How MC is not currently a Top 25 team is mind boggling

[4Afan]

Have watched their game films and the teams they played (Moeller on road - LWE and their QB, etc)- have seen the other in front of them - MC has 14 guys with D1 schoolies. That's what I base them on. 14-0 in 8A

You watched game film of every team ranked 14-28?? Impressive.

That Moeller win doesn't look as impressive at the end of the year since they finished with 5 losses and a national rankings of 131. Also have to factor in MC's games against teams like Iggy, Benet, and a down JCA.

 

[Topiarydan1]

You watched game film of every team ranked 14-28?? Impressive.

That Moeller win doesn't look as impressive at the end of the year since they finished with 5 losses and a national rankings of 131. Also have to factor in MC's games against teams like Iggy, Benet, and a down JCA.

Nope - said I've seen films on others in front of them - but they beat BR who is ranked 76 and beat Fenwick who beat ESL ranked 72 and beat Moeller on the road no less and beat the infarmous LWE and beat LA twice and they're a fing 4 peat winner. Cmon. Just cause you obviously have a hardon against MC and CCL you can at least look at Brownsburg and MC and its no fing comparison.

 

[4Afan]

Nope - said I've seen films on others in front of them - but they beat BR who is ranked 76 and beat Fenwick who beat ESL ranked 72 and beat Moeller on the road no less and beat the infarmous LWE and beat LA twice and they're a fing 4 peat winner. Cmon. Just cause you obviously have a hardon against MC and CCL you can at least look at Brownsburg and MC and its no fing comparison.

Obviously there is since your comparing them. No point in comparing them since they didn't play each other. 3 of 4 rankings have Brownsburg ranked higher so that's what it is.

 

[PowerI66]

We need a better national seeding system!

 

[Cross Bones]

We need a better national seeding system!

Very keen observation. Exactly why the IHSA seeding >>>

 

[McCaravan]

You watched game film of every team ranked 14-28?? Impressive.

That Moeller win doesn't look as impressive at the end of the year since they finished with 5 losses and a national rankings of 131. Also have to factor in MC's games against teams like Iggy, Benet, and a down JCA.

Maybe Moeller had some key injuries, I don't know, I do know they were ranked #1 in Ohio when MC beat them and they looked pretty good that week. I know you will volley this as a CCL supporter complaining about people not kissing the ring but honestly man....you have a pretty strong dislike of the CCL and imparticularly MC. I think MC could beat IMG and you dig into some reason why IMG lost instead of why MC won. Just my opinion.

 

[4Afan]

Maybe Moeller had some key injuries, I don't know, I do know they were ranked #1 in Ohio when MC beat them and they looked pretty good that week. I know you will volley this as a CCL supporter complaining about people not kissing the ring but honestly man....you have a pretty strong dislike of the CCL and imparticularly MC. I think MC could beat IMG and you dig into some reason why IMG lost instead of why MC won. Just my opinion.

Maybe Moeller's preseason ranking was off, those aren't the best rankings to use.

I'm fairly indifferent towards MC since I am more drawn to the smaller classes, I just tend be more objective and not so quick to kiss the ring, as you put it.

There's one fan upset that the CCL wasn't mentioned in a year end post on a message board, another claiming MC should be top 15 in the country, and you getting defensive just further proves my point that if you don't bend the knee and praise the CCL the fans get bent out of shape.

In my original post I clearly said the CCL was unquestionably the best conference in the state, but I guess that somehow makes me a hater.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

More general statement but the top IL teams (2-3) can be competitive with a bunch of the top 25 teams in country most years. Sometimes I don't think we give those top teams their due, IMO.

 

[mc140]

The best teams in Illinois would struggle to get to/past the quarters in the biggest classes in Texas.

 

[ramblinman reborn]

Granted I realize that teams from CA, TX, FL and GA are going to have 3-4 teams that are going to be at the top but seeing MC currently at 29 after going 14-0 is mind boggling
Realize chance to sneak into final Top 25 is still a possibility with some states still playing
ESL is 72 and Rice is 76

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I hear you and I don't.

It could very well be that MC is better than their ranking. The problem is that Illinois is not one of the power states that you mentioned. Whoever puts these rankings together looks for Illinois teams to beat teams from the power states or to beat extraordinary programs from other states. Barring any out of state games at all, Illinois teams can never expect to be ranked much higher than where MC is currently ranked. I know that may seem unfair, but Illinois simply needs to get better.

Yes, MC beat Moeller, but this was not a good year for Moeller. If Moeller had finished with a lone loss to MC and won a title, then it's likely that MC would have been ranked higher.

