UF, couldn't read a defense or make his progressions, he locked on to one guy. Went through a different OC every year, much like PT has had to do. But I saw him play this year and while he isn't the second coming of Tom Brady, he looked much better than he ever looked at UF. Driskel and PT are very much alike, both are big athletic guys who have had to endure multiple OCs and QB coaches during their careers.
Certainly he hasn't had the season many and most were hoping/expecting this year, but he hasn't had a terrible amount of help a long the way either, dropped TD passes have cost UK at least 2 games. Those weren't tough catches, its ones that are made by any decent WR, yet Towles caught the heat. He hasn't exactly had the great wall in front of him blocking either. He hasn't played perfect by any stretch, but if his surrounding cast had made routine plays for him UK would be at the very least 6-4 right now with a chance to win 9 games this year. To tell you the truth, if I were him I wouldn't have much confidence in a couple of his receivers either with the number of key drops they have had. I just can't believe a fan doubting his intelligence.
I didn't know that, He was a good kid back in the day, don't think he was ever signed to be our starting qb, but ending up starting half a season during Stafford's freshman year. His dad was our strength and conditioning coach up until about a couple of years ago, also played for UGA, and did his grandfrather, the moniker of JT111 while he was at UGA. Thx for the info.
Not trying to flame you, but where is Doughty looked at as a first round pick? I am reading that he has a good chance to get drafted but nowhere near Round 1. Maybe Round 6?
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I think Doughty will end up mid 5th to late 6th, but you're right, his current projection is 6-UFA
Mumme used to have special drills for his receivers. I recall one was to have tennis balls fired at them at high speeds. Don't know if it helped, but I don't recall Mumme's receivers having any critical drops.
We did as recently as last year... Not sure if we're still doing it or not after a tennis ball to the eye cost Badet his season.
UK football... Only here two WRs can lose a season to injury by a TD dance and a tennis ball.:angry::thumbsdown:[eyeroll]
Even worse, it looks like the TD celebration was basically a career ender for a promising young WR. Terrible.
Towles problems are a stable of wide receivers who are unreliable, a very weak to non existent offensive line, a coaching staff that only believes in a vertical passing game, choppy feet and a none too accurate arm.
I'm glad Barker is getting his shot but he won't fare much better than Patrick. He also has to live with the same first three handicaps that Patrick had tied around his neck. With that offensive line his feet may get a little nervous also.
I'm glad Barker is getting his shot but he won't fare much better than Patrick. He also has to live with the same first three handicaps that Patrick had tied around his neck. With that offensive line his feet may get a little nervous also.
This seems to be the biggest problem. We seem to only run screens, fades or slants with an emphasis on the first two. We will run an occasional crossing route with the littlest guy we have. It seems like there is such an attempt to do the unexpected play that we fall in to the trap of always doing the low percentage play.
Part of the reason we don't throw over the middle often is because Towles is wildly inaccurate. The team has a lot of issues, but Towles problems magnify all of them.
Quick hitters would relieve some pressure on him and the Oline, he can't seem to make that throw. Every one screams about the lack of throws to the tight end. Generally the TE gets the ball in the middle of the defense, the coaches don't trust Towles to make that throw.
The Int in the endzone that was a fade, it was there, but Towles had to drop that throw right in the corner where only the WR can catch it. He under threw it, and the Vandy player was able to knock it down.
The TD Baker dropped against UF was under thrown, Hargraves got twisted around and missed it somehow, went through his arms distracting Baker.
When a QB has as many limitations as Towles has, and I believe they're all mental, it makes everyone else have to play at increased level.