How does playing JSU make us a better football team?

[basedog]

If we can't beat the LaTech's of the world we ain't gonna go bowling anyway! No way it can help us in recruiting, do you think kids will jump and say "man I can't wait to play JSU"? If JSU can't sell $10 tickets in Jackson and they have drawn less and less crowds every year, what makes you think they will load up and travel to Starkville and pay $40 dollars? Beating them means nothing to our program, it has no value in getting better as a team nor program.
If Byrne thinks this is best for Msu then he isn't getting the big picture, I would much rather play a Usm team which would bring more money and be a much more interesting game and would mean a helluva lot more to the state of Ms.! Usm is not even close to what they were in the 70's and 80's or even the 90's as for as a football program!
I think Greg Byrne went to sleep on this game. I can't see Msu fans lining up to buy tickets for this game!

 

[basedog]

If we can't beat the LaTech's of the world we ain't gonna go bowling anyway! No way it can help us in recruiting, do you think kids will jump and say "man I can't wait to play JSU"? If JSU can't sell $10 tickets in Jackson and they have drawn less and less crowds every year, what makes you think they will load up and travel to Starkville and pay $40 dollars? Beating them means nothing to our program, it has no value in getting better as a team nor program.
If Byrne thinks this is best for Msu then he isn't getting the big picture, I would much rather play a Usm team which would bring more money and be a much more interesting game and would mean a helluva lot more to the state of Ms.! Usm is not even close to what they were in the 70's and 80's or even the 90's as for as a football program!
I think Greg Byrne went to sleep on this game. I can't see Msu fans lining up to buy tickets for this game!

 

[dawgstudent]

I bet there will be over 52K. I guarantee JSU will bring more than what USM could bring. JSU has a bigger following than USM when they are playing well. And it's probably cheaper to play JSU.

 

[JacksonDevilDog]

I bet when we play JSU, the crowd will be near capacity. JSU will bring 6,000 or maybe more. They have been dying for a game like this and they will show up in droves. It helps us because we pay them little and we get a larger attendance than we would versus La Tech or SELA (any other D-1AA school).

 

[dawgstudent]

Attendance for the Southern U game in Jackson 2 weeks ago...

http://jsutigers.cstv.com...s/2008-2009/su100308.html

 <font><font face="verdana">Date: Oct 04, 2008 Site: Jackson, MS Stadium: Memorial Attendance: <span style="font-weight: bold;">42513</span> </font></font>

 

[ArrowDawg]

....is one of our 2 measly wins this year.

 

[patdog]

Playing Jackson State gives us a cheap easy win, allows us to play 7 home games per year consistently, and gives us a big draw for a buy game. As far as making us a better team, it makes us a better team in the same way that:

Western Kentucky makes Alabama a better team
Western Illinois makes Arkansas a better team
UT-Martin makes Auburn a better team
The Citidel makes Florida a better team
GA Southern makes Georgia a better team
Norfolk St. makes Kentucky a better team
Appalachian St. and North Texas make LSU a better team
Samford makes Mississippi a better team
Wofford makes South Carolina a better team

Get the picture? Not all 12 games are scheduled to "make you a better team." Some games are scheduled to get you an easy win. And Jackson State is our easy win for 2009.</p>

 

[ArrowDawg]

And Jackson State is our easy win for 2009.</p>

Well, at least we "think" it is. You never know with us.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

Why not replace a road game against a crappy team with them instead of la tech?

I think the idea of playing them is actually a good one. I just don't see why they picked this game to replace, especially after traveling there this year. No reason some other team couldn't have been scheduled at home in 2012.

 

[dawgstudent]

to move the LA Tech game than move the MTSU game.

 

[patdog]

moving the LA Tech game to 2012 allows us to have 7 home games that year too. We might have been able to swap out the MTSU road game, which would have given us 8 home games, but that would have been a bad move for two reasons. 1) It either jacks up the season ticket price so high that it hurts sales, or it forces you to cut the price (either one of which hurts revenues) and 2) it makes it harder to consistently schedule 7 home games every season and keeps us on the Templeton roller coaster of having 6 road games every other year.

 

[ArrowDawg]

Makes sense to me. At this point it looks like Byrne is doing what he can schedule-wise to set us up for success.

His next move needs to be to force an OC change.

