How do you compete with this as Mississippi State?

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With the House settlement, football payments will be limited to the $20.5MM revenue sharing PLUS "reasonable" NIL deals as approved by the Clearinghouse.

We all know this is a farce and spending will continue unchecked, but as a mid-tier P4 school, we have to hope it levels the playing field some...
 

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With the House settlement, football payments will be limited to the $20.5MM revenue sharing PLUS "reasonable" NIL deals as approved by the Clearinghouse.

We all know this is a farce and spending will continue unchecked, but as a mid-tier P4 school, we have to hope it levels the playing field some...
The issue is the university is asking the fans to fund the 20.5 million plus the "reasonable" money. State doesn't have a shot in that environment to compete from a financial standpoint. Do we just concentrate on basketball and baseball and try to tread water in football (which pains me to say)? Our old adage of being a developmental program is gone in the free transfer world.
 

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We compete like we always have. We hope to go 8-4; every three to four years, we fight to make the playoffs. College football is going to start dying within 10 years, I think. The SEC, Big10, and NIL (The way it has been used). Has exposed the dark side of college football. No one can compete with Texas, OSU, Bama, Georgia, etc. So why care?
 

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With the House settlement, football payments will be limited to the $20.5MM revenue sharing PLUS "reasonable" NIL deals as approved by the Clearinghouse.

We all know this is a farce and spending will continue unchecked, but as a mid-tier P4 school, we have to hope it levels the playing field some...
That will be challenged in court and thrown out.
 

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Like before, we'll be in the lower half of the SEC. But if things continue the Big 10 and SEC will be a major step up from the other conferences, and our talent level should be higher than most of the ACC for example. Adding another conference game would be bad for us, to be honest.

One thing we don't discuss here very much is how much the big budget schools are freaking out trying to keep up with their peers. Case in point this Ross Dellenger article about LSU's football budget.

 

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I have long opined that NIL's impact to the overall college campus culture is going to be the forgotten problem. With the advent of online classes, many athletes never step foot in a classroom. Its all about athletics. When you start getting Lambos regularly riding around Starkville, you are going to have some issues.

We have a family friend whose son is a backup player at a G5 school. He gets tuition, room and board, etc. like everyone always did. He gets a NIL stipend of $5,000 a month. Again, this is a backup player at a G5 school, making $60k just to be on the roster. Its come to top of their mind that when he graduates, he's likely to make about the same, working 40+ hour weeks. What happens when these P4 schools are paying backups $250k because they were 4 stars in high school - when these kids graduate and sell insurance or become accountants and take a 75% pay cut - not to mention there will be some 7 figure busts that never make the NFL.
 

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Our issue doesn't lie with the Texas' and Georgia's of the world spending insane money. We were never beating them for players before. It's more to do with Ole Miss, Arkansas, Auburn etc having and spending more money than us.

We just don't have anything to offer right now other than playing time. And that's not even that valuable because most players are going to bet on themselves and expect to win a starting job anywhere they go. There's just nothing attractive about our program right now. Even if we offer a recruit comparable money to our peers, why would they choose us right now? We are stuck in a chicken and the egg cycle. We need to win to attract better players, but we need better players to win.
 

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So if you take out the $20.5mm, it's still just $10-$20MM in NIL. We'll be at the lower end of that ourselves. That $20mm+ is generally going to be a very limited number of programs.
 

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With the House settlement, football payments will be limited to the $20.5MM revenue sharing PLUS "reasonable" NIL deals as approved by the Clearinghouse.

We all know this is a farce and spending will continue unchecked, but as a mid-tier P4 school, we have to hope it levels the playing field some...
This settlement does nothing but bring good ole fashioned cheating back into play after caps are hit and we are full circle again. Except more expensive cheating now.
 

