I know he will probably give Mullen a contract extension (ie. tack on another year), which he probably should. However, the fan in me wants Strick to hold off or tell Mullen he has to beat a top 25 team to get the fourth year and any pay raise. What say the board? I just don't think it is too much to ask in year 5? We should up or competitveness every year.
How does Strick play it?
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100% deserves an extension. I would also give him a small raise but set expectations the next raise comes when he brings the egg back.
ya'll are effin stupid.. Mullen is our *****. and we are his.. jesus,,,, ya'll are getting maniacal.... were bowling again douchebags....did Crxxms do that? Keep smokin that cheddar.... Our Staidium is gonna be nuts in 2 yrs.... Mullen or no Mullen....
We won 8 games for just the 10th time in the last 65 years
we are playing in a NYD bowl game for only the 3rd time since the 1940's
By our standards- we just had one of the best seasons in school history
We ARE more competitive than we used to be. We no longer lose to La Tech, Houston, Maine, and so many other of the crap teams that have beaten us over the years.
Mullen will get his extention and then he will make the staff adjustments he seems necessary
we are playing in a NYD bowl game for only the 3rd time since the 1940's
By our standards- we just had one of the best seasons in school history
We ARE more competitive than we used to be. We no longer lose to La Tech, Houston, Maine, and so many other of the crap teams that have beaten us over the years.
Mullen will get his extention and then he will make the staff adjustments he seems necessary
I agree, though I may not change Koening , just becasue the offense is Mullin's. I don't think it matters who he gets. The offense is up to him. Or if it's not, it should be. I have a lot of faith in Mullin though, and think he should be here for a long long time, so maybe I am biased.
With our schedule
He met minimal expectations and there are very obvious problems. Problems we need to get fixed now. Just like when we had discipline problems in 1999 and 2000- we didn't correct that and then we paid for it dearly because we didn't correct it.
Who cares what Croom did? He's gone.
He met minimal expectations and there are very obvious problems. Problems we need to get fixed now. Just like when we had discipline problems in 1999 and 2000- we didn't correct that and then we paid for it dearly because we didn't correct it.
Who cares what Croom did? He's gone.
That's the million dollar question
Is how much of the offense is Dan's doing and how much is Les. It may be that Les is in the way. Coach34 told me one time that we at least need someone to scout and etc., so I don't doubt that's the case. Maybe we just need a young, creative mind and let him learn from Dan- maybe someone like Troy's OC?
Our offense under Les has been better than it was under Croom- congratulation to Coach Koenning on finishing above 100 in total offense- but it's still not all that great. We finished 78, 40, then back to 70 (I think) and are currently 77 in total offense. So, other than one year, we've been in the bottom half of the country in total offense.
Is how much of the offense is Dan's doing and how much is Les. It may be that Les is in the way. Coach34 told me one time that we at least need someone to scout and etc., so I don't doubt that's the case. Maybe we just need a young, creative mind and let him learn from Dan- maybe someone like Troy's OC?
Our offense under Les has been better than it was under Croom- congratulation to Coach Koenning on finishing above 100 in total offense- but it's still not all that great. We finished 78, 40, then back to 70 (I think) and are currently 77 in total offense. So, other than one year, we've been in the bottom half of the country in total offense.
I can give the offensive coaches a buy the last 2 years because we are still developing the online depth/talent and this should be improved more next year. Now the defense is unexplainable to me at this point and likely has to do with coaching.
That's about right. Give him a raise to his base salary ... 8-4 and a bowl (not sure it's a NYD one just yet like C34 says) but also bonuses for beating difficult teams, particularly all ranked SEC teams and top 25 teams from other conferences. Might even think of a penalty the same order of magnitude as the bonus if he loses to a "cupcake", e.g., Troy, LaTech, MTSU or any FCS or Division II team. Make returning/keeping the Egg a bonus like any other SEC team.
Couldn't you make a similar argument for the 2007 year? Then what happens in 2008, we start the very first game by losing to La Tech. *** extension/raise should depend on him making changes just like in 2007 Croom should have been required to make changes on offense in order to get the raise/extension. We won 8 games in 2007 but offense was horriable.
