How Ryan Perrilloux disappeared completely

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http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2014/2/6/5383326/ryan-perrilloux-profile-lsu-football-signing-day

Is that a State hat on the table? We are never mentioned in the story. I remember thinking we actually had a chance. I always heard Crxxms was going to land him until a bag of cash showed up on his doorstep the day before NSD. Of course, that's how we lose all of our recruits.**

 

Xenomorph

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Don't want to read the article? Here's all you need to know...

Cause when I got here I never had an opportunity. I was on the scout team for two years. They didn't treat me like I was the No. 1 recruit in the country. They treated me like a guy they signed to see if he could play or not.

It's always somebody else's fault. Yo Ryan... you know when you were running the scout team? That WAS your opportunity, dipshit. It was your OPPORTUNITY to show you're capable and mature enough to take snaps with the first team.
 

patdog

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Yep. Noticed there were a lot of "at the wrong place at the wrong time's" in that article too.
 

dawgman42

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I like the creepy coach at the beginning. I thought they usually offer candy, first.
 

121Josey

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I sure hope that recruiters keep a file for stories like these. Whether he's to blame or not, Les Miles is the antagonist in the story. The kid saved their NC and then he was kicked to the curb. Smaller schools need press like this to even the recruiting field.

But not just negative articles, positive ones like Bama OLine basically admitting that they were whipped by state. And even in a loss, the merits of the defense can be seen.
 

karlchilders.sixpack

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Your QB must be a leader

Sounds like he was the Entitled One...

Besides getting into trouble, etc.,, the idea that they put in a 20 play package just for him would lead to question, could he not really

run the regular offense?

Don't sound like he really had the needed leadership thing down.
 

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I was working at Richey's when he came on his official visit. He and Crooms came in together, just them. He walked in and walked straight up to my friend who was a waiter. He stuck out his hand, and said, "Hi, I'm Ryan Perrilloux," like he was the president. My friend knew who he was though and gave him a nice welcome.
 
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opieT

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Lived across from Pegues in the dorm freshmen year. Pegues told me "I mean that mother*#%$@# told me the night before that he was signing with MSU" Before Ryan got to play at the end of that season Pegues said that Ryan wanted to transfer to Starkville.
 

Sutterkane

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Les Miles is the antagonist? Why? Because RP decided to act like a spoiled kid since Miles chose to play a guy higher on the depth chart in the national title game?
 

121Josey

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Les Miles is the antagonist? Why? Because RP decided to act like a spoiled kid since Miles chose to play a guy higher on the depth chart in the national title game?

The kid felt that Miles misled him at every turn.

So, both QBs couldn't play in the game? No need to play both TR and Dak, huh? Flynn and RP were from the same mold? And you don't think that RP earned more than two snaps after being MVP of the SECCG? If you give RP say 10 snaps, you still win the game, you don't go through this headache - or at least kick the can down the road until next offseason - and you're back in the SECCG.


During the month of practice leading up to the BCS Championship, Perrilloux said Miles and Gary Crowton, who was in his first season as LSU's offensive coordinator, installed a 15-20 play spread package for Perrilloux, and Crowton told the press he expected Perrilloux to take about 10 snaps, perhaps even as many as 15. In the opening of FOX's BCS National Championship pregame show, as a split screen showed both Flynn and Perrilloux warming up, host Chris Rose referred to LSU as a "two-headed quarterback."
On Jan. 7, 2008 at the Superdome in New Orleans — a half hour southeast of the little yellow house on Bluebird Street — LSU beat Ohio State 38-24 in the BCS Championship game. The Tigers were national champions.

<q>"He cried that night. I had never seen him cry like that before."</q>
Perrilloux, the SEC Championship Game MVP a month earlier, played two snaps. Early in the second quarter, he pitched left to Keiland Williams on an option. And in the third quarter, he kept the ball and ran for 4 yards on another option. That was it. Two plays. "The promises that he would play," Perrilloux's mom said. "He played for like a second, and he cried that night. I had never seen him cry like that before."
This is where we learn Perrilloux, as a young teenager, can have a bullet run its way through his body, and he doesn't cry. But now as a young adult, he plays for "only a second" in a football game.
And he cries.
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Perrilloux was disappearing, and fast. He now believes Miles misled him to convince him to choose LSU over Texas.