 

[crusader_of_90]

I am amused at the need for some Burt Bees for some hineys!

 

[Doctor_D]

If national ranking is so important, then they need to have as many national games as their schedule will allow, which I believe is 2.

 

[Caravan92]

Maybe Moeller had some key injuries, I don't know, I do know they were ranked #1 in Ohio when MC beat them and they looked pretty good that week. I know you will volley this as a CCL supporter complaining about people not kissing the ring but honestly man....you have a pretty strong dislike of the CCL and imparticularly MC. I think MC could beat IMG and you dig into some reason why IMG lost instead of why MC won. Just my opinion.

I followed the Moeller message board throughout the season. They were clearly a different team in September before the injuries started piling up in October with several key players never returning and then penalties started creeping up. The following week they beat Trinity, who went on to win state and finish No. 1 in Tennessee. Moeller also handled Elder 30–13; Moeller lost to them 16–13 to end their season in the playoffs. Moeller’s other two losses came against St. Edward and St. Xavier. Ironically, all three of those teams were eventually eliminated by undefeated Olentangy, who went on to win the state championship over Elder. BTW On3 has MC listed #24 & #16 on SI.

 

[Chicago312]

If you feel you're a legitimate title contnder then play some big boys in non conference. MC may get some offers due to the d1 talent they have. look into michigan to get Detroit Catholic Central/Cass/St Mary to do a home/away. To The East to Brownsburg from indiana (ranked indiana HS football confuses me still; ha). We know MC projects to be the top team w/ ESTL based on returners....schedule each other first then someone from the midwest.

 

[Caravan92]

If you feel you're a legitimate title contnder then play some big boys in non conference. MC may get some offers due to the d1 talent they have. look into michigan to get Detroit Catholic Central/Cass/St Mary to do a home/away. To The East to Brownsburg from indiana (ranked indiana HS football confuses me still; ha). We know MC projects to be the top team w/ ESTL based on returners....schedule each other first then someone from the midwest.

We (alumni, students, players, parents & fans) understand what’s needed and a lot want that. Are you aware of the CCL scheduling tho? Last 3 years we opened with ESL, Hun & Moeller. That was our only open date… in 2026 we are attempting to add another in week 2 at the expense of dropping a 103 year rivalry against St. Rita. Am I happy about that? Yes, but I’m sure some alumni will wonder why and the players looked Fwd to competing with kids they played with/against in grammar school, some still being close friends. Just as ESL’s Conference won’t let them move above 6A we are required to play a 7 game CCL Schedule. I doubt IHSA will allow an extra game before or after the season, but maybe in the future CCL will relax the non-conference scheduling...

 

[SiuCubFan8]

If you feel you're a legitimate title contnder then play some big boys in non conference. MC may get some offers due to the d1 talent they have. look into michigan to get Detroit Catholic Central/Cass/St Mary to do a home/away. To The East to Brownsburg from indiana (ranked indiana HS football confuses me still; ha). We know MC projects to be the top team w/ ESTL based on returners....schedule each other first then someone from the midwest.

They kinda did that and are looking to do exactly that in 2026.

 

[McCaravan]

If you feel you're a legitimate title contnder then play some big boys in non conference. MC may get some offers due to the d1 talent they have. look into michigan to get Detroit Catholic Central/Cass/St Mary to do a home/away. To The East to Brownsburg from indiana (ranked indiana HS football confuses me still; ha). We know MC projects to be the top team w/ ESTL based on returners....schedule each other first then someone from the midwest.

MC is doing that....the last three season openers they played ESL which everyone wanted to see and won....they played the Hun School out of New Jersey and lost in literally the last minute, and they went on the road and beat Moeller in Ohio. Week 2 as stated we have played our 103 year old rival St. Rita which everyone likes to see. Then it's a 7 week continued CCL grind.

MC is doing everything they can with the resources they have available. If a team wants to come to Chicago I'm 110% sure MC will play them. If not, it's going to take some work depending on where the game is played. Midwest is easier to get a bus and go, still takes fundraising but it can be done. Flying to Florida, Texas, California and Nevada with a team of 75 and a staff of 15-20 (and that's lowballing), hotel, meals, transportation, would be tens of thousands of dollars. Anyone close to MC or close to any CCL school knows we don't have that money in a slush fund. Hot Dog and Cookie Bake sales aren't going to flip that bill. And out of 600 students 450 don't play and many don't give a damn about Football. You don't see many CCL schools leaving the Midwest for games for the exact same reason. ESL gets bankrolled. If a rich MC alum or corporation wants to flip the bill for MC to travel I'm certain they will go, until then, they aren't going into endowment funds to play IMG, I can guarantee anyone that. It would take a enormous and successful fundraiser.