This is getting comical. I'm not trying to rail on you or even say anything negative about Dan, I'm just going to point out that you now sound exactly like those you railed for being Stansbury apologists. "But we have been to the tournament x number of times in school history, and stans has x of them". "We are competitive every year". Like I said, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, just noting the irony. All we need now is somebody to give him a cute nickname (ala "the recruiter") and we will have a full role reversal on our hands. Could be funny. Maybe "The Cupcake Destroyer"?
If you have to start telling the man you are paying 2.3 mil per year which assistants he should keep and which ones to replace, you need to nut up and just replace him. I think that you let the head man decide his staff. After all ... he is betting his million dollar plus job on his staff and on what a bunch of 18 to 22 year olds will do 12 weeks during the fall.
My God why does people not understand Stansbury was in year 14!!!
not the same as a rebuild in year 4 of a program with NO history
won 8 games for the TENTH 10th 1.0.t.h time in 65 years!!
if we are winning 8 games in 2020 and losing to 6-6 Ole miss and our wins are against teams 2-whatever SEC teams ...then we will complain
but right now realize we sucked from 2001-2010 and we have no foundation to start at
tyson lee
zach smith
4 wr's
I could go on and ON!!
not the same as a rebuild in year 4 of a program with NO history
won 8 games for the TENTH 10th 1.0.t.h time in 65 years!!
if we are winning 8 games in 2020 and losing to 6-6 Ole miss and our wins are against teams 2-whatever SEC teams ...then we will complain
but right now realize we sucked from 2001-2010 and we have no foundation to start at
tyson lee
zach smith
4 wr's
I could go on and ON!!
Your reading skillz....they suck. I'll just leave it at that. I don't have the time to try to make you understand (efforts would be futile anyway - that means it wouldn't work).
Give Dan the extension(he deserves it), but no raise. He has a top 20 salary at $2.65 million a year, plus it's in Starkville, MS, not New York so that $2.65 million goes a loooong way! I think he gets a very competitive salary.
I explained it yesterday- either you missed it or are too dense to understand.
It's one thing to play really easy schedules when you are building your program. That's exactly what you have to do. Where Stansbury got the criticism is that he was still doing it in year 11, year 12...etc...If Mullen is still going 7-5 or 8-4 with super easy schedules in 2018 and 2019- then he will get criticized as well
Plus, Stansbury also played in a weak conference, Mullen coaches in the premier conference in college football. We played 3 top 10 football teams this season- 25% of Stansbury's schedule was never that tough like it would be in the Big East
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Two big differences (and coach34 has mentioned these before).
1. Mullen just in 4th year of taking over Croom's disaster.
2. SEC football ain't SEC basketball. We just went 8-4 in a conference where 6 teams rank in the top 10 in the BCS rankings. If Stansbury won 2/3 of his games when SEC basketball sends 5 or 6 teams to the Elite 8, then people might think differently. The SEC is the king-daddy of college football and it isn't even close. That is not so in basketball. It is a much easier path to success in SEC basketball because the conference isn't nearly as challenging.
2007 vs. 2012
Bingo Hotdawg! Even Croom could find a bone (2007)! Mullen's was in 2010. Other than that, he aint done jack. Given the trend of good year-bad year-good year, Croom could have won more games than Mullen in 2009.
What do you think the record of this years team with the 2007 schedule? Apples to oranges I know but Mullen is no longer distancing himself from Croom.
Analyst Phil Steele ranked MSU's 2007 schedule strength 29th in the Nation in his 2007 preview magazine.
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Bingo Hotdawg! Even Croom could find a bone (2007)! Mullen's was in 2010. Other than that, he aint done jack. Given the trend of good year-bad year-good year, Croom could have won more games than Mullen in 2009.
What do you think the record of this years team with the 2007 schedule? Apples to oranges I know but Mullen is no longer distancing himself from Croom.