"Basically, what they're telling me is the quarterback situation is slim. JaMarcus struggled and you'll have a great opportunity to come in here and play." Perrilloux said. "I got in there, and it wasn't that. ‘Cause when I got here I never had an opportunity. I was on the scout team for two years. They didn't treat me like I was the No. 1 recruit in the country. They treated me like a guy they signed to see if he could play or not."
 

mcdawg22

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So I guess the coach at Minnesota and New York misled him? Must be a Les Miles NFL conspiracy. Matt Flynn is a back up in the NFL behind Aaron Rodgers and Perrilloux is playing for the New Orleans Voodoo. They win the BCS by 14 so obviously the right QB played. The fact that you think he deserves to play because he is the #1 recruit in the country is asinine. You play the guy that gives you the best opportunity to win, loyalty is great and all, but loyalty doesn't keep you employed, especially in Red Stick.
 

DerHntr

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No player should ever consider signing with a team as a guaranteed starting position. He should have blown away his competition if he wanted to start. The hungrier guys with similar level of talent likely will win the position.

With the amount of money on the line for coaches these says, no player's position should be considered taken long-term.
 

121Josey

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I'm not really following your logic

So I guess the coach at Minnesota and New York misled him? Must be a Les Miles NFL conspiracy. Matt Flynn is a back up in the NFL behind Aaron Rodgers and Perrilloux is playing for the New Orleans Voodoo. They win the BCS by 14 so obviously the right QB played. The fact that you think he deserves to play because he is the #1 recruit in the country is asinine. You play the guy that gives you the best opportunity to win, loyalty is great and all, but loyalty doesn't keep you employed, especially in Red Stick.

What does Minnesota and New York have to do with misleading? Where is Tim Tebow? Troy Smith? Matt Leinart? Jason White? Eric Crouch? Chris Weinke? But they didn't play for Les Miles. Must be a Heisman conspiracy.** Clearly you haven't kept up with Matt Flynn's career recently. He's not the NFL QB posterboy.

So, the end justifies the means? You don't know that RP wouldn't have beaten them by more. They won the game. But my proposal was that he wouldn't have lost the game for them by quarterbacking one drive. Do you not think putting in a whole offense package for the kid and then not using it might be just a little bit misleading? It cost Les Miles an NFL caliber QB for the next two seasons and probably two BCS bowls.

I could care less who started the game or played the most. Flynn was the starter for the season, so he deserved to start. But he lost two games during the regular season (Kentucky and unranked Arkansas). It's not clear that he gave them the best chance to win.

I never said he deserves to play because he is the #1 recruit. I'm saying that he deserved to play because he had talent - and showed it by stepping in with little preparation - and a better quarterback than Flynn.

Loyalty in Redstick, huh? How many kids have Miles kept on the team for far worse things than anything RP did? Miles felt like he didn't need RP to win. He was in it for the W's and not for helping RP mature.
"I just got involved with a thug who had been on drugs, and I can't take another guy like that," Crowe told Miles. "Les said to me, ‘Well he's not a thug and he's not involved with drugs. He got caught up in some immature situations.'" Mack Brown also gave Perrilloux a good recommendation and a background check by the state police came back clean. Less than two weeks after he was dismissed from LSU, Crowe decided to give Perrilloux one more chance for people to see what he could do. He was the starting quarterback from Day One.

As a senior, Perrilloux was named the 2009 Ohio Valley Conference Offensive Player of the Year and was a finalist for the Walter Payton Award — the FCS equivalent of the Heisman Trophy. He ranked first nationally in passing efficiency and set single-season school records in touchdowns and total offense. He would eventually earn his bachelor's degree in Sociology from Jacksonville State.
 

mcdawg22

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He was rumored to want a transfer his freshman year. He was a person of interest in a federal case, was suspended for using a fake id to get in a casino, then a fight, then missing class, then violating team rules, and then failing a drug test. Not to mention he got suspended at Jacksonville State. So discarding the federal case which never went anywhere he had 4 issues in one year. Name another player that Miles has retained that had 4 problems in one year.
 

