How can anyone argue against a playoff in college fb?

[BogeyGolfer.sixpack]

<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal">How great would it be to have the top 8 BCS teams have a playoff? The seven playoff games would be the big money bowls. This is the only way to crown a true champion. If the top eight teams were seeded today it would look like this:</p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"></p>

</p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal">#1 Lsu v #8 <city><place>Houston</place></city></p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal">#2 Bama v #7 Boise St.</p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal">#3 <state><place>Arkansas</place></state> v #6 Stanford</p>#4 Oklahoma St. v #5Virgina Tech
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[dawgoneyall]

We might go bowling. Nuff said.

 

[SwampDawg]

If we go this route lets do away with the pretense that these are "student athletes." Hell, lets do away with classes for them. That way they can practice more every day and not be distracted by silly things like classes, tests and quizes, term papers and such. They can all pretend they will ALL be drafted andmake millions of dollars and will never have to work in business and industry. Or, if we don't want to be that extreme we can keep the pretense but lessen the load on them. We can come up with a few less demanding fields of study that won't interfere with around the calendar football.

Flame away. I'm used to it on this topic.

 

[Mutt the Hoople.buhoops]

Keep all the bowls they have now, have no tie-ins, and let the bowls determine the best matchups they can get. Then, when it's all over, 15-16 teams a year can claim a National Championship.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

#1 Lsu v #8 Houston = Sugar Bowl


#2 Bama v #7 Boise St. = Fiesta Bowl


#3 Arkansas v #6 Stanford = Rose Bowl


#4 Oklahoma St. v #5Virgina Tech = Orange Bowl


Sugar Bowl winner vs. Fiesta Bowl winner meet on home field of highest seeded team.


Rose Bowl winner vs. Orange Bowl winner meet on home field of highest seeded team.


The winner of these games then meet in national championship game @ neutral site.


This is how freakin' easy it is to do this.

 

[FlabLoser]

1. Pre-planned, guaranteed distribution of money<div>2.Pre-planned, guaranteed distribution of money</div><div>3.Pre-planned, guaranteed distribution of money</div><div>
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[BogeyGolfer.sixpack]

<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal">I would settle for the top four playing in the playoff and this would only add two extra games for two teams and the schedule could be cut back to eleven games. Every team plays at leastone meaningless games a year anyway. College Football has changed a lot in the past 20 years and a lot of money is being made by the networks, companies advertising during games, universities etc… CFB is big business now. But to say that two extra games will make the difference for John Smith who plays LB at USC to pass or fail is ridiculous. Again, the only way to determine the best team is to have the teams settle it on the field.

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[cowbell88]

#1 Lsu v #8 Houston = Sugar Bowl


#2 Bama v #7 Boise St. = Fiesta Bowl


#3 Arkansas v #6 Stanford = Rose Bowl


#4 Oklahoma St. v #5Virgina Tech = Orange Bowl


Sugar Bowl winner vs. Fiesta Bowl winner meet on home field of highest seeded team.


Rose Bowl winner vs. Orange Bowl winner meet on home field of highest seeded team.


The winner of these games then meet in national championship game @ neutral site.


This is how freakin' easy it is to do this.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

And we end up with a National Champion every year. I have been following College Football for 51 years...and there has been a Champion every year.

My question is Why? Why do we need to play a bunch of extra games between supposed Student Athletes to determine what can be determined the way it is being determined now.

Questions? If there was a playoff, should Oklahoma State be a part of it? If so, then shouldn't Iowa State be a part of it?
Should Oklahoma be a part of it? If so, then should Baylor be a part of it?
Should Clemson be a part of it? If so, should NC State be a part of it?
Should Southern Miss be a part of it? If so, should Marshall and UAB be a part of it?
Should Oregon be a part of it? If so, should an "on probation" USC be a part of it?
If we have a 4 team, or 8 team, or 16 team playoff, HUMANS + Computers will have to decide the participants. Guess what? They already do. The regular season 98% of the time eliminates the pretenders. The other 2% is eliminated by strength of schedule.

I can go on...but you should get it by now.

 

[Bobby Ricigliano]

interesting.

