Great call by Coach K....The boys looked really aggressive playing zone and Louisville had trouble adjusting. Thought Harry and Marques gave us some good minutes on the interior of it...
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How bout that Zone Defense!!!??
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That zone with marques in it is impressive and championship worthy!
We weren't playing man to man well at all that's for sure. OFC
That's what I have been saying. Just because K hasn't tried it, or something else, doesn't mean it won't work. Some argued the point I was trying to make. And it worked!!! Served a purpose, weren't stopping them with man, and the zone and Allen's gutsy play were the difference. Big 2nd half by Kennard and Tatum as well. So glad to see Grayson play with a positive edge. Go Duke!! Also good to see Bolden in there for a few
Louisville's offense looked like ours at the beginning of the game....the zone messed with them. Even though it produced some wide open looks, their shots looked hurried and they didn't look to penetrate. UNC is the kind of team you could utilize it in spurts against tomorrow....but you can't give them the second chances we gave Louisville or we can't win.
I see what you're saying. He's the best of all time, but sometimes your way just ain't working and something different is needed. The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over yet expect different results.
GREAT CALL ON THE ZONE MAC!!! Just what the doctor ordered! OFC
You must have ducked when that sarcasm was coming through
Hart, we all love and know the game. K knows more than we've forgot, but we would be on plane back to Durham had he not thought outside of HIS way of thinking. His way normally is right, but not all the time. He is the GOAT but doesn't walk on water
It's not the first time Duke used zone this year.
Different games call for different defense and Mac did call it but if LVille weren't blowing by Duke from the three point line to the goal K would have stuck with man to man but the zone helped when w went to it.
Different games call for different defense and Mac did call it but if LVille weren't blowing by Duke from the three point line to the goal K would have stuck with man to man but the zone helped when w went to it.
Ask Hart if he was being sarcastic. Facts are facts. A couple people here, and they know who they are, told me I was wrong to suggest K do something a mere poster would suggest. One of them even now posted the zone worked! Wow!
You called for it my friend and stuck with it. I supported your position, and it was the turning point. NO COACH, not even K, is infallible. However, he shelved his man to man principles when it mattered today and we got back in game. Like you said if we stayed man we're headed home now...Another good move by K was going back to man at the end because he didnt want to allow Cards tying 3......
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Don't dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back.
I didn't say you were wrong to suggest anything. I said that K probably has had his reasons as to why it wouldn't work, in his opinion. Today it worked. You thinking this was some big revelation you had is humorous. We've played zone before today, this season. It wasn't very successful until today. I'm happy it worked. Louisville being a below-average shooting team and not making free throws helped too. The zone wasn't the difference we won today. It played a part, but we don't get to play tomorrow just because of the zone. We're playing tomorrow because Louisville missed some opportunities and because three kids named Grayson, Luke and Jayson played like stars down the stretch.
Not a big revelation sir. Just an observation that you and another Hall Monitor didn't want to hear. I never said it was a guarantee to work but today yes it served a purpose. The zone slowed them down, I don't care how, but it did. You are correct though on your last sentence that 3 kids played like stars.
I think the three you noted played huge roles as you mention, but I think the zone played a huge difference we won as well. Louisville was shredding us in the paint as K referenced in a post game comment before we made the switch.
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Never said it didn't. The zone completely messed with Louisville. I've said that multiple times in this thread and another one. We also made a lot of shots and Louisville missed freebies at the line and open, albeit rushed, jump shots. Being down 12 in the second half means you need to do more than one thing well to come back. That's what Duke did...they did a lot well, and made big shots. Especially Luke.
The other thing is that unc defense is not as good as Louisville though. We will get open shots, just have to make them
Zone works well against then because they are not a great shooting team. May not work in the future. But happy k made an adjustment given man not working. Also happy dukes stars stepped up and refused to lose this one.
Need to stick with zone until Duke is playing a team that can beat the zone!
I think it will give us another wrinkle moving forward if we can execute it that well. This team isnt gifted enough defensively to solely get by on man the rest of the way. OFC
UNC can beat the zone. All four bigs have nice jumpers with the exception of Meeks his is off and Jackson has a nice floater. But we will see tomorrow
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I think we will see some zone tomorrow just to rest the legs a little bit.
What worked against one team might not work against others. It was great today, and could be going forward but it is no guarantee. Louisville didn't really attack it well for the most part. Other teams will be more prepared going forward.
All in all, it is still a good sign for Duke at the time being.
All in all, it is still a good sign for Duke at the time being.
Coach K did the right thing waiting to the second halve to make the change to zone. The Cards had 1 time out and their best shooter on the bench with 4 fouls. If you make the move too early they have time to figure it out and recover.
Zone worked today against a team that can't shoot and only penetrates...
I don't think it will work against UNC...totally different animal...
We need to play bigger against UNC with Amile at the four...they can't beat us if we use all our Bigs inside and let Amile play four...not the entire game but we need to use it..we have enough firepower to beat them up..but have to be able to defend inside and rebound tomorrow night.
I don't think it will work against UNC...totally different animal...
We need to play bigger against UNC with Amile at the four...they can't beat us if we use all our Bigs inside and let Amile play four...not the entire game but we need to use it..we have enough firepower to beat them up..but have to be able to defend inside and rebound tomorrow night.
Not sure about that. He made the change yes, and it served the purpose. Maybe if he ran it earlier, Duke wouldn't have fell behind by double digits. We don't know. The point is it slowed down their penetration. I don't care what defense he runs, fact is right now Dukes man d isn't a lock down d, and K saw that today to win he needed to do something else
Sure they can beat it, but at least today we found out we are VERY CAPABLE of playing a solid zone in a year in which we are clearly not a vintage man Duke defensive team...
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Yeah just saw it and edit the post. Duke played zone at the beginning of the year. I also think toward the end of the first having Giles in there with Amile then going with Bolden helped to.
I'd like to see more of Giles and Bolden but I would also like to think K sticks with Allen coming off the bench which is really helping, imo with his health.
Tomorrow will be a battle
Allen coming off the bench is a heckuva weapon! I just hope we come out strong and take it to em. OFC
I would love to see Matt give us some offense, but we are going to need as much Grayson and Frank as possible Mac.....
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With how lost Giles and Bolden get on D, playing zone allows them to get more minutes without total breakdowns leading to easy scores and or too many fouls adding up, taking Giles and Bolden out of the game before they break a sweat and putting the other team in the bonus too soon. It also allows us to play Giles and Bolden at the same so that the other guys can get some rest. Even if it doesn't provide better defense, as long as it doesn't hurt, the extra minutes from Giles and Bolden could be game changing.
The 2/3 zone was great against the UL bricklayers. Maybe a 3/2 against UNC, with Amile and Bolden sharing the paint? Matt on the left, Frank up top.
Exactly. Blueprint for anyone beating Louisville is go zone. But hopefully we get Mac and Hart a first class flight over to the BK so they can fill in the coaching staff, that never considered playing zone before, (even though they have the last three years against Louisville) and let them know it works against a team that has zero good shooters. But hey I'm just a hall monitor!
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