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He was rumored to want a transfer his freshman year. He was a person of interest in a federal case, was suspended for using a fake id to get in a casino, then a fight, then missing class, then violating team rules, and then failing a drug test. Not to mention he got suspended at Jacksonville State. So discarding the federal case which never went anywhere he had 4 issues in one year. Name another player that Miles has retained that had 4 problems in one year.
I can't think of 4 problems in one year, but I can think of a guy who should be sitting in jail for 5 years right now that played for LSU last season. That was a bigger deal than anything Ryan did. We talk about our players having swagger and having a mean streak (Nickoe shoving fray guy at the end of the Egg Bowl), but when a kid has just that sometimes we call him a thug. Not fair. Had this guy gone anywhere else he would have at least had the same chance Matt Flynn had at the NFL. I don't think that's a stretch, especially considering the fact that every NFL team that brought him in said he was up to their standards.

This to me is how MSU, Ole Miss, UK, Mizzou, and Vandy get kids. If you make mistakes that 18-22 year old kids make you have a lot better of a chance to correct them and keep your job. At Alabama, Georgia, and LSU you'll be processed.
 

mcdawg22

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I never said Perrilloux was a thug. I said he wanted to transfer as a freshman, got in trouble several times, and obviously caused a distraction. Do you think Miles got rid of him because he didn't feel he was talented enough to compete? Because that is what processing is. I know Les is nuts, but there is no way he let Perrilloux go because he felt like he was a waste of a scholarship. He was the only returning QB with significant snaps coming back that year. He obviously did something that warranted being let go. Again LSU won a BCS championship so whatever decisions Miles made that year were the right decisions. As far as what happened after that we'll never know because I guarantee Les won't address it.
 

121Josey

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He was rumored to want a transfer his freshman year. He was a person of interest in a federal case, was suspended for using a fake id to get in a casino, then a fight, then missing class, then violating team rules, and then failing a drug test. Not to mention he got suspended at Jacksonville State. So discarding the federal case which never went anywhere he had 4 issues in one year. Name another player that Miles has retained that had 4 problems in one year.

Here's what we've got on RP.

So he's guilty of wanting to transfer. He's guilty of being associated with a counterfeit scheme... He used a fake ID... He got into a fight... Cut class... Failed a drug test... Got it.

Never been arrested. Never been put in jail. Never been charged with anything. ... People say I've been in a lot of legal and off-the-field trouble, but mainly I've been associated with legal and off-the-field trouble.

He got into a fight without ever throwing a punch.
The fight at The Varsity (night club) ... I went to support a teammate who was performing that night. He's a rapper. Twenty or 25 of the football players were in there. ... I had never been in that place, it was my first time ever going. One of my teammates saw someone he had gotten into it with a while back; they looked like they were going to get into it and the bouncers of the club came and broke it up. In the midst of them breaking it up, they shoved my girlfriend a little bit. I got a little upset. I didn't do nothing in the club. I didn't throw any punches, I didn't curse anyone. ... They were going to, I guess, trying to jump me. Right as they were coming at me, a policeman was passing. I ended up going by the policeman.

He cut class.
I missed the very first team meeting after the national championship, I woke up late. Came from class, went to sleep. I stayed about 15 minutes from campus and traffic was bad at that time of day. ... The next day, nothing happened. ... I never heard anything of it until I was late for a workout...So, I was late to a workout which counted as a miss. That was two points. I missed a team meeting that was two points. I missed a couple of classes that got me up to nine or 10 points, and once you exceed five points you go on contract.

He failed a drug test with prescription drugs.
At LSU, I failed a drug test very early in my career. That was not the reason for my dismissal. We had a policy where you could fail so many. It wasn't anything at all. I had my wisdom teeth pulled and when it healed I had one or two extra pills left. We were going through Four Quarters (a conditioning program) and I have a real bad back. I took a pill for my back that was real sore and the next day I had a drug test. That's how I failed my drug test at LSU.

He got let go because of public pressure.
Coach Miles ... had a stack of papers. One about this high (holding his hand about five inches off the table) and one about this high (only about two inches). He said, "This is your negative press. This is your positive press." The reason I was in the position I was in, I had racked up so much history. I had backed Coach Miles into a corner .¤.¤. where he had to make that decision. That's why I'm where I am right now.
 

