How high or low is your confidence in Stoops?
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It is A LOT higher based on the offseason hires we've made. I was pretty down on him with how we finished last season. I think Gran, Hinshaw and Thomas will help out tremendously. I don't see how we can be recruiting any better given the circumstances. I just have a feeling we find a way to get to 6 this year.
Scale from 1-10. Probably a 6. Most of that score is from recruiting and has done a great job marketing the program along with getting the facility projects done. However, from a roster development (includes discipline in the program, etc) and results on the field he has a long way to go to prove he has what it takes to turn this program around.
I don't believe that anyone (we can hire) can do it if Stoops can't.
Used to be a 10, now it's at about 2.5. Let go of my season tickets as a result. It's never going to happen, folks.
With the roster just now maturing, the recent hires, and small improvements coaching has made, I'm pretty darn confident that Stoops can get us to bowl games yearly.
What I'm not as confident about is whether Stoops will only be capable of bowl games or will he be for us like Mullen is for MSU?
What I'm not as confident about is whether Stoops will only be capable of bowl games or will he be for us like Mullen is for MSU?
60 years of neglect hard to overcome in 3-4 years.
I think Stoops has been learning and I think he really was in a bad position last year with incompetent coaches and associated turmoil. I expect much better performance this year.
The two issues that I have observed with Coach Stoops are (1) structural problems within the team (2) questionable game coaching decisions i.e. the use of TOs and play calling.
The second one should be one he overcomes through experience. He is a smart man with a strong football background, coming from a football family. He can grow into being a good game coach IMO and I think we will see a difference here this season.
The first one is a bit more difficult. Last year there was an apparent breakdown of moral and some dissension mostly surrounding the offense, at least some of which can be attributable to a new OC that for whatever reason did not turn out to be the right fit. But the head coach has to take some responsibility and accountability for the overall performance of the team. Argument could be made that he should have stepped in and taken action earlier before these issues deteriorated the performance and moral of the team. This reflects on an overall question of leadership and management ability. He will need to do better here, the question is does he have what it takes? I'm sure he is aware of his shortcomings and is working hard to resolve them. The staff changes he made are obviously indicative of that. so it's not like he's trying the same things all over again hoping for a different result.
I have a pretty high confidence level that Coach Stoops can eventually become a very good head coach in all areas, and I think he still has a lot of "capital" with the fan base, but I think we have reached the point where the future is now.
The second one should be one he overcomes through experience. He is a smart man with a strong football background, coming from a football family. He can grow into being a good game coach IMO and I think we will see a difference here this season.
The first one is a bit more difficult. Last year there was an apparent breakdown of moral and some dissension mostly surrounding the offense, at least some of which can be attributable to a new OC that for whatever reason did not turn out to be the right fit. But the head coach has to take some responsibility and accountability for the overall performance of the team. Argument could be made that he should have stepped in and taken action earlier before these issues deteriorated the performance and moral of the team. This reflects on an overall question of leadership and management ability. He will need to do better here, the question is does he have what it takes? I'm sure he is aware of his shortcomings and is working hard to resolve them. The staff changes he made are obviously indicative of that. so it's not like he's trying the same things all over again hoping for a different result.
I have a pretty high confidence level that Coach Stoops can eventually become a very good head coach in all areas, and I think he still has a lot of "capital" with the fan base, but I think we have reached the point where the future is now.
Still pretty low. While the hires are nice, he still has yet to show he can make in game adjustments, control a lockeroom, or keep it up for a full season. I have to see it before I believe it. That said, this team can go 5-7 and still be better than last year just because of how tough the schedule is. I just want to see real progression and that doesn't necessarily translate in wins. However, you don't want a 4 win season, that would drop this program's momentum
Then why are you here? Go root for Alabama or Tennessee.
My confidence is extremely high. Stoops made a bad hire in Dawson but we still where an eyelash from 7 wins. When Stoops was hired Joker had turned this program into a laughing stock. Stoops will never come out and say it but he was left a roster that could not win the sunbelt. This year is huge for perception mainly. If by some stupid reason Stoops gets let go if we go 5 7 the next coach will be taking over a really good situation.
10/10. It's amazing what he has done so far. He has exceeded my expectations and continues to get better.
What has Mullen done besides get MSU to a bowl several years in a row? Getting to one this year won't be easy for them, very possible they go 0-6 in the West, I know they are UK's perm East, not sure who they have rotating on this year. I think they struggle bigtime this year getting to a bowl.
Not sure if serious.........
Unless your expectations in the W/L column were 3-9 every year.
Now he has exceeded expectations in the recruiting department and the light a fire under Mitch's butt and build stuff department. But overall the record department is still lacking. In 2016 he must win more than he loses and he must pull an unexpected upset.
