How do you fire Stans?

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HD6

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third in the West, fourth overall in the SEC playing second in the Big XII south, third overall on January 2 isn't the same as being one of the last 16 teams with a chance to win a national title. Would you rank either Ole Miss or Oklahoma State in the top 16 teams in the country?
 
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Everything is Stans fault. Nevermind the fact our players do some of the dumbest things on the court, but its not their fault. Stans should have coached them better so they are blameless.

Their is plenty of blame to go around for tonights debacle and its not all on the coaches.
 

HD6

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Winning in the second round, not winning in December.
 

Coach34

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did you think we could hire a Dan Mullen to come to State?

I did- and said so repeatedly over the years...basketball wont be any different
 

DawgatAuburn

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In other words, having a better seed in the tournament. And that, my friend, is determined on the body of work, including the quality of the opponents you have.
 

HD6

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because we were firing a perennial loser, and we play in the SEC, so it's an easy sell. You give a coordinator a million dollar raise, you get him. You really think we'll hire an assistant and pay him a million?
 

HD6

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ask yourself this, if our 3 losses were to Kansas, Duke, and Texas by the margin you would expect those teams to beat us by, would you think that would mean we would be more likely to win in the second round of the tournament should we get there?
 

AshleySchaffer

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I just dont see how a Brad Stevens or WOJO from Duke would leave their current job to take ours.

I dont know of ANY BCS HEAD COACHES that would take our job.

You keep saying Dan Mullen, who YES was a great hire, BUT he wasnt a head coach.
Basketball is VERY DIFFERENT from College football with as many D1 schools as there are out there you almost Have to Hire somebody with head coaching experience.
 

Coach34

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"<span class="post-title">We were a 2 seed in 2004 and lost"

Werent we a 4 seed when Williams got us to a Final Four? What seed were we when we made the Sweet 16 against UCLA?</span>
 

HD6

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also of note, the only time we have ever had a NBA lottery pick on our team. But there's no correlation to that, of course.
 

Coach34

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we got to the Sweet 16 more because of 00 than we did because of 25....</p>

Varnado is every bit as effective a player as Damp was in college, if not more...00 was the reason 95 was special</p>
 

ArrowDawg

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......Kennedy did, and though he may not have been a head coach at a big-time program when OM hired him, he seems to have been a great find. Sure, he has a propensity for getting drunk and slapping around foreign cab drivers in his off time, but he's a good basketball coach and it appears he's about to own MSU and Stansbury for a while to come.

That's just a dose of reality, and I'm a Stansbury fan for God's sake. I'm not one of the people saying we should fire him. I guess I've softened up some.
 

HD6

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both times we have made it past the first weekend, we have had a least one first round NBA draft choice on our roster. The one time we made it to the Final Four, we had 2.

Dampier was a lot better offensively, primarily because he was more physical.
 

Coach34

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Fla stole Marshall's coach- Donovan
Georgia stole Tubby from Tulsa
Tennessee stole Pearl from Wisconsin-GB
Mississippi got Kennedy after he wasnt re-hired at Cincy (say what you want, he owns the best 3 season stretch in their history- bout to be 4)

Where was Jay Wright before Villanova?
Calhoun before UConn?

The list goes on and on
 

HD6

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3 straight years without the NCAA tourney is certainly what we're shooting for. I can only hope Kennedy buries Stansbury the same way Ole Miss buried us in football this season.

I'll buy the gun if you promise to kill yourself with it. Just let me know.
 

Coach34

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Dampier his Soph year was no more effective than Swat...Williams did a much better job of coaching and running Wilson off screens to get shots- thats the difference
 

tenureplan

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wouldn't you be taking the opposite opinion?

That said, I agree that it was 00's team, but I would also give alot of credit to that other first round pick as well as the best role player (Russell Walters) that we have ever had. (Brandon Vincent is a close second).

Oops - 95 then...Grant had a very good tourney did he not?

The role player is what we are missing off this year's team. Phil did a good job fielding that role last year, but he isn't getting enough minutes to do the same this year.
 