121Josey

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So discarding the federal case which never went anywhere he had 4 issues in one year. Name another player that Miles has retained that had 4 problems in one year.

Does failing 10 drug tests count as 1 problem or 4? Don't act like there are plenty of things that are swept under the rug at Red Stick.

Moreover, if this was the only recent issue, there would be no need for this article. However, there are several red flags that are alarming.

For example, Tyrann Mathieu self reported to NFL teams that he had failed more than 10 drug tests. When Miles was questioned about the amount of failed drug test he responded, ““I don’t really have the numbers there. I would be remiss to comment on number.”
So if we take Les Miles at his word, he had a Heisman finalist on his team who had several failed drug tests, but he doesn't have much information on it.
Another red flag was Jordan Jefferson. The former LSU was charged with second-degree battery and was suspended for 4 games and soon after his return was elevated back to starter. However, Jefferson and LSU were shutout in the BCS National Championship Game.
From the outside it appeared that Miles went all-in with Jefferson and Mathieu during the 2011 season. Yes they won 13 games but in 2012, Jefferson was arrested along with Mathieu for possession of marijuana."
 

mcdawg22

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All of those quotes were his side of the story. Prisons are filled with people that have their side of the story. I'm a logic guy. Ryan Perrilloux is a 27 year old with multiple run ins with the law. Les Miles is a 60 year old man that has never been accused of anything illegal. Who's integrity am I going to question? Honest question and this is not a flame I'm being completely sincere, What do you think Miles' motivation was for letting Ryan go?
 

121Josey

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All of those quotes were his side of the story. Prisons are filled with people that have their side of the story. I'm a logic guy. Ryan Perrilloux is a 27 year old with multiple run ins with the law. Les Miles is a 60 year old man that has never been accused of anything illegal. Who's integrity am I going to question? Honest question and this is not a flame I'm being completely sincere, What do you think Miles' motivation was for letting Ryan go?

Hahahahaha! Everybody has their side of the story. But it is verifiable that he's never been charged or been in jail. Les Miles is a 60 year old man making millions of dollars and you believe everything he says? Right. Until Les writes his book, we have to take the side that we know.

I seriously think Miles thought that he could win without him. RP says that Les checked in on him from time to time (in Jacksonville), so it's not that he hated the kid. Even RP said their relationship got better every year he was at LSU. But you don't kick a kid of that caliber off the team without a serious legal entanglement or shame to the team. RP fathered a premature child during that off-season, so maybe Les thought that his family life would be an additional distraction. Who knows what it could be, but I don't believe that RP was one of those kids always out looking for kicks or trouble. He was just an immature kid who needed a father figure in his life.
 

mcdawg22

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Fair enough. And rereading your original post, you are right, Miles is the antagonist of this STORY. Much the same way Ray was in the Katz story. We will just have to agree to disagree.
 

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Didn't read every word above, but I'm in BR and obviously around a lot of lsu people. Perrilloux got a ton of chances after getting in trouble multiple times. Definitely not saying Miles didn't promise him stuff he wouldn't get, but to say that they didn't try very hard to keep him on the team is not true. People down here feel that losing Perrillloux set their QB position back several years (Jefferson and Lee years) bc they knew Perrilloux would be the qb. I know Jefferson and Lee were multiple stars, but Perrilloux was absolutely set up to be the star (maybe not as a true freshman, but by the time he his college time was done)
 

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The moral of this story is we should thank RP for going to LSU. Couldn't imagine having an additional year or two of Croom.
 

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The thing is

Does failing 10 drug tests count as 1 problem or 4? Don't act like there are plenty of things that are swept under the rug at Red Stick."

all of those players that have gotten into trouble and continued on at LSU have shown the apparent capability to put in the work to maintain a spot on the team. While they were obviously of questionable character, they were also willing to do what it took to succeed on the field.

RP, however, seemed to want everything given to him, as apparent by his actions & Miles' actions. Miles has shown that regardless of what you do off the field, if you are able to work on and do what it takes in practice, then you aren't really every in danger of losing a spot on the team.