 

[BogeyGolfer.sixpack]

<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal">the same argument could be made about March Madness. Humans select the teams with a few automatic qualifiers and there are always a few teams who probably should have been in the tourney. I only want humans and computers to go so far. There has to be some measuring stick and it can’t be denied that humans/computers have to be involved to a certain point, but when it comes down to deciding the national champion, there needs to be a full proof system in place that eliminates weaker competition on the field. In college football, it’s all about math-ups and from a fan perspective; wouldn’t you want to see those math-ups played out on the field instead in the minds of talking heads and computers? If we have an eight team playoff without a doubt there will always be the #9 and #10 teams who felt like they deserved a shot, but I'll take that if we can get a playoff system in place.</p>

 

[missouridawg]

Just because team X loses to team Y doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed into a hypothetical playoff. It's about your body of work, and yes, that includes strength of schedule (looking at you Houston). A playoff would allow a team like Houston to get there shot, which is what most of America wants to see. A fair way to determine the champion...</p>

 

[QuaoarsKing]

No one is arguing that Iowa State, Texas Tech, Marshall, etc., should be included. NO ONE. No other sports' playoffs have a system where every team who beats a playoff team goes also, so why are you intentionally mischaracterizing a hypothetical playoff in such a 17ing stupid way?<div>
</div><div>Strength of schedule isn't always fair -- Utah scheduled Michigan in 2008 to try to have a strong strength of schedule, but Michigan ended up 3-9. I give Utah credit for trying, even though it turned out not to be a very strong opponent. Also, Auburn had the toughest strength of schedule in 2004 of the five undefeated teams, but because Oklahoma and USC started out 1 and 2 and never lost, they got to play for the title. You CANNOT argue that that was fair.</div>

 

[TnRebel.sixpack]

The beginning of Christmas break is the only chance they get all fall to go home and see their families. This isn't as big of a deal for your juniors or seniors, but for your freshman and sophomores it is. Think about it, how many of yall got homesick at some point during your freshman year, and went back on an away weekend? They can't do that. <div>
</div><div>And as soon as the season would end, the spring semester would begin. If they were to have a playoff, the teams in the playoff wouldn't be able to go home at all until sometime in the spring.
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[sleepy dawg]

"<span class="post-title">D1 college football is the only sport that doesn’t have a playoff…"

Now which sport do you love the most? Is this by coincidence? What playoff sport does every game matter so much? Which playoff sport does a loss in the regular season devastate you to the point which you feel like your season just ended? Which other sport does winning just 1 game in the regular season mean everything to the fans?

The answer is none of them. College football's current format is the only sport that delivers this much excitement and passion with every game. The more games you play, and the more teams you take into a playoff, the less important each game is.

That said, which major sport is the most boring? I'll let you decide that, but it's likely guaranteed to be a sport that plays way too many games. The more games a sport plays, combined with the length of each game makes for the least entertaining.

Also, think about how many times since the BCS was established that you didn't think the National Champion was the best team... maybe once? In sports with playoffs, it happens very often. Playoffs don't reward the best team, they reward the hottest team.
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[RonnyAtmosphere]

..though your argument against a playoff is full of more half truths & holes than an Alex Jones conspiracy theory, your argument against a college football playoff sounds like it was plagarized from a memo at a university president's luncheon.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

is irrelavent on the National Scene now.....just wait until there is an 8 or 16 team playoff. Because 8 out of every 10 years a group of about 10-12 teams will be amongst the 8 teams in the playoffs and MSU will not be one of them. And if it is a 16 team playoff about 8 out of every 10 years it will be the same 18 to 20 teams vying for one of those spots and MSU will not be one of them.

When a 10-3 team wins D-1AA or D-II and the 11-0 teams are eliminated, it is not necessarily the "BEST" team that won, but as was spoken before, the "hottest" in a 3 week period at seasons end.

So, in a lot of seasons, with a 16 team playoff, you could have 2 or even 3 12-0 teams enter the playoffs with teams with possibly 9-3 records who may even have a bad loss, but also had some big ones. Now with your plan, that 9-3 team might be a better match-up with some 12-0 teams than others and go on a hot streak and win 3 straight. So there is no guarantee it will be any better than it is now.

