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How come @colbert17 liked the second post but not the first?
Urban also thought Chris Ash would be successful
Lol ! I donβt think he really thought it. He just said it !
I wonder if any of the guys who bashed Schiano have changed their mind.
Initially. Greg is in a completely different category with a track record of success in doing this once before.
Shall we look at Ash's results in year 3 and 4? Before anyone goes and compares Greg's year 3, at 4-8/1-8, it is clear the OL and DL were decimated. We are obviously showing signs of improvement SO FAR this year. WE have a way to go. But Greg has already surpassed Ash's win total in year 4 after two games.
Ash wasn't the first mistake to be hired that came with a nice recommendation
Shea set to become next Rutgers coach,sfgate.com
>Shea emerged as a candidate last week and his appointmen was pushed by Walsh, former Eagles coach Dick Vermeil, Southern Cal's John Robinson and NFL coaches Mike Holmgren of Green Bay and Rich Brooks of St. Louis, according to published reports.<
https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Shea-set-to-become-next-Rutgers-coach-3115238.php
I donβt think anyone is comparing ash to schiano. Even the biggest schiano haters wouldnβt and couldnβt do that.
We are all forever grateful for what schiano did here . I am not sure about the second time around. The schedule is way tougher and we have not proven we belong in this league. I would be very surprised if he could ever get to double digit regular season wins . But I think he can get us to a respectable level .
Ash and shea hold a special place in our hearts . Ash got us Smashed.
Not yet- I haven't really ever bashed 2.0 but I have been a bit cautious. Felt he was the right hire at the time to clean up the Ashes but never sure if he can get out of his way to make the next steps.
Even in the Temple game- it almost felt like Greg got his hands on the offensive side of the ball again during the 2nd/3rd Qtr but finally, KC put the hammer down on him and went back to calling the game the way he wanted to.
But if we continue to progress on offense and as a team- get to a bowl this year- I will feel much better about him
It's funny that you wrote that. I was thinking that while being disgusted at the beginning of the 4th quarter. Oddly enough, I actually thought back to your posts about the 2008 team's turnaround offensively late in year. Yeah, I know, I read this board too much.
Well said . I think you were ok with schiano short term, but not long term . What do you think of the progress and when would long term be ?
he had 2 years to clean the program and I think he did that wonderfully. But, I really haven't seen the progress on the field or recruiting until this year. This was my final year to see him turn the corner.
Season just started but seems that recruiting is doing as well as can be expected with NIL- he has worked the portal well and maybe, just mybe, his career choice of only taking 1 QB over 2 recruiting cycles, may luck out for him
not yet. Gotta see how we do against better teams.
Certainly a nice start to the season
Ash will get us smashed!!! and he did just that. Greg is doing great things with the program. Patience is a virtue.
Also the year I feel the team needs to show it can compete with every program.
Michigan, OSU and PSU might not be close games, but every other game Rutgers has to show it can win it, even if in the end comes up short.
I'm not demanding winning season, just a highly competitive one.
If that happens I'll stay on the G2 bandwagon,
if not I won't be defending Schiano anymore.
We're you on the sideline to hear the discussions? Or are you just making **** up? " it almost felt like " " Kc put the hammer down" WTF?
In the real world, the guys ON THE FIELD felt things slipping backwards and said NO EFFIN' WAY and put their foot down and smashed the opponents. You take out the perfectly placed passes by EJ (which I tipped my hat to and gave props) RU would have mashed Temple from go. The Temple QB is really good and accurate. Was great to watch except he was against us.
Before we hired him, I didnβt want him. Once we hired him, I shifted to βsupport the coachβ mode, same as I do with any coach once theyβre hired.
I never bashed him. I simply pointed out his lifetime results as a head coach. Which were average. Some call that bashing, but the numbers are what they are. Heβs an unarguably good program builder, though.
I think GS has learned and grown. Heβs probably better than when he was last here. But is he good enough to get the job done?
That remains to be seen. Gonna have to let the season play out. I hope so because he seems like a good person and because itβs the quickest path to success for RUFB.
Not sure how anyone can't love that piece with Urban - hugely complimentary of Greg and the guy certainly knows a thing or two about coaching.
