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And the actual contracts of the BIG 12, PAC 12 and ACC


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For an ACC school that tried and failed, the forfeited TV revenue would run into the hundreds of millions. But the current financial stakes may have changed the math. The Big Ten’s next media rights deal, which will begin a year from Friday, could ultimately allow the league to pay out as much as $100 million per school per year. It’s safe to assume that the SEC and Big Ten will each soon be able to pay out at least $70 million per school per year. The ACC distributed an average of $36.1 million per school for the 2020-21 school year.
 
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So the question remains, will ACC schools do something to exit their Grant of Rights agreements prior to 2036?

There are some ways to do it.

Obviously the Big Ten would have to be the most likely to initiate moves (or maybe Notre Dames decision will start something?) That's because ESPN owns all SEC and ACC rights long into the future.

Who are the schools that the BIg Ten might take from the ACC? The AAU schools of course:

Virginia
North Carolina
Duke
Georgia Tech
Pitt

Any of these might be considered.

I'd give Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia Tech the most likelihood of being invited.

Once that happened then of course the SEC is going to go after who they can
Clemson and FSU are the BRANDS--guaranteed first offers

After that? I don't think Pitt would receive any consideration.
Duke probably if the B10 didn't add them (same for UVA and UNC of course). No idea what UVA or UNC would decide between joining the Big Ten or Sec.

Maybe Georgia Tech if the B10 didn't take them first because they want to protect ATL.

They'd probably want new east coast markets in Virginia so VT might be asked

So lets say the B10 adds ND, GT, UVA and UNC

Then the SEC adds Clemson, FSU, Duke and VT

That leaves an interesting choice for the BIG 12
Guessing by that time the BIG 12 will have added at least Arizona and Colorado.

To get to 20 schools they'd still need 6.

So who do you add from the remaining ACC schools?

BC
Syracuse
Louisville
Wake Forest
Miami
NC State
Pitt

Could see the BIG 12 then adding at least 4 of these

Would go with:
Louisville
Miami
NC State

and then it gets tricky for a fourth:
Syracuse?
Pitt?
Wake?
BC?

Might make more sense to go back out west for three more of
Washington
Oregon
Utah
ASU
 
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I can’t believe people think the PAC and the ACC are going to fold.
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Can’t believe people think they won’t. Both have schools actively trying to get out- do you realize this?

Its possible the ACC could last until 2036, but that’s it. No one will sign on that dotted line again when other conferences are 60- $100 million ahead of them in media rights.
 
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If some schools leave from them it will be not many. And you will have some from the big 12 leave also. So the pac, acc, Big12 will survive but will be tier2. B1G and SEC will be the power2 tier one leagues with at about 24 teams each. And I truly believe WVU will be in the SEC.
 
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If some schools leave from them it will be not many. And you will have some from the big 12 leave also. So the pac, acc, Big12 will survive but will be tier2. B1G and SEC will be the power2 tier one leagues with at about 24 teams each. And I truly believe WVU will be in the SEC.
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Yeah, no. No one is leaving the BIG 12. The ACC and the Pac are teatering on a presupice as conferences.

The ACC and Pac will be ended by their departures. The BIG 12 has survived its departures.
 
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Personally, its kind of fascinating to see what will happen particularly in the ACC.

How do Clemson or FSU justify sitting in the ACC through 2036 being so far behind other conferences and a good chance by sitting there they may be one day shut out of major athletics entirely?

Just doesn't make sense for them or numerous programs. They may do it, but they have to be kicking themselves for not having taken the life raft to the BIG 12 years ago rather than signing an ACC GOR for two and a half decades at a very low rate.
 
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But at a lower tier. And yes schools have left the big12, and more will including WVU.
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The BIG 12 is not at a lower tier, in fact most believe it will be considered one of three power conferences once that materializes, while the acc and pac not so much.
 
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But back to the holding chains, the Acc GOR.

Some say that per Acc bylaws 8 schools can end the GOR— simple majority. If that is the case then conferences just need to invite 8 Acc schools.

Right now there would be Clemson, FSU, probably UVA and UNC as locks wanting out. Past that though?

No one else is really guaranteed to get an invite to the B10 or SEC. The B10 might just go all out to the west if they don’t land two of the schools mentioned, outside of perhaps Georgia Tech.