All the other divisions in football do not have Bowl Games as rewards for the players and fans, so a playoff system is their only avenue to post season play. Also remember that most D-1AA and D-II programs average less than 20,000 in attendance, some less than 5,000, so even in playoff games, they have paltry attendance figures and guess who pays for those playoff games with all of those programs losing money?

Yes, if you have a playoff in D-1A you will have a "Champion", but it likely will not be the best team in many years. And eventually most of the Bowls will go away, and programs like MSU will have nothing, NOTHING to play for and it will become like a club sport at the "have not" schools. Look at us now....We are teeming for a chance to go 6-6 and go to a second straight bowl game. And at 6-6, MSU fans will travel in large numbers to see the bowl game. We need to maintain the Bowls and to do so, there has to be Big Name consistent winners available to play in the money bowl games.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Let's go back to the start of the BCS in 1998.

1998: Tennessee earned the title by going undefeated, but I don't think they were necessarily the best team. They had a series of very good breaks get them there.
1999: Florida State - Pretty clear champion
2000: Oklahoma won it all, but three 1 loss teams had arguments for getting to play in the game. Washington beat Miami who beat Florida State, yet Florida State was the team that got the chance to play.
2001: Miami - pretty clear champion, though Nebraska, the No. 4 team went to the title game over a Colorado team that pounded them and ahead of an Oregon team that pounded Colorado. Oregon probably should've played Miami. The result may have been the same, but you never know.
2002: Ohio State - earned the title, but they again were a team that relied on a lot of good breaks
2003: LSU and USC split - Oklahoma made the title game over USC, despite losing the Big 12 title game
2004: USC - Undefeated Auburn and Utah teams left out of the title game since the title game only had room for 2 teams.
2005: Texas - pretty clear champion
2006: Florida - pretty clear champion
2007: LSU - lost 2 games, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, even Georgia may have been as good or better
2008: Florida - pretty clear champion, though USC and Texas could've argued a chance to play in the game, and Utah went undefeated again.
2009: Alabama - pretty clear champion, though TCU and Boise both went undefeated without getting a shot.
2010: Auburn - pretty clear champion, though TCU again went undefeated without getting a shot.

 

[BeerHound]

Let's face it. All but a few of the bowls have very little significance nationally. So you pull out 8 of those teams for playoff, it isn't like you still can't have the weedeater bowl for the rest of us....

And the missing class thing I don't get either. So because a player is at a d2 or d3 school it is ok to miss classes in December for a playoff, but at D1 it is wrong? It also isn't like players who are on a team that is bowl eligible aren't praticing significantly during Dec anyway...

 

[drunkernhelldawg]

I think that the emphasis on who the national champion is makes the game less interesting. People talk about it constantly, only to be rewarded with ho-hum BCS bowl games that go on beyond our interest. A playoff would be workable only if the season was cut back to 10 games, which might not be a bad idea, though the money hogs dominating the sport now would never agree to it. Also, if you have 4 team playoff, you leave out number 5. Not a big deal unless number 4 beats number 1 to win. 8 teams leaves out number 9, etc. Of course, Number 64 will never win the Dance, so the issue is lessened the more teams you have. Truthfully, college football is a lot less interesting to me than it used to be. NFL has a much higher quality of play. College football has too many mismatches, inconsistent officiating, class-day games that are an outrage to the universities they disrupt, corrupt recruiting, outrageously excessive marketing, and other negatives. I admit that the quality of play can be very high, but this mostly occurs with the teams that are stacked with 10 or more draftable players. I personally hope that the academic standards get tougher so that when a student-athlete gives 4 or 5 years to a university, the chance that it does him or her some actual good are increased. NCAA football needs to be either pro or amateur and get the hell out of the middle ground. Before I leave it to my woodsheders, I want to emphasize the horrible officiating in college football and how unfair it suddenly makes so many games. The SEC is one of the best in this regard and I'm thankful for that . Big East and WAC officials seem to just do whatever the hell they want to. It makes me sick inside when it happens.

 

[oem]

when you have a playoff going on.<div>
</div><div>Kind of like why the NFL doesn't schedule the Rams and the Panthers on Wednesday night while their playoffs are going on.</div>