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The 35 to 40 they are quoting is including all the house settlement of 20.5 plus another 15 to 20 NIL deals. Problem with that is they aren’t going to use all 20.5 on football and even Texas isn’t going to use 15/20MM NIL deals for just football. Add in those deals will have to go before the new clearinghouse. So take this article as more shock value than anything else
Let’s also turn the page and say MSU is set to spend 32 to 35 on football which would include the 20MM house settlement. We know that would not be the case as we would breakdown the amount to other sports
 

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Don't forget. The $20.5 million IS a Cap for the school. It isn't mandatory. I don't expect State to allocate the entire $20.5 out to the athletes. There are Bills to pay. I expect Selmon to break it out by % per sport, sure. But I can see Keenum telling him to hold back a few million.

My guess is State throws about $12 m at football roster, and $4 to $5 m at everything else and holds $3 mil in reserve the first year to see how this works out.
 

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Don't forget. The $20.5 million IS a Cap for the school. It isn't mandatory. I don't expect State to allocate the entire $20.5 out to the athletes. There are Bills to pay. I expect Selmon to break it out by % per sport, sure. But I can see Keenum telling him to hold back a few million.

My guess is State throws about $12 m at football roster, and $4 to $5 m at everything else and holds $3 mil in reserve the first year to see how this works out.
I think we will do what everyone else is doing. We can't publicly be behind all the other SEC schools.
 

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The issue is the university is asking the fans to fund the 20.5 million plus the "reasonable" money. State doesn't have a shot in that environment to compete from a financial standpoint. Do we just concentrate on basketball and baseball and try to tread water in football (which pains me to say)? Our old adage of being a developmental program is gone in the free transfer world.
Those schools should fund their own league if they want to spend that much $$$ every year. I prefer TRUE college sports, where kids play for the love of the game and/or school. If you want pro sports, form your own league. It's not a level playing field, and the schools will continue to spend more and more until capped. Why can't leadership control this?
 

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Those schools should fund their own league if they want to spend that much $$$ every year. I prefer TRUE college sports, where kids play for the love of the game and/or school. If you want pro sports, form your own league. It's not a level playing field, and the schools will continue to spend more and more until capped. Why can't leadership control this?
Athletes haven't been playing for the "love of the game" since the 80's. $$$ has been there - it just hasn't been this public. Again - none of this is really an issue if the free transfers stop or they allow contracts with buyouts in play.
 
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I have long opined that NIL's impact to the overall college campus culture is going to be the forgotten problem. With the advent of online classes, many athletes never step foot in a classroom. Its all about athletics. When you start getting Lambos regularly riding around Starkville, you are going to have some issues.

We have a family friend whose son is a backup player at a G5 school. He gets tuition, room and board, etc. like everyone always did. He gets a NIL stipend of $5,000 a month. Again, this is a backup player at a G5 school, making $60k just to be on the roster. Its come to top of their mind that when he graduates, he's likely to make about the same, working 40+ hour weeks. What happens when these P4 schools are paying backups $250k because they were 4 stars in high school - when these kids graduate and sell insurance or become accountants and take a 75% pay cut - not to mention there will be some 7 figure busts that never make the NFL.
Hence, the challenges to eligibility rules that we are & will continue to see.
 

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The issue is the university is asking the fans to fund the 20.5 million plus the "reasonable" money. State doesn't have a shot in that environment to compete from a financial standpoint. Do we just concentrate on basketball and baseball and try to tread water in football (which pains me to say)? Our old adage of being a developmental program is gone in the free transfer world.
Hopefully they change up the portal rules and make some contracts. We will always be behind the jones' in football spending just like always. I don't mind the big nil because to me that's stuff has always been there just under the table. The portal is the biggest issue.

we could develop guys if they had to stay 2 years or so once they sign or they still had to sit out
 

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Some confusion in this thread about what those Texas payments are. The article was from last April. The collectives were front loading their deals to players this past Spring because every deal signed prior to the settlement being approved is exempt from the new rules.

So it was kind of a one-off, and they may not be able to raise $40MM every year. [Deleted, because I was the one confused, the $40 MM included the expected revenue sharing]

Going forward, Texas will have it's revenue sharing cap, plus the legit NIL deals it's players get, which will be substantial.

But the question is, how much additional booster money is available and how will it be funneled to the players if it is not in the form of a legit endorsement deal?

I've been saying under the table payments, and that's probably true, but hiding a multi-million under the table payment is a lot harder than hiding $200,000 donated to a church.