My confidence is in the 6.5-7 range. I'm trying not to drink the Blue Kool-Aid until the season starts lol. His off-season hires are pretty solid, and he was able to hold the recruiting class together, and is doing well with the 2017 class.
I think a 6-6 regular season record is doable. We'll see . . . .
I think a 6-6 regular season record is doable. We'll see . . . .
MS did not light a fire under MB AND THE ADMINISTRATION 's butt ,that was done by the fan base the last year of Joker telling all of them the jig was up and the party was over ignoring us!!!!
As compared to a team that has not been to a bowl since 2010 that is something. I think you are viewing MSU from a GA perspective, not a UK perspective. UK once had a series winning record against MSU but, thanks to Mullen's 7 game win streak, that is no longer the case. True, the "way too early" 2016 top 25 lists don't give much credence to this MSU team which is all the more reason it stacks up as another (very) big game for these Cats. MSU, SC, Vandy and MO are UK's SEC "peer opponents". A consistently winning program begins with consistently winning against your peers.
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Well, he did elevate MSU into a #1 ranking once. Though short lived when was the last time UK football ever rose that high in a poll? He also led them to a BCS bowl appearance, or whatever it is called now. Something UK hasn't participated in since, well I guess the early 50s.
If a UK coach ever accomplished that they would receive sainthood. Even if it represented one year among 9 mediocre ones. Fans loved Brooks for his Music City Bowl trips.
We may find out in the first game whether Dawson was a bad hire or not...just saying...had a long conversation with someone recently that is very close to Neil Brown and they said there were also issues there wirh MS so we shall see.
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Good Grief I hate to say this , but I totally agree WC on this:football::football::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::scream::smiley::sunglasses:..I may throw up..am also tired of this six win in plateau junk
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Don't know about the "capital" with the fanbase , but the administration sure has enough "capital" invested and hoping he can figure...I'm one that isn't so sure
The point was that I feel confident that Stoops can get at least 6, maybe 7, regular season wins per yr but I don't know if he can win 8-10 wins per yr. Like Mullen has done.....and in the SEC West.
I've seen flashes to make me think he can and things to make me think he won't. We will just have to wait and see.
That year had as much to do with the luck of the schedule and the perception the SEC west was unbeatable out of division. They got lost 3 of their last 4, the only win against Vandy. Dak and the pressure he puts on defenses was more responsible for that year than Mullen. Without Dak they have been a 5-7 win team. If UGA had gone after Mullen I would have been extremely disappointed.
In 7 seasons he has registered between 8-10 wins 4x. And only 1 losing season....his first. And that's in the West. Most would call it a positive pattern and not "luck."
Don't get us wrong, he's not pulling a Saban down there but he's certainly doing better in Starkville than most in their history.
Don't get us wrong, he's not pulling a Saban down there but he's certainly doing better in Starkville than most in their history.
Player recruitment: A
Asst. coach recruitment: B-
Program enthusiasm: B-
Game planning: C
Game mgmt/Adjustments: D
Game management will come through experience. I am still supportive of Coach Stoops and believe he needs at least 2 more years to truly evaluate his program.
Asst. coach recruitment: B-
Program enthusiasm: B-
Game planning: C
Game mgmt/Adjustments: D
Game management will come through experience. I am still supportive of Coach Stoops and believe he needs at least 2 more years to truly evaluate his program.
Like I said earlier unless this season is a total flop and because of the "capital" UK has invested in him he'll almost assuredly get two more yrs, but next YR is a biggie because if his contract can't be extended or renewed he becomes a lame duck coach for the most part and it will be used against him in recruiting which is his only ace in the hole right now and every other aspect of being a HC is very questionable.
HIGH. These post should be titled differently,
maybe "I don't like Stoops and here's why".
Get behind your program or move on. Plenty of seats for every one interested.
BBN
maybe "I don't like Stoops and here's why".
Get behind your program or move on. Plenty of seats for every one interested.
BBN
Interesting...I'm one of those who is very skeptical if MS can get the job done, but I will be at every UK game this yr except for Otis so where do you put guys like me?
They need a double or triple like for this post------but Stoops does probably deserve some credit.
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As you said, he has exceeded recruiting expectations. He has won every game he was favored to win and won a couple games that he wasn't supposed to win. Has he struggled with in game adjustments at times? Yes. But that is to be expected from a first time head coach. He has met or exceeded all but the most unreasonable expectations. If he has fallen short of your expectations, that's on you for having unreasonable expectations.
I would imagine the fact we had no talent in browns first 2 years led to some rocky times. We could not go tempo because we had zero depth. Stoops admitted himself he's had issue with leadership on offense but he also wanted Gran from the get go. He trusts what gran thinks so that in itself is a big positive.