How much do you think is the most we could pay Mullen a year?
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unless we're going to a BCS bowl the amount of bowl money we get will maybe increase our budget around 10-15%. That's nothing to downplay by any means, but it isn't going to keep a coach here. We simply need to keep doing what we're doing now from an enrollment, bulldog club, and ticket sales standpoint.
He makes less than 2M now.... with incentives, he would push 2.5...
On the other side of the state, I could see Saban getting a raise to 6 or 7 if he wins out and gets some help to get in the NC game...
On the other side of the state, I could see Saban getting a raise to 6 or 7 if he wins out and gets some help to get in the NC game...
I'm not gonna stroke my own c@ck and say I know more than anyone else in here, but I've asked this question to someone who has a little (actually A LOT) to do with financials at Miss State. I obviously don't post much, but I do know the answer to this question.
He/she told me that a coach's salary comes 80% from donors. I don't know nor asked why because frankly it doesn't matter why this is the case, but he/she told me that the most our BIG pool of donors could realistically pay is MAX 2.3 million a year. He/she told me that unless there's more big money that pops up in the next 3 months, this is our ceiling. He/she also said that not enough "fans" donate big money. Now me, as a poor man trying to make it, understands the value of my dollar and don't blame anyone for what they donate or don't donate. I'm just regurgitating first hand information that has been told to me.
Believe it or don't....this is from the horse's mouth.
He/she told me that a coach's salary comes 80% from donors. I don't know nor asked why because frankly it doesn't matter why this is the case, but he/she told me that the most our BIG pool of donors could realistically pay is MAX 2.3 million a year. He/she told me that unless there's more big money that pops up in the next 3 months, this is our ceiling. He/she also said that not enough "fans" donate big money. Now me, as a poor man trying to make it, understands the value of my dollar and don't blame anyone for what they donate or don't donate. I'm just regurgitating first hand information that has been told to me.
Believe it or don't....this is from the horse's mouth.
...not how much MSU is capable of paying; how much is MSU "willing" to pay? Once a precedent is set, the ripple effect could be problematic, especially for a small athletic budget.
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budget, great tradition and facilities, are you embarrassed that Bama has only won 8 of the last 14 against po little MSU? State played some horrible football during that time frame, but westill havemanaged to give you guys hell and ruin a few seasons in T-town.Before you make excuses, surely the home of the Bear would neverproduce any teams that would look past anyone? Surely?
it was close to fact we could only pay 2.3 back in 06-07.....i probably know the same person you know.......a lot of things have changed since then.....
i would say in the neighborhood of 2.7-3.0M now is where we would max out....
i would say in the neighborhood of 2.7-3.0M now is where we would max out....
only expenses are paid for the trip and the remainder is split 13 ways. I'm no genius, but doubt that is going to approach 10-15%.<div>
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2003 - 5.1 mil
2004 - 3.5 mil
2005 - 5.6 mil
2006 - 5.7 mil
2007 - 6.4 mil
2008 - 5.9 mil
We saw a 33% increase in operating expense from 2007 to 2008 (~3.2 mil). We know what that is.
I'd like to see what the 2009 numbers are, but with the lower coach's salary, increased ticket sales, etc, I'd think we're probably netting at least 6 - 7 mil in 2009.
2004 - 3.5 mil
2005 - 5.6 mil
2006 - 5.7 mil
2007 - 6.4 mil
2008 - 5.9 mil
We saw a 33% increase in operating expense from 2007 to 2008 (~3.2 mil). We know what that is.
I'd like to see what the 2009 numbers are, but with the lower coach's salary, increased ticket sales, etc, I'd think we're probably netting at least 6 - 7 mil in 2009.