DawgatAuburn

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When you start throwing out ridiculous scenarios that no one has ever suggested, you clearly are grasping. But for kicks, I'll answer, sort of. We don't need to play those teams. Never said we did. We need to look at the bottom four or five teams in our typical schedule and replace 2-3 of those with top 100 or 125 teams. That is completely doable. There are teams in the Valley, the Horizon, the OVC, C-USA, the A-10 and the like that would love to play an SEC team. If it means a home and home, then fine. I have a theory on why we don't do that. Stansbury knows that when we play Charlotte, WKU, UAB, Southern Illinois, etc, that he is just as likely to lose as win. And since most of his fan base is like you, happy with 20 wins and NCAA bids ~half the time, there is no need to do it. Just play weak teams, pad the stats, become the all time winningest coach, get into the NCAAs and have free time from mid-March through early April every year.

IF we were to upgrade the schedule, I guess there are three possibilities. One, Stans would get better in coaching against non SEC teams, or hire better staff members to help with that, and we would start winning those games and have a better seed and eventually push through to the SS. Two, Stans would struggle, we would miss the NCAAs several years in a row and he would get canned. Three, we would win about the same number of games and still struggle in the NCAAs, meaning this would not have been the right approach.
 

Coach34

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HD6 said:
3 straight years without the NCAA tourney is certainly what we're shooting for. I can only hope Kennedy buries Stansbury the same way Ole Miss buried us in football this season.

I'll buy the gun if you promise to kill yourself with it. Just let me know.

thats exactly the way Stansbury started his tenure as head coach
 
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with his zero trips to the ncaa tournament in his career as Mississippi's head coach. Yeah he is turning them into a basketball juggernaut.</p>
 

HD6

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You really just make it up as you go. Ole Miss went to three straight NCAA tourneys in Evans' last two years plus Barnes' first. And are you asking where Jim Calhoun was prior to 1986? UConn was nothing before he arrived, it's like asking where Adolph Rupp was before Kentucky.

Another thing to remember, but you won't, because you are stupid. All of those teams were losing or replacing a coach who left for another job. None of them were firing a long time winner. Donovan replaced Kruger who had gone to Illinois. Smith replaced the retiring Hugh Durham. Pearl replaced Buzz Peterson, who was terrible. Kennedy replaced Barnes, who was terrible. Wright replaced Steve Lappas, who made one tourney his last 4 years. None of those schools were forcing out a proven winner like we would be in your dream scenario.
 

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We need to start beefing up the schedule.

Playing better teams will get us more national exposure which will lead to better recruiting.

Gonzaga certainly did not get where they are in recognition by scheduling cup-cakes every year.
 

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We lost to a team that went to the Sweet 16 last year- or that's what my Dad told me, I wasn't keeping up- on the ROAD. People want us to schedule better? We scheduled freaking UCLA on the road, and beat their ***, we scheduled a good WKU team on the road, and people ***** about the schedule? Playing Kansas, UNC, Duke, UCLA, is no less retarded than what LT did to us in football. And there's no way in hell those teams are going to go to Starkville. And just like we didn't get to go to a bowl because of our schedule, if we play an impossible non-conference schedule, we won't go to the Big Dance either. But of course, that's the only way to get a coach out that is winning.

And comparing a guy that has THE MOST WINS in MSU history, along with a couple of SEC Tournament Championships, an SEC regular season championship, multiple NCAA appearances, several pointless and utterly meaningless SEC West Championships to a guy who basically won a Liberty Bowl and had a losing career record is utterly ludicrous.

What's sad to me here is this- if you read between the lines, this all about Stansbury not running a "cute offense". It doesn't matter that we're winning. And I have a feeling that if we made the Sweet 16, that wouldn't matter either. Then it would be Stans fault that we don't make the Elite 8. It doesn't matter that we have success with what Stansbury is doing- which may very well be the I-formation of basketball, but it has worked in general. I mean, hey! Let's lose with a guy like Pelphrey that at least has a "fun" offense. I mean, it's not really about wins and losses, it's about being cute on offense. Hey! Ole Miss beat us by 40, but did you see those awesome back cuts! I mean, seriously.

And the only way to get the guy fired is to put him in a completely impossible situation that a guy like a Calipari might not be able to handle. Backstabbing sons of bitches. Pitiful.