 

[basedog]

Southern fans brought about half of those fans to the game. No way do I think Jsu is a more interesting game than Usm plus I think Usm would bring over 10,000 to Starkville. Anyway you look at it, playing Jsu isn't gonna help in the long run.
Good move, I say not. I ain't even interested in seeing us play any swac team! I guess will hear the media calling this a "darling game" as well.

 

[onewoof]

and despite what people may say when i mention this, but JSU and their fans will be happy to play against Croom. It will be a chance for them to rise up and challenge an SEC team and I feel that most JSU fans and coaches look up to Coach Croom.

 

[Rebheaded Stranger]

The amount of media coverage, local, regional, and national that will accompany an SEC school playing an HBCU is huge. Major dollars would have to be spent to get that much run.

I can't think of a better move. I think it's genius. And I'd say the same thing if it were Ole Miss scheduling the game.

 

[RaiderDawg24]

MTSU has been screwed out of a few home return games in the past, so they ask for a lot in return now for moving games. When Memphis asked to move this year's game so they could play Louisville, it ended up costing Memphis 2 more games with MT, including a second game in Murfreesboro. Vandy moving a game with MT last year helped MT land a 2 and 2 series straight up with the Dores. If Byrne had tried to move the MT game, it would have probably ended up costing another home and home with MT. Byrne, unlike LT, isn't going to do that again.

 

[vhdawg]

....will most likely not extend much further than the Clarion-Ledger sitting at the end of your driveway. Nobody else will care.

 

[saddawg]

....will most likely not extend much further than the Clarion-Ledger sitting at the end of your driveway. Nobody else will care.

Unless we lose it.

Very possible occurrence with Croom in charge.

 

[drunkernhelldawg]

old-fashioned politics turns grown men and women into idiots and fools.

I'm excited about it. I hope their band does a show.

 

[Fletch Fletcher]

If Byrne thinks this is best for Msu then he isn't getting the big picture, I would much rather play a Usm team which would bring more money

The "big picture" is that Byrne is shuffling the schedule to secure 7 home games each year. USM won't play us unless we play a return game in Hattiesburg (which won't happen for many reasons), thus creating a future conflict for scheduling 7 home games a year.

Oh, and you're wrong about another thing. JSU fans will come in droves to Starkville. I'd say that game will be damn close to a sellout. USM on the other hand, is notorious for their fan's lack of attendance. They are only averaging about 30K per home game this year. Pretty bad considering the new expansion, the new head coach, and the new "attack" offense.

 

[Dawg152]

Per Rick Cleveland in this mornings paper JSU will recieve the biggest payout in school history. So much for it being cheap.

 

[patdog]

And considering they'll bring in at least $300,000 of revenue, paying them that much for the game is a bargain if there ever was one.</p>

 

[patdog]

As dawgstudent has pointed out, a lot of their fans show up for the big games, and the MSU game will be a huge one for them. As for USM, you do realize the whole point of this is to schedule a I-AA game don't you? You can argue that we should be playing USM instead of GA Tech, MTSU, or Houston all you want to. People may disagree with you, but at least you've got a defensible point if you want to argue those. But you've got no leg to stand on by arguing that we shouldn't play a I-AA game EVERY year.

 

[dawgstudent]

JSU, when they are good or have a big game, draws more than USM. They played Tenn St in Memphis and the attendance was 50794.

And how does playing USM, UAB, Houston, Tulane, MTSU, or LA Tech help in the long run?

 

[Stormrider81]

First and foremost, we would have to do a home and home with USM, so comparing them to JSU isn't even close to being equivalent.

Secondly, USM would be a toss-up game whereas JSU should really be an easy win. With 8 SEC games and at least 1 tough OOC opponent, we need at least 1 easy win.

Finally, they will show up in droves and be relatively cheap, allowing us to buy a home game, an easy win, and still do well in ticket sales and in-state attention.

"Anyway you look at it, playing Jsu isn't gonna help in the long run."

It will if we end up bowl eligible because of a win over JSU rather than a loss against a USM type team. In a 12 game schedule and playing in the SEC, not to mention being an unstable program, we need as many gimme wins as we can get.

 

[8dog]

to get the new SEC money in hand to buy a 1A team that year along with a 1AA team to make the 7 game schedule happen.