 

[Cross Bones]

Midwest is too small. Either go TX, CA, or IMG.

 

[4Afan]

MC is doing that....the last three season openers they played ESL which everyone wanted to see and won....they played the Hun School out of New Jersey and lost in literally the last minute, and they went on the road and beat Moeller in Ohio. Week 2 as stated we have played our 103 year old rival St. Rita which everyone likes to see. Then it's a 7 week continued CCL grind.

MC is doing everything they can with the resources they have available. If a team wants to come to Chicago I'm 110% sure MC will play them. If not, it's going to take some work depending on where the game is played. Midwest is easier to get a bus and go, still takes fundraising but it can be done. Flying to Florida, Texas, California and Nevada with a team of 75 and a staff of 15-20 (and that's lowballing), hotel, meals, transportation, would be tens of thousands of dollars. Anyone close to MC or close to any CCL school knows we don't have that money in a slush fund. Hot Dog and Cookie Bake sales aren't going to flip that bill. And out of 600 students 450 don't play and many don't give a damn about Football. You don't see many CCL schools leaving the Midwest for games for the exact same reason. ESL gets bankrolled. If a rich MC alum or corporation wants to flip the bill for MC to travel I'm certain they will go, until then, they aren't going into endowment funds to play IMG, I can guarantee anyone that. It would take a enormous and successful fundraiser.

I have a hard time buying the claim that MC can't afford to travel. It would absolutely be very expensive but you can't tell me there isn't at least a handful of wealthy MC alum who would be willing to sponsor the trip.

This is something I am curious about in terms of teams getting funds for these big trips. Not at all implying anything wrong is happening but does ESL have the same group of donors every year? Less expensive but still a big travel bill is basketball. Kenwood is currently in Vegas and Bolingbrook is going to Hawaii.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

I have a hard time buying the claim that MC can't afford to travel. It would absolutely be very expensive but you can't tell me there isn't at least a handful of wealthy MC alum who would be willing to sponsor the trip.

This is something I am curious about in terms of teams getting funds for these big trips. Not at all implying anything wrong is happening but does ESL have the same group of donors every year? Less expensive but still a big travel bill is basketball. Kenwood is currently in Vegas and Bolingbrook is going to Hawaii.

I am interested in how public schools do it? I mean they cannot just use district funds, I would hope not. Again, like you said, not implying anything nefarious is going on.

On the private school fundraising part. These schools are going to the same well over and over again during fundraising activities. If there was some possible MC/insert national power here down in Orlando, I do think a specific fundraiser for it would do well. I think you would get a lot of smaller donations from folks that aren't the big hitters....if that makes sense. But doing that every year would be difficult IMO.

 

[crusader_of_90]

I have a hard time buying the claim that MC can't afford to travel. It would absolutely be very expensive but you can't tell me there isn't at least a handful of wealthy MC alum who would be willing to sponsor the trip.

This is something I am curious about in terms of teams getting funds for these big trips. Not at all implying anything wrong is happening but does ESL have the same group of donors every year? Less expensive but still a big travel bill is basketball. Kenwood is currently in Vegas and Bolingbrook is going to Hawaii.

Hoops is CRAZY for travel. When Althoff was on top, at least three airplane games. West, the same thing. Hell, across the river at Vashon, one of the nation's elite annually, they did not play without travel until JANUARY a few years ago. They knew that team was stacked - even had Dierre Hill as the starting PG.

Ya know the reason Dierre Hill's family moved to Belleville, and he transferred to Althoff is that Vashon was not going to let him play football.

 

[Topiarydan1]

Massey cumulative now showing MC at 21 and Brownsburg at 17 (granted I think these should be flipped but at least MC showing in top 25 which is a nice accomplishment for CCL). Rice at 70 and ESL at 72 solid for the State of Illinois.

 

[4Afan]

Massey cumulative now showing MC at 21 and Brownsburg at 17 (granted I think these should be flipped but at least MC showing in top 25 which is a nice accomplishment for CCL). Rice at 70 and ESL at 72 solid for the State of Illinois.

I'm seeing #24 but give it a week before you get too excited, Texas state championships are this week so there will be more movement.