I thought Greg was the right guy for the job in 2020 and I still do. I would've liked to been better the last 3 years, but I knew there was a lot to rebuild and it can't all be done at once, especially when we're playing a very tough schedule. I think we have a very good defense (love how Urban sees how Greg has them swarming), pretty good special teams (especially kickers), and an offense that has improved from putrid last year to maybe average this year, although we haven't played top teams yet to be sure.
I predicted 5 wins, but thought 6 was attainable if we win go 4-1 (very possible) and win 2 of the 5 swing games (assuming we lose to the big 3). Off to a good start for that obviously. But it's impossible to predict the rest of the season, but I know we're better and improving, but I'm also not sure that gets us to 6 wins (3 buts in one sentence, lol). I feel like this is siimilar to 2004 Schiano 1.0's 4th year, where we knew we were better, but it didn't pan out that way in the end, partly due to the tragic accident and partly due to the team not finishing despite that. After 9 years of mostly futility, I really, really want 6 wins and a bowl so badly.
I thought Greg was the right guy for the job in 2020 and I still do. I would've liked to been better the last 3 years, but I knew there was a lot to rebuild and it can't all be done at once, especially when we're playing a very tough schedule. I think we have a very good defense (love how Urban sees how Greg has them swarming), pretty good special teams (especially kickers), and an offense that has improved from putrid last year to maybe average this year, although we haven't played top teams yet to be sure.
I predicted 5 wins, but thought 6 was attainable if we win go 4-1 (very possible) and win 2 of the 5 swing games (assuming we lose to the big 3). Off to a good start for that obviously. But it's impossible to predict the rest of the season, but I know we're better and improving, but I'm also not sure that gets us to 6 wins (3 buts in one sentence, lol). I feel like this is siimilar to 2004 Schiano 1.0's 4th year, where we knew we were better, but it didn't pan out that way in the end, partly due to the tragic accident and partly due to the team not finishing despite that. After 9 years of mostly futility, I really, really want 6 wins and a bowl so badly.
I am not even sure what you are referring to me knowing?
If you are referring to this: Reread it again along with the bolded
Even in the Temple game- it almost felt like Greg got his hands on the offensive side of the ball again during the 2nd/3rd Qtr but finally, KC put the hammer down on him and went back to calling the game the way he wanted to.
Since this is KC's second rodeo with Greg, I wonder what kinds of conversations took place about the play calling and management of the offense before he was hired. KC's first tenure was ruined by Schiano's meddling and co-coordinator experiments.
The co-coordinator had no effect. Flood did not take any of the coordinator duties. It was a title and raise to reward him only.
And while GS 1.0 certainly meddled- the real problem was not having the right talent on the team to run KC's offense. You can't have a kid nicknames "The sack maker" as your QB and a OL built for a traditional offense.
There's always, with every team, fan talk of how involved a head coach is in the coordinating of the offense or defense. It's always based almost entirely on rumor and innuendo. Over time, that fan talk has a way of becoming accepted fact. When, in fact, it's not.
Even when coaches sometimes say stuff about the subject, which is relatively rare, it has to be taken as coach-speak and not as any kind of objective declaration of absolute truth. When a coach says "I'm an offense guy by training, so I leave the D alone", that is a partial truth. No good HC leaves anything alone because the coaching staff needs to be fully aligned to function at it's best.
The HC of every team everywhere is never going to give up their right to override stuff from the OC and DC. And the coaching staff is, in most cases, not going to talk to the public about how much that's happening or not happening.
We can all surmise what happened in the past and what's happening now. But it's probably good to remember it's pure conjecture. Reality could be very different from what we guess.
Even when coaches sometimes say stuff about the subject, which is relatively rare, it has to be taken as coach-speak and not as any kind of objective declaration of absolute truth. When a coach says "I'm an offense guy by training, so I leave the D alone", that is a partial truth. No good HC leaves anything alone because the coaching staff needs to be fully aligned to function at it's best.
The HC of every team everywhere is never going to give up their right to override stuff from the OC and DC. And the coaching staff is, in most cases, not going to talk to the public about how much that's happening or not happening.
We can all surmise what happened in the past and what's happening now. But it's probably good to remember it's pure conjecture. Reality could be very different from what we guess.
And Shea got us laid, because people stayed home?
Shea was another example of the Peter Principal. The one thing nobody complained about during his tenure was the QB play and quality. The rest is another story.