But if you knew that VT, say Duke, GT and one other ( Miami best guess) had a guaranteed home? Floodgates probably opened.

Outside of that, maybe just letting the conference keep those home rights. If you are getting $36 or so in the Acc but SEc or Big could pay you $80-$100,000,000 then leaving those home game rights behind isn’t that much of an issue. The buyout would have to be negotiated down of course. Maryland did that So it can be done.
 
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The BIG 12 is not at a lower tier, in fact most believe it will be considered one of three power conferences once that materializes, while the acc and pac not so much.
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You don’t get it, there are only two “power”conferences right now. Even before the new money comes in.
 
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You don’t get it, there are only two “power”conferences right now. Even before the new money comes in.
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Simply not true, but I see you work for “ the narrative”.

No NCAA rules have changed to give two conferences all the power and authority over the rest of college football. Just because one network is trying to create that and pundits are flocking along doesn’t make it so.

What you are pushing hasn’t happened yet, it is simply the desired outcome of a few one day but May never come to fruition.

Meanwhile the BIG 12 is going to continue on with major college football whether you like it or not.

As to the ACC and PAC, we’ll see if Oregon, Washington, Utah, etc. sign a grant of rights. Good luck. We’ll see if Clemson and FSU and others agree with you that sitting back with low contracts until 2036 is going to work for them.
 
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Simply not true, but I see you work for “ the narrative”.

No NCAA rules have changed to give two conferences all the power and authority over the rest of college football. Just because one network is trying to create that and pundits are flocking along doesn’t make it so.

What you are pushing hasn’t happened yet, it is simply the desired outcome of a few one day but May never come to fruition.

Meanwhile the BIG 12 is going to continue on with major college football whether you like it or not.

As to the ACC and PAC, we’ll see if Oregon, Washington, Utah, etc. sign a grant of rights. Good luck. We’ll see if Clemson and FSU and others agree with you that sitting back with low contracts until 2036 is going to work for them.
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I’m not pushing any “narrative”, whatever that may be. I am just smart and realizes what it’s heading toward. Sure I would like for college athletics to go back to a simpler time before this rat race. You can act like you’re the savior of the present model and keep harping that this way is the way it will be, but recent history is showing your efforts are futile. So WVU needs to position itself in the best possible way to get into the SEC, so they will not be left behind in importance, relevance, money, and visually.
The sooner you get on board with that, the better you will be.
I can understand defending our Mountaineers, but why you want to defend a sinking Big12 is a mystery.
 
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Ok. Review time. The Big 12 and the ACC will not cease to exist. They will simply be the equivalent of a MAC or Sun Belt as far as relevance goes. And if you look at the mission of those remaining outcasts going forward (Wake Forest, BC, WSU, Cal, etc) This is not necessarily a bad thing. They don't have the money and/or support to keep up even with the TV contracts.

Breaking up the GOR in the ACC is pretty easy. Poach enough teams at one time will generate enough members to vote to end that conference. That didn't happen to the big East because he didn't have enough members at one time. I believe the PAC 12 will be a straight up fire sale. The ACC has the potential for the same.
 
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A false narrative is being pushed by people like Tylerite. Why- because they are being paid by someone to downrate the BIg 12 for the benefit of the conference or entity ( see network) paying them.

There is no honest discussion with these posers as you’ll notice, just a constant beating of the anti WVU anti BIg 12 drum no matter what happens or could be in process. Since I discuss facts that counter their disinformation you’ll notice they as a group come after me personally. Why? Because they do not want you to know what is really happening or real facts about WVU, or the BIg 12, they want you to buy into their anti WVU, anti BIG 12 narrative.

Here also you see total disregard of the subject of the post and instead an attempt to change the discussion of issues within the ACC to a false discussion pretending that the BIg 12 is in trouble.

But the fact remains that schools are ACTIVELY attempting to leave the ACc and PAC right now whereas the BIG 12 has settled down in that regard and is looking to poach other conferences and has momentum.
 
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A false narrative is being pushed by people like Tylerite. Why- because they are being paid by someone to downrate the BIg 12 for the benefit of the conference or entity ( see network) paying them.

There is no honest discussion with these posers as you’ll notice, just a constant beating of the anti WVU anti BIg 12 drum no matter what happens or could be in process. Since I discuss facts that counter their disinformation you’ll notice they as a group come after me personally. Why? Because they do not want you to know what is really happening or real facts about WVU, or the BIg 12, they want you to buy into their anti WVU, anti BIG 12 narrative.