They're gonna need Marty Byrde from Ozark.
 
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No it didn’t. Attendance is still strong. College Gameday had its highest ratings ever in 2024. Two things can be true: the system sucks but the game is still so great.
It seems like there has to be a breaking point, but so far it is going strong.

This is merely anecdotal evidence, but I attended a Bama alumni event in Georgia this past Spring. The general consensus from the people I spoke with was college sports are a lot less fun when the players keep changing and demanding big money.....but that doesn't mean they will stop buying season tickets. Not yet, anyway.
 

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The issue is the university is asking the fans to fund the 20.5 million plus the "reasonable" money.
The fans are being asked to fund a lot, but a good portion of the $20.5MM needs to be found in the athletic department's operating budget, or even the overall university budget.

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It is a joke. Schools will go back to under the table payments to get the best players and crow about how great their facilities and fan bases made the difference (Alabama model). College football has always been a buy your championship sport. It is just out in the open for all to see now.
 

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It seems like there has to be a breaking point, but so far it is going strong.

This is merely anecdotal evidence, but I attended a Bama alumni event in Georgia this past Spring. The general consensus from the people I spoke with was college sports are a lot less fun when the players keep changing and demanding big money.....but that doesn't mean they will stop buying season tickets. Not yet, anyway.
Correct. CFB doesn’t care if you are having fun at a level 10 or a level 4. As long as people tune in and attend games they are good
 
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Like before, we'll be in the lower half of the SEC. But if things continue the Big 10 and SEC will be a major step up from the other conferences, and our talent level should be higher than most of the ACC for example. Adding another conference game would be bad for us, to be honest.

One thing we don't discuss here very much is how much the big budget schools are freaking out trying to keep up with their peers. Case in point this Ross Dellenger article about LSU's football budget.

In that scenario, will State fans be happy with a ceiling of 7 wins and floor of 4? I guess that is what we were from 1980-2000 and 2009-2020.

However that yahoo article on LSU is interesting. First they spent in 3 years what OM spent in one. My take away is kids still see a brand they want to be a part of and will take less. Schools like OM, because of their brand, have to overpay to stay relevant.

Second, that's cool to hear they are analyzing players and assigning a monetary value. You want $1,000,000? Ok bye. I don't think MVB was worth a $1mil though.
 
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No it didn’t. Attendance is still strong. College Gameday had its highest ratings ever in 2024. Two things can be true: the system sucks but the game is still so great.
College Football Attendance Trends

Sure are a lot of - (negative) numbers in this chart above along w/ a lot of low capacity % numbers also.

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3 year old data below but the trend is there.....

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As for Gameday, that's all the people staying at home watching on their big screens. Why do you think there's all the "fan engagement enhancement" talk going on, plus ticket specials? Below info shows them staying home instead of attending too. Ticket prices are tanking for bowls too

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My assumption is the blue bloods find a way to still hand out way more nil than us. Even after this settlement. So I think State has three choices.

1. Do nothing Take the sec check and be the whipping boy. Maybe maybe there is a year or two per decade when the schedule is right and State gets to 7-8 wins.

2. Hire a full staff to manage recruiting and manage funding. Also hire a real damn headline liner for a head coach. Someone who can generate some buzz among recruits. Be frugal with your nil funds but pour money into football staff.

3. Join a conference with schools that are similarly situated financially. B12 is a better fit for State but ACC would be better for football, basketball and baseball.
 

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Those schools should fund their own league if they want to spend that much $$$ every year. I prefer TRUE college sports, where kids play for the love of the game and/or school. If you want pro sports, form your own league. It's not a level playing field, and the schools will continue to spend more and more until capped. Why can't leadership control this?
No you don’t. Quit lying. How many Ivy League games have you watched? How many NAIA games?
 

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No you don’t. Quit lying. How many Ivy League games have you watched? How many NAIA games?
I've actually probably watched about as much Ivy League football as non-Mississippi State I-A football (not including playoffs). Not much else on on Friday nights and it's really old-school small time football. I probably watch about 3 games a year.