 

[DerHntr]

/or just call him Mr. Exclamation Point</p>

 

[dawgstudent]

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[Eureka Dog]

1. It's a home game...it's a move toward assuring MSU 7 home games on an annual basis
2. It's a home game...The local merchants sure appreciate another home game regardless of the opponent
3. It's an affordable home game... $300K is a deal. Remember why we've lost scheduled home games with other schools? $300K is less than 1/2 of what we'd hay to pay some other schools from lesser conferences. For our cash-strapped Ath. Dept., this is what MSU will have to do over the foreseeable future.
4. It may be as close as we can come to a "cupcake game" as is feasible in the current college FB landscape.
5. JSU will bring as many or more fans than many other teams would bring.
6. We've seen how playing La. Tech. in a home-and-home series is working out. Most posters have been rather wary of the MTSU series as well.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

1. You replaced another home game with a home game. Don't see how this helps (JSU could have just as easily been scheduled for '12 as La Tech)
2. no it's not. You already had a home game for this
3. You had already gone to Ruston, so you wouldn't be paying La Tech Jack **** either
4. agree
5. agree probably
6. agree

i'd add

7. It could be good publicity

 

[8dog]

the difficult part in getting a 7 game home schedule is not finding 1AA teams. Its finding home games with 1A teams. This now means we have secured one 1A team for 012. We didn't need anymore for 09. Now we just have to get one more 1A team in 012 to have a 7 game season. We can find a 1AA team for 2012 in 2012.

Plus, in today's 12 game schedule world, it is utterly ridiculous to have a schedule that doesn't include a 1AA team if you are MSU.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

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[HammerOfTheDogs]

I like playing a 1-AA school from in-State because it keeps the money in Mississippi. Also, it gins up interest in what would normally be a dull I-AA game. If we played SE Louisiana, we'd have maybe 40,000 there in 2009. By playing J-State, it could be as high as 52,000. Also, with the way the 12 game schedule works, we're no longer held hostage by two-bit "Bowl Championship League" programs that either ditch us for a higher bidder, or make us take a 2 for 1. Finally, this is going to be one of our "easy" games. Because the players know each other, I think the MState team will pay attention during the week before playing them, unlike when they play so-called "patsies" like Maine or LA Tech.

 

[Agentdog]

Attendance at the Southern Heritage Classic is not a good indicator of how well JSU fans travel. The game is marketed in Memphis like a bowl game and is attended by locals mostly. You would never know the teams were in town if not for the marketing. In my 13 years there, I recall seeing very few car flags, fans, and etc. of either team. However, I did know a few guys who went to the game that had no affiliation to either school.

My .02 on this thread......even though I don't think 30, 20, or even 10K JSU fans travel to Memphis for the Southern Heritage or Starkville. I think JSU will bring more fans than anyother 1AA team or even LaTEch to Starkville. Even though JSU got their largest payout, it is probably cheaper than most other teams and they will bring a few more fans. That is what this is all about. A cheap payout to a team that will sell a few more tickets than most 1AA.

Good move for JSU. Push for MSU. The additional income from this game will not lead to a bigger budget.

 

[USMatFTL]

Some of you are idiots. I went to both USM/JSU games. Sellout each time. Easy win the second time. Great halftime show both times. If you can't beat JSU, just fricking quit. Seriously.

However, you guys will maul JSU. They didn't know anything about special teams last time they visited H'burg. They aren't even as good as SE Louisiana. SWAC teams are sooooo weak! SWAC teams still haven't won a SINGLE I-AA playoff game, not one! They ain't Maine! Trey Rutland might be their best overall athlete, and that's sad!

This is an easy sellout. JSU fans will show up huge. Good PR for MSU. USM is playing Alcorn next year as well. Ole Miss will get some curious looks now. USM and MSU can call Ole Miss 'crackers' again.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

USM and MSU can call Ole Miss 'crackers' again.

When have we ever stopped?</p>

 

[tossedoff]

For some reason HBC's travel better than attend their own home games. That's why most of them are involved in "classic" games around the country a few times throughout the season.

 

[fishwater99]

Bunch of racist with a confederate flag.

No way they will play a SWAC school, they are above that or don't want them on their campus...

 

[Shmuley]

the secondary reason, and probably a distant second, is that it is a decent PR move.

Since I go to games to, you know, watch a f'n football game, I'm completely ambivalent about this move. The game itself is going to completely suck. I don't give a runny **** about halftime shows or tailgating.