Analyst Phil Steele ranked MSU's 2007 schedule strength 29th in the Nation in his 2007 preview magazine.
| Date | Time | Opponent | Site | TV | Result | Attendance |
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| August 30 | 7:00 PM | #2 LSU | Davis Wade Stadium • Starkville, MS | ESPN | L 0–45 | 50,112 |
| September 8 | 6:00 PM | at Tulane* | Louisiana Superdome • New Orleans, LA | CSS | W 38–17 | 31,076 |
| September 15 | 11:30 AM | at Auburn | Jordan–Hare Stadium • Auburn, AL | LFS | W 19–14 | 82,129 |
| September 22 | 6:00 PM | Gardner–Webb* | Davis Wade Stadium • Starkville, MS | W 31–15 | 42,272 | |
| September 29 | 11:00 AM | at #16 South Carolina | Williams-Brice Stadium • Columbia, SC | LFS | L 21–38 | 78,883 |
| October 6 | 1:30 PM | UAB*
| Davis Wade Stadium • Starkville, MS | W 30–13 | 45,259 | |
| October 13 | 1:30 PM | #25 Tennessee | Davis Wade Stadium • Starkville, MS | L 21–33 | 50,217 | |
| October 20 | 2:30 PM | at #9 West Virginia* | Mountaineer Field • Morgantown, WV | ESPN+ | L 13–38 | 61,022 |
| October 27 | 11:30 AM | at #14 Kentucky | Commonwealth Stadium • Lexington, KY | LFS | W 31–14 | 68,173 |
| November 10 | 11:30 AM | #21 Alabama | Davis Wade Stadium • Starkville, MS (Rivalry) | LFS | W 17–12 | 56,188 |
| November 17 | 1:00 PM | at Arkansas | War Memorial Stadium • Little Rock, AR | L 31–45 | 55,185 | |
| November 23 | 11:30 AM | Ole Miss | Davis Wade Stadium • Starkville, MS (Egg Bowl) | LFS | W 17–14 | 51,727 |
| December 29 | 3:30 PM | vs. Central Florida* | Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium • Memphis, TN (Liberty Bowl) | ESPN | W 10–3 | 63,816 |
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Maybe Stansbury and Mullen are similar. Stans got 8-9 seeds in the tournament, Mullen gets picked 8th in the bowl selection order.
Sounds like a good reason to let him play out next year. Less vacancies next year.
and Mullen doesnt lose to teams like Rider, Akron, Fla Atlantic, E Tenn State...etc
People bragging about the number of wins in reference to our history need to acknowledge that we went from a 10 game season to an 11 game season in 1970 and from an 11 to a 12 game season in 2006. I love Mullen, but making stuff up to pump him doesn't do any good for anybody. 8 wins now is the same percentage-wise as between 6 and 7 wins prior to 2006. Likewise, the 12 game schedule has made it a lot easier to make bowl games, so I'm a little iffy on looking at that as some big breakthrough. I would argue for giving Mullen a raise, but he already got a great raise last year. Modest if any raise would be my argument. But an extension for sure, and whatever else it takes to let him and others know that he is solidly our head coach and there is no controversy about that.
Sounds reasonable to me, especially the part of a bonus if he returns the egg bowl to Starkville. I'm not sure that he deserves an extension to his contract, however, after 4 blow out losses to SEC teams.
Don't forget how much the SEC has changed
When y'all won the west back in the 90's your reward was the cotton bowl and you didn't even finish in the top 25, yet in 2010 you finish in the top 15 while coming in 5th in the west. Yes we get that extra 12th game now, but the SEC is a completely different animal.
When y'all won the west back in the 90's your reward was the cotton bowl and you didn't even finish in the top 25, yet in 2010 you finish in the top 15 while coming in 5th in the west. Yes we get that extra 12th game now, but the SEC is a completely different animal.
It's not very realistic to expect MSU to have a top 20 offense when there are conferences and teams that have made it a point to not give two ***** about defense. Can you really compare SEC teams on offense with conferences like the Big12? The Big12 has half their teams in the top 15 in passing yards.
all of this I know, and agree with. Like i said originally, I'm not railing on you, disagreeing, or saying anything bad about Mullen necessarily. I'm just saying it's just - interesting, let's say - to see you take the other perspective in what seems to be becoming a similar argument.