How do you compete with this as Mississippi State?
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Unless we hit on some diamond in the rough freshmen, which is increasingly unlikely in an age where everybody has their film being dumped and reposted onto social media, we can’t compete at a high level. That’s why I’m ok with us putting resources into non-revenue sports.
No one disagrees that TV has decreased attendance. But as I stated before, CFB doesn’t care if you watch at home or in person. Attendance is still strong. Viewership is huge. CFB is as strong as ever. You said is started dying 3 years ago but have done nothing to support that argument.
“How do you compete with this as Mississippi State?”
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And this needs to happen. The admins are against players becoming employees, but that is what it is going to take.
1) Athletes become employees, pay for play.
2) Universities organize under 1 banner with a league President.
3) Admins agree to allow the players to organize as long as players aren't required to be in the Union.
4) The Union has to have player representation on the Negotiating Committee.
5) collective Bargaining has to be agreed upon to be fair to both sides.
6) salary cap put in place along with restrictions on free agency.
7) contracts written between schools and players.
8) If Alabama wants to trade their 3 string QB for State's 2nd string Edge Rusher, negotiations between schools AND players must happen.
"But as I stated before, CFB doesn’t care if you watch at home or in person."
What do you consider "CFB", networks? Because I think there are many that beg to differ with you about "in person". Hotels, gas stations, restaurants, food concessionaires, souvenir vendors, universities, ticket sales, parking sales, they all care if you are there in person. If fans sit at home, none of those listed benefit in any way whatsoever. If fans are at home not one penny is going to those entities.
Read the whole articles, not just the headlines, lots of these out there to read:
Why College Football Playoff championship viewership dropped and how to fix it
CFP 12 team format produces major ratings drop
College Football Title Ratings Fall 12% As Pay TV Erosion Accelerates
College Football Fans Can Only Take So Much
College Football Is Broken
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The Longhorns are using the same strategy as other schools, by frontloading deals before the House Settlement is put into place.
Hire an expensive baseball coach
I consider it to be the fan interest through viewership and attendance as well as what networks are willing to invest. It’s all incredibly strong. Nothing is dying as of now. The Indiana article lays out great, very adjustable reasons why playoff viewership was down this year. But nonetheless, nothing is dying. Again, 2 things are true- the system sucks and fans hate it AND we still love watching on Saturdays either in person or on the couch. If the team is good, the hotels, restaurants, etc. do just fine. Being bad hurts worse than anything else.
At this point, these people are not really students at all, at least the ones that are actually on the field the majority of the time, but professional athletes, so I don't feel any affiliation with them - why would I? I can spend a few hundred bucks and get a great seat at a pro game, with better players, if I want to go see high level football - and nobody's hounding me to give to the Saint's development fund.
I would consider “CFB” (at least in that context) to be the schools and the conferences. Hotels, gas stations, restaurants, AirBnBs, etc. aren’t a part of that equation unless they’re school owned. It’s great for those businesses when game attendance is high, but I don’t believe anybody in the administration of these schools is that concerned with how the local Holiday Inn is doing and making financial decisions with that in mind.
I’m sure somebody has the operational game day profit for State football (i.e. ticket sales, concessions, merchandise), but I can’t imagine it’s anywhere close to the payout received from the ESPN contract.
If they fix the transfer issue it helps us in the long run.Texas Actually Spending $35-$40 Million On Its Football Roster This Season? Welcome To The New Era
The Longhorns are using the same strategy as other schools, by frontloading deals before the House Settlement is put into place.
lot of schools with money who are never good but are willing to pay some now. They will pull some talent away from the top teams.
the top teams will have less depth.
Yep. Go all in on baseball and basketball and hope for a 6-6 season here and there with a big payoff at the Weed Wacker bowl.
ESPN, Fox, and to some extent CBS and all the sponsors that make it possible for them to cut big checks.
It is comparable. In a CBA, the union members waive their legal claims against the league Un exchange forca set of rules they agree to.
In the House settlement agreement, players who opt in are waiving any anti-trust claims they may have against the NCAA or their Conference in exchange for this set of rules.
The sort of wild card are players who opted out, or future players who opt out. If they are unhappy with their compensation, then they can still sue.
But the problem they will likely face is trying to prove they could get more money for their NIL. And not the faux NIL deals they currently have with collectives, but legit deals.