 

[McCaravan]

I have a hard time buying the claim that MC can't afford to travel. It would absolutely be very expensive but you can't tell me there isn't at least a handful of wealthy MC alum who would be willing to sponsor the trip.

This is something I am curious about in terms of teams getting funds for these big trips. Not at all implying anything wrong is happening but does ESL have the same group of donors every year? Less expensive but still a big travel bill is basketball. Kenwood is currently in Vegas and Bolingbrook is going to Hawaii.

You can disbelieve it all you want but it's true. You are correct there are wealthy donors that contribute to the school but that's too keep the school open, not to send the football team across country. As I said if a big name weathly alum wants to write a check and specifically say it is for MC football to travel then MC will abide by his wish with where he wants his money to go, but it hasn't happened yet. Do you really think MC Athletics or Coach Lynch would dodge a chance to travel to play a top team. Hell no.

The costs of running a private school like MC are astronomical. We don't get funding from taxes or the City as the CPS and Suburban schools do. There are organizations like Big Shoulders that help out but do you know the costs of running an All Boys Catholic School in the inner city of Chicago in a building that is 130 years old? It would blew your mind. They beg and borrow from Alums, Banks, Corporations, anyone. I give a small monthly donation, as well as hundreds of other alums, to help and it doesn't go to Football I'll tell you that. Football runs small fundraisers each year for gear and expenses but it wouldn't make a dent in big travel expenses. All the Gala's and Giving Tuesdays, Walk a thons, Arts and Crafts and Bake sales are to keep the lights on...I used to think the same as you did until I started going to these alumni and school meeting and it really blew my mind the financial side of keeping a CCL school going.

These schools that travel have to have someone who banrolls them. Basketball is slightly easier because it's 12 players and 3 coaches. Football team like MC are over 100 in overall players and personnel. East St Louis is one of the poorest communities in IL and they travel at will. Someone is paying the bill and good for them.

 

[4Afan]

You can disbelieve it all you want but it's true. You are correct there are wealthy donors that contribute to the school but that's too keep the school open, not to send the football team across country. As I said if a big name weathly alum wants to write a check and specifically say it is for MC football to travel then MC will abide by his wish with where he wants his money to go, but it hasn't happened yet. Do you really think MC Athletics or Coach Lynch would dodge a chance to travel to play a top team. Hell no.

The costs of running a private school like MC are astronomical. We don't get funding from taxes or the City as the CPS and Suburban schools do. There are organizations like Big Shoulders that help out but do you know the costs of running an All Boys Catholic School in the inner city of Chicago in a building that is 130 years old? It would blew your mind. They beg and borrow from Alums, Banks, Corporations, anyone. I give a small monthly donation, as well as hundreds of other alums, to help and it doesn't go to Football I'll tell you that. Football runs small fundraisers each year for gear and expenses but it wouldn't make a dent in big travel expenses. All the Gala's and Giving Tuesdays, Walk a thons, Arts and Crafts and Bake sales are to keep the lights on...I used to think the same as you did until I started going to these alumni and school meeting and it really blew my mind the financial side of keeping a CCL school going.

These schools that travel have to have someone who banrolls them. Basketball is slightly easier because it's 12 players and 3 coaches. Football team like MC are over 100 in overall players and personnel. East St Louis is one of the poorest communities in IL and they travel at will. Someone is paying the bill and good for them.

So if they had a fundraiser specifically for travel for a football game you're telling me that the MC faithful wouldn't pony up? Would the school consider reaching out to Dovovan McNabb or Simeon Rice.

Hell it doesn't have to be next year, start saving and reach out to whichever team around the country they want to play and try to set something up for 2028 or beyond if you think it would be that difficult to raise money. The multi million dollar stadium was funded by donors and alumni so I think travel for one game can be done.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

So if they had a fundraiser specifically for travel for a football game you're telling me that the MC faithful wouldn't pony up? Would the school consider reaching out to Dovovan McNabb or Simeon Rice.

Hell it doesn't have to be next year, start saving and reach out to whichever team around the country they want to play and try to set something up for 2028 or beyond if you think it would be that difficult to raise money. The multi million dollar stadium was funded by donors and alumni so I think travel for one game can be done.

I think the distinction here is every year verse one time event. One time event, yes they could raise it but asking every year it would wane quickly IMO

 

[ClownBaby]

The best teams in Illinois would struggle to get to/past the quarters in the biggest classes in Texas.

After watching some of the high school playoffs in other states I struggle to see MC as a legitimate top 25 team nationally the depth in Texas, California and Florida alone puts them around 20th before you even start looking at teams in other locations.