Here also you see total disregard of the subject of the post and instead an attempt to change the discussion of issues within the ACC to a false discussion pretending that the BIg 12 is in trouble.

But the fact remains that schools are ACTIVELY attempting to leave the ACc and PAC right now whereas the BIG 12 has settled down in that regard and is looking to poach other conferences and has momentum.
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All you are doing is pushing lies about other posters. We are not anti WVU or anti Big12. We just have our eyes open to what is occurring. You take opinion pieces that fit your wishes and call them facts. You mention the PAC and the ACC are in trouble but leave out the Big12 even they are too. We are not wishing for any of that to happen. You are contradicting yourself by saying things are not happening even though they are, and basically saying there is going to be a power 3. So it sounds like your being paid to push the big12 agenda for survival. There are Big12 schools that are ACTIVELY trying to leave to get into the B1G and SEC. Why? Because they know and see what’s going on.
 
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All you are doing is pushing lies about other posters. We are not anti WVU or anti Big12. We just have our eyes open to what is occurring. You take opinion pieces that fit your wishes and call them facts. You mention the PAC and the ACC are in trouble but leave out the Big12 even they are too. We are not wishing for any of that to happen. You are contradicting yourself by saying things are not happening even though they are, and basically saying there is going to be a power 3. So it sounds like your being paid to push the big12 agenda for survival. There are Big12 schools that are ACTIVELY trying to leave to get into the B1G and SEC. Why? Because they know and see what’s going on.
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PAID SHILL.

You aren’t a WVU fan.

You aren’t a BIG 12 fan.

Every post you and your shill buddies make is a negative spin on anything positive for the BIG 12 or WVU- all for someone else’s benefit. There’s nothing real about anything you post so don’t even pretend that motivates you— anti WVU anti BIG 12 spin is all there is — that and attacking anyone who posts any news or information positive towards WVU or the BIG 12. That sums it up along with your thread derailing attempts.
 
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But seriously If the BIG 12 is choosing 4 from 8 leftover ACC schools once the departures of Clemson, FSU, UVA, UNC, GT, VT and Duke and the BIG 12 has picked off Miami, NCState and Louisville, who would you take from the following?

Syracuse?
Pitt?
Wake?
BC?

Or would you bypass those schools and pick up another western PAC member?

Or would you grab another eastern up and comer like UConn, USF or Memphis to finish out at 20 teams?
 
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PAID SHILL.

You aren’t a WVU fan.

You aren’t a BIG 12 fan.

Every post you and your shill buddies make is a negative spin on anything positive for the BIG 12 or WVU- all for someone else’s benefit. There’s nothing real about anything you post so don’t even pretend that motivates you— anti WVU anti BIG 12 spin is all there is — that and attacking anyone who posts any news or information positive towards WVU or the BIG 12. That sums it up along with your thread derailing attempts.
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Once again wrong you are as I told you earlier what my position was and since it doesn’t align exactly with yours, then I am a shill, whatever that is, I’ve been A WVU fan probably before you were even born. You talk like a young “fan”. You refuse to open your eyes to see what is happening. Just because I do doesn’t mean I want it to happen. So your rhetoric is getting old.
 
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One thing in the ACC GOR that prevents them from adding anyone legitimate because knowing what being locked into an ACC contract through 2036 means eliminates pretty much every school in the country from wanting to be a part.

Under "Additional Members", their GOR contract states The Conference shall not admit a new member to the Conference unless and until (a) such new member agrees to become bound by this Agreement with respect to all sports in which it participates as a member of the Conference by executing a signature page or joinder agreement hereto as a condition to such admission and (b) grants to the Conference pursuant to this Agreement all Rights of such Member Institution with respect to such sports.
 
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Look there are some pretty good law schools that are in the ACC
Wake Forest
Duke
UNC
UVA
Pitt
so they can figure that out
 
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Look there are some pretty good law schools that are in the ACC
Wake Forest
Duke
UNC
UVA
Pitt
so they can figure that out
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There are good law schools all over the country- in the BIG 12 as well, but are you referring to getting out of a GOR or admitting new members? These are the people that crafted and signed their own GOR sooo….
 