Right now he makes 1.2M. This is very low in the SEC even below Kentucky. Ole Ms now pays Nutt 2.5M. I believe we bumped Crooms salary somewhere around 2.1M range after he earned a bowl win. I would think Dan would get bumped up a little more somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.5M with a lot of incentives. Below is the list for coaches salaries currently.
http://www.americasbestonline.net/index.php/pages/collegehighestpaidcoaches.html
http://www.americasbestonline.net/index.php/pages/collegehighestpaidcoaches.html
From ticket sales, donations that are a direct result of donations for the right to purchase the seats, merchandising, concessions (don't really know how that works), etc. We're bringing in well over $6mil gross as a result of football. And again, I don't look at SEC TV money as welfare. That's money we earn just as much as the other 11 programs in the conference. People can act like it's some sort of donation to the needy all they want, but it's not like the conference is running a non-profit charity.
Tusk was just being a turd and carries the same attitude of so many others. The one that assumes we are poor ol' State and should just sit there and be grateful for the scraps they throw us. It's an attitude the leadership in our very own athletic department carried for so long as well. Well 17 that. And I'm not saying lets get all "rah-rah" we're gonna go compete for the national championship every year, but finally we have leadership that isn't going throw out the same excuses every year and bow down to mighty Tuscaloosa. They're gonna raise the money, they're gonna get all of us involved, their gonna make a name for MSU, and we're gonna win some damn football games along the way.
How much you pay your coach is like recruiting rankings to me. You don't get docked wins at the end of the year if you're on the low side of either. Yeah, it's important to have competitive salaries, but you don't get a prize at the end of the year for paying your head coach $5 million dollars. Tusk and a lot of fans seem to think we're supposed to give him a trophy or something.
Tusk was just being a turd and carries the same attitude of so many others. The one that assumes we are poor ol' State and should just sit there and be grateful for the scraps they throw us. It's an attitude the leadership in our very own athletic department carried for so long as well. Well 17 that. And I'm not saying lets get all "rah-rah" we're gonna go compete for the national championship every year, but finally we have leadership that isn't going throw out the same excuses every year and bow down to mighty Tuscaloosa. They're gonna raise the money, they're gonna get all of us involved, their gonna make a name for MSU, and we're gonna win some damn football games along the way.
How much you pay your coach is like recruiting rankings to me. You don't get docked wins at the end of the year if you're on the low side of either. Yeah, it's important to have competitive salaries, but you don't get a prize at the end of the year for paying your head coach $5 million dollars. Tusk and a lot of fans seem to think we're supposed to give him a trophy or something.
My point was that, at the end of the day, we've got about $6 mil to play with on something. So, I guess technically we can financially give Dan Mullen $7 mil/year, with the assistants getting no raises, and our facilities going to ****.
How does the Bulldog Foundation play into all this anyway? Once revenue is generated from the program, I doubt it can go back into the foundation, right? So, what we can and cannot pay a coach is really limited by the foundation.
Someone with more experience in all this than I have should chime in.
How does the Bulldog Foundation play into all this anyway? Once revenue is generated from the program, I doubt it can go back into the foundation, right? So, what we can and cannot pay a coach is really limited by the foundation.
Someone with more experience in all this than I have should chime in.
I know what you were getting at. I just felt like reiterating my point that Tusk expects us to be in awe of how much money they make and how much of it they give to Saban.jmbeck said:
And I've got no clue how some of that works either. I just know we're not some bastard child welfare case.
Yeah, we'll have to bump his salary to entice him to stick around longer. Show the love and all that. But it's not like if Mullen leaves we have to go out and write an ungodly check just to get a good coach. The Mullen hire proved that, and as long as the administration sticks the same criteria it used for Mullen, then we'll get another good coach.
the majority of his salary. Private donations pay the majority of what he gets paidannually. The real determining factor here is how much our most prominent boosters feel like giving to pay for his and our assistants salaries. Thats the way it works everywhere.<div>
</div><div>So to TUSK's question, itdoesn'tmatter what the athletic budget or net profit is, it all hinges on private donations.</div>
</div><div>So to TUSK's question, itdoesn'tmatter what the athletic budget or net profit is, it all hinges on private donations.</div>
arguably our worst run of football was during the shula/dubose regimes... thank god that's behind us....
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