I'll be honest- the ONLY way I would support Byrne firing Stansbury is if we totally tank the rest of the season. And if Byrne fired Stansbury right now, he would definately get an e-mail from me on Stansbury's behalf. But I have a lot more faith in Byrne's common sense.
 

fishwater99

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I think we will be finding out pretty soon b/c Byrne is going to make us schedule a tougher OOC in the near future...</p>
 

HD6

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and since you are his lapdog, I just assumed you agreed. He has said many times we should play teams that would never give us a return game. But fine, we'll play your scenario. If we had lost 3 games to three top 100 teams, I'll go with Siena (currently 75), Northern Colorado (currently 85), and and Northern Iowa (currently 48), would you think that we would be better in the NCAA tournament?
 

ArrowDawg

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........stupid mother17er? I guess it's too hard for an egotistical, self-aggrandizing prick such as yourself to understand how to comprehend the difference between future, present and past tense speech.
 

HD6

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Don't you know what kind of person I am from reading my posts on the internet?

I seem to remember those "Kennedy is about to own Stansbury" posts before our game last year in Oxford.
 

DawgatAuburn

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Do you really think that for a big enough raise those guys would care about who just got fired there?

So if you got a job offer making 2-3 times what you make but the guy before you , while popular, had gotten fired for not doing X Y and Z that his customers had been asking for, that you would just stay put and pass up the money and the opportunity to prove what YOU could do?
 

OMlawdog

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Can cost you several seeding spots. At the end of the day, the more wins in December gives you a better chance for a top 4 seed. Losses to Rider (at home), Richmond on neutral court, and a(7-4) WKU team that lost to Indiana State at home, are going to cost you. Could be the difference between a 6 seed and a 4 seed. A 4 seed plays an automatic bid team, a 6 seed plays a bubble team that is usually more dangerous. I've thought the people that Bash Stans just bash because they are bored with his success, but watching tonight's game was brutal if you are an MSU fan. The talent disparity between the two teams was tremendous. They couldn't really stop the pick and roll with Bost and Varnado, and the offense looked like a stall offense with little no movement. Defensively, MSU played well, but they should have pounded WKU down low. There was literally no offensive game plan on the half court sets. Most of the time they were playing the same offense we ran in High School, with 4 guys at the 3 point line and our best interior player moving around the paint. I still think Stans is a good coach, but these losses just add fuel to the fire, and it should be interesting to see how the year plays out, because MSU is a top 25 team based on talent.
 

Columbus Dawg

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I'm not going to get in a long discussion with you on this again, but your point about Ole Miss was not a good one. There is no selection committee when it comes to the SEC and bowl games.

The NCAA basketball committee is going to look at quality wins and we have ZERO. Even if we were undefeated we would only have 1 or 2. Our schedule gives us NO margin for error. We are really behind the 8ball as far as getting into the NCAAT and we have virtually no chance of getting a Top 7 seed. I'm sorry you keep fighting this losing battle.

And also, if we hadn't played such a joke of a schedule the past few weeks, we might have been more prepared to win this game.
 

HD6

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A coach would look at us and say "You fired your all-time winningest coach who had brought you more continued success than you have ever had at your school. What exactly are you expecting from me?"
 

Coach34

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1. Kennedy has won more games at Mississippi in his 3 years than any other coach did in 3 years in their history- that is a fact

"None of them were firing a long time winner"

Stansbury really isnt big winner. He is 17-44 vs top 25 teams. Less than 40% vs the Top 50...Lots of coaches will look at how he hasnt made a Sweet 16 in 12 years and still has a job and think- "damn, it doesnt take much to keep your job there- beat nobodys OOC and win in a ****** conference"

Dont act like we would be replacing Bobby Knight here
 

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Mizu, Marlyand, and Seton Hall. Fairly big on name but not as big on the court. I think we could get a home and home with all 3.
 

Coach34

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HD6 said:
A coach would look at us and say "You fired your all-time winningest coach who had brought you more continued success than you have ever had at your school. What exactly are you expecting from me?"

He's won one SEC title and 2 Tourney titles in 12 years...most coaches would think they could surpass that fairly easily...Not making a Sweet 16 and still having a job after 12 years makes us the ultimate in job security....</p>

How many coaches in major conferences have their job after 12 years with no Sweet 16's?</p>
 
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