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Even adding Notre Dame would be a problem for the ACC because if they open the contract- multiple schools leave instantly.

This is why they also can’t do a substantial deal with the PAC 12. If they open the contract, there goes FSU and Clemson and UNC and UVA and whoever else can get out.
 
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Really will be fascinating to see what the ACC teams do to exit the GOR. My money is on a large enough group trying to leave at the same time—

FSU
Clemson
UNC
UVA

Duke
Miami
GT
VT

and likely
Louisville,
NCState

perhaps a couple more should take care of it— there will be a point where leaving $30 Or so mil behind but taking in $50 million a year will make it worthwhile.
 
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Buckaineer said:
Really will be fascinating to see what the ACC teams do to exit the GOR. My money is on a large enough group trying to leave at the same time—

FSU
Clemson
UNC
UVA

Duke
Miami
GT
VT

and likely
Louisville,
NCState

perhaps a couple more should take care of it— there will be a point where leaving $30 Or so mil behind but taking in $50 million a year will make it worthwhile.
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As I already stated, the SEC will take Clemson and either FSU or Miami and either VT or UVA. I ain't buying UNC. Their football is average and their basketball is trending downwards. They will coordinate with the Big 10 to free up enough teams to end the ACC as we know it.

SEC takes Clemson, FSU and UVA (This is the tricky one since the Big 10 will want UVA too).

Big 10 takes Duke and likely UNC. Could be UVA if the SEC takes VT instead.
 
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As I already stated, the SEC will take Clemson and either FSU or Miami and either VT or UVA. I ain't buying UNC. Their football is average and their basketball is trending downwards. They will coordinate with the Big 10 to free up enough teams to end the ACC as we know it.

SEC takes Clemson, FSU and UVA (This is the tricky one since the Big 10 will want UVA too).

Big 10 takes Duke and likely UNC. Could be UVA if the SEC takes VT instead.
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Look for at least 24 teams each in the B1G and the SEC.
 
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Even adding Notre Dame would be a problem for the ACC because if they open the contract- multiple schools leave instantly.

This is why they also can’t do a substantial deal with the PAC 12. If they open the contract, there goes FSU and Clemson and UNC and UVA and whoever else can get out.
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Notre Dame is worth more than the entire soon to be Big 12
 
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Guessing we'll see ACC teams moving around 2025 once NDs decision is in the books--either in the B10 or with a much larger lucrative contract tied in as referenced with the BIG 12. At that time the Big Ten will probably move to finalize its conference either with ND or more west coast schools--ACC schools are going to want to get in before the super conferences are finalized and schools that can move are left out.
 
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Guessing we'll see ACC teams moving around 2025 once NDs decision is in the books--either in the B10 or with a much larger lucrative contract tied in as referenced with the BIG 12. At that time the Big Ten will probably move to finalize its conference either with ND or more west coast schools--ACC schools are going to want to get in before the super conferences are finalized and schools that can move are left out.
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Acc teams aren't going anywhere anytime soon fool. ND isn't giving up its independence and NBC isn't paying big bucks for the big 12. Get a clue fool
 
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And the actual contracts of the BIG 12, PAC 12 and ACC


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For an ACC school that tried and failed, the forfeited TV revenue would run into the hundreds of millions. But the current financial stakes may have changed the math. The Big Ten’s next media rights deal, which will begin a year from Friday, could ultimately allow the league to pay out as much as $100 million per school per year. It’s safe to assume that the SEC and Big Ten will each soon be able to pay out at least $70 million per school per year. The ACC distributed an average of $36.1 million per school for the 2020-21 school year.
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Can you post all this expansion nonsense in one thread? Like you stated yourself other boards don't allow this type of trolling to go on.
 
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Buckaineer said:
And the actual contracts of the BIG 12, PAC 12 and ACC


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For an ACC school that tried and failed, the forfeited TV revenue would run into the hundreds of millions. But the current financial stakes may have changed the math. The Big Ten’s next media rights deal, which will begin a year from Friday, could ultimately allow the league to pay out as much as $100 million per school per year. It’s safe to assume that the SEC and Big Ten will each soon be able to pay out at least $70 million per school per year. The ACC distributed an average of $36.1 million per school for the 2020-21 school year.
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So Buck why didn't post this ? what's the matter wrong narrative?
 
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