It'll take the schools coming together to create a fair system.
I feel bad for my boys who are currently in school. I was in school when Jackie was coach. We didn't win them all, but we had some great moments & a great time. My boys won't get that & it saddens me.
Otherwise my caring would be next to zero.
I feel bad for my boys who are currently in school. I was in school when Jackie was coach. We didn't win them all, but we had some great moments & a great time. My boys won't get that & it saddens me.
Otherwise my caring would be next to zero.
I won’t level,it at all. It will make it even more unequal.
Show us your work. Explain step by step how it will make it more unequal.
Some schools will be more equal than others because they can afford to pay for the optional bells and whistles that make things better and more convenient?
Money, my friend
There are schools that may be good stewards & there are schools that may have shortfalls and can’t fund everything
Some may even reclassify to follow St. Francis PA which previously announced they were moving to D3 largely because of the changes which mean that schools that to fund more to keep up… and if schools don’t have enough money they’ll fall behind…
That’s basically it.
Follow the money. See who’s spending and who’s not.
I’m seriously not sure how that relates to what I’m saying.
Money, my friend
There are schools that may be good stewards & there are schools that may have shortfalls and can’t fund everything
Some may even reclassify to follow St. Francis PA which previously announced they were moving to D3 largely because of the changes which mean that schools that to fund more to keep up… and if schools don’t have enough money they’ll fall behind…
That’s basically it.
Follow the money. See who’s spending and who’s not.
don’t quote me on these exact numbers but it’s something similar to this (I have a spreadsheet somewhere)
the 4 years before NIL 80% of 4 and 5 stars went to 10 ish different schools
each year after NIL that 80% dropped significantly to those same schools
why? Bc smu and other schools who aren’t traditionally good spent money to get 1 or 2 good players
that helps create a more level playing field
now the MSUs of the world can have a chance against the ALABAMAS bc Alabama has less talent.
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The Longhorns are using the same strategy as other schools, by frontloading deals before the House Settlement is put into place.
Yeah, that makes sense because State is a P4 school
But are G6 schools affected similarly?
I’d say no since their funding streams are not as great (e.g., TV revenue)
I never said anything about helping G4 schools but I don’t think G4 schools are gonna be any different really.
They are still gonna get similar talent to what they had before comparatively.
How do we compete with that?....Answer is...."We Don't". MSU along with a few other schools only play for 6,7,8, & 9 win seasons with an average bowl trip somewhere that makes us all feel good about the next year.Texas Actually Spending $35-$40 Million On Its Football Roster This Season? Welcome To The New Era
The Longhorns are using the same strategy as other schools, by frontloading deals before the House Settlement is put into place.
I sent my daughter to Alabama and now have one at Texas. Just couldn’t bear to see them suffer a life of losing and mediocrity that I have endured for 50 years Now I pull for both of their schools and use that as elixir to soothe my Saturday wounds….. that I still sign up for
You should try a Rhodes College football game in Memphis. It's like a small Ivy League school where players are all walk-ons. You want to talk about going "all out" and leaving it on the field.....these kids do it. It is very satisfying to watch them play for basically nothing. Field is nice....about like a decent high school field. Campus is beautiful age-old buildings. I went to a couple games over the last 20 or so years, and those kids play as hard as they do at Miss. State or Memphis. And the price of admission is very reasonable. Bout like a big high school game. As much as I spend now on MSU athletics, I may be just as happy to support Rhodes and go home with a lot more money in my pocket.
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I think all the schools were able to pay players previously; they can do it now without having to hide so much of the table. It's always been a matter of who is the richest until they figure out a way to police payments to players. I will not invest in college ball as much as I have in the past. I think schools like Alabama or Ohio State have historically been better than others, hiding their spending or stockpiling talent. More than anything else, the change of transfer rules have screwed things up for those schools.
If you think the big boys would have allowed this had it made things more equal, I’ve got a bridge in NYC I’d like to sell you.
Actually that is a very logical argument, unless you have your head in the sand.
Everything has changed to benefit the big dollar schools even more. All other schools are for developing talent so they can steal and compete for NCs. ESPN loves it because they don't want a Mississippi State vs Duke NC game. Business is Business.
Well I will say with us being terrible two years in a row and not maintaining players or any signs of improvement I watch less than I ever have. And I don't watch other game. Like I used to outside of marquee games