Man I guess I'm getting really old . Grew up in there 80s and don't recall doctors offices and clinics closing because of an inch or 2 of snow .. you kinda went about your business . Now its " oh to hell with it I'm not going to work " I had 4 of my 6 employees call off . The one that drives the farthest came in . 35 miles . All females scared to. death of driving with snow on the road .
How soft and scared has our society became ?
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Noproblem , glad you stopped by to provide encouragement . My spirits are lifted that people like you care .
The thing is most modern cars are front-wheel drive so they go pretty well.
^Bucket has become the resident smug elitist liberal. Every time a conservative posts anything, he is the first to make fun of them for sharing their thoughts.
The reality is that it’s probably an excuse to keep people quarantined and make some progress with this virus. Businesses aren’t doing spectacularly, anyway, so heck-why risk getting sued? Just a couple of hare-brained ideas.
And Bucket, as I explained in another post, I am not a conservative. I just hate the partisanship and refuse to pick a side.
The reality is that it’s probably an excuse to keep people quarantined and make some progress with this virus. Businesses aren’t doing spectacularly, anyway, so heck-why risk getting sued? Just a couple of hare-brained ideas.
And Bucket, as I explained in another post, I am not a conservative. I just hate the partisanship and refuse to pick a side.
My post isn't political , I just hate that we let an inch of snow close down society . Medical , dental , etc .. They are mostly closed in my area and its silly . We got maybe an inch of snow. Drive slow and go about your business is how it should work , but it doesn't .
^Bucket has become the resident smug elitist liberal. Every time a conservative posts anything, he is the first to make fun of them for sharing their thoughts.
The reality is that it’s probably an excuse to keep people quarantined and make some progress with this virus. Businesses aren’t doing spectacularly, anyway, so heck-why risk getting sued? Just a couple of hare-brained ideas.
And Bucket, as I explained in another post, I am not a conservative. I just hate the partisanship and refuse to pick a side.
What did politics have to do with Manitou's post? I didn't inject politics in it. Your weird *** did.
Depending on where you live they’re calling for 1/2 inch of ice and 6+ inches of snow this afternoon on top of the snow from this morning and the ice that’s still hanging around from last week.
No one thinks your tough because you value work over safety.
No one thinks your tough because you value work over safety.
Not a conservative, or at least way to the left of most posters on the posters on here (which is not hard to do actually)
But I am a business owner, and OP is right, first hint of bad weather and my email and text starts lighting up "the roads are bad", "my neighborhood streets are icy", etc., etc. Work ethic is not what it used to be, or I am getting older with less patience. The young people keep telling me they want that "Work Life balance", meanwhile I am in my 60s and it is a rare weekend when I take both Saturday and Sunday off (worked a couple or three hours on both this weekend)
But I am a business owner, and OP is right, first hint of bad weather and my email and text starts lighting up "the roads are bad", "my neighborhood streets are icy", etc., etc. Work ethic is not what it used to be, or I am getting older with less patience. The young people keep telling me they want that "Work Life balance", meanwhile I am in my 60s and it is a rare weekend when I take both Saturday and Sunday off (worked a couple or three hours on both this weekend)
Agree, that is why we let our people go home early when the ice storm was threatened. But the world doesn't quit turning because it is winter
When did we stop teaching basic grammar in school?
Most people, even old people, don’t want to live just to work. Sounds like you have personal problems that need to be resolved if that’s what you are doing.
I never had a typing class . My screen is cracked , and Sometimes I double key the space bar causing a period .sometimes I type without my glasses on , and quite frankly you gigantic prick , I don’t care about my punctuation and perfection on a damn message board . So piss off .
I signed up for emergency phone calls for weather so if a tornado comes in the middle of the night they call me to let me know. Saturday at 2:00 a.m., I got a call that let me know it was going to snow Sunday night. Encouraging me to stay off the roads. This is another form of control in our lives. I have two four-wheel drive trucks and have driven more than 20,000 miles on snow in my life. So far so good. I do admit the other idiots are a concern. I never signed up to get warnings about snow in the middle of the night.
It’s not about being scared. There is liability in having employees come in during a winter storm warning. Also there is opportunity cost with amount of customers that will come to business in the middle of a winter storm. Sometimes it’s not profitable to be open.
I mean, it’s the same theme. Guy talks about how things have changed and you jump down his throat.
Things have changed. Some changes have been good, but a lot of them have not been, obviously. I’m just pointing out a pattern.
-unless one is a first responder/trauma surgeon/essential medical type...there is no good reason to risk bad roads* to come to work. Safety first extends beyond the jobsite/workplace.
*note: i have guys that will call in if cloudy in the winter...obviously not talking about that.
-im at work right now...but will head home this afternoon to avoid the ice. Laptop/phone atkot.
*note: i have guys that will call in if cloudy in the winter...obviously not talking about that.
-im at work right now...but will head home this afternoon to avoid the ice. Laptop/phone atkot.
On snow, not so much on ice.
It’s certainly a tricky situation to deal with. I do understand some businesses closing and some people calling in. For example my mom works for a chiropractor and he shut down because patients tend to call in on days like today. He’d probably lose money by being open. I have to drive 20+ miles to work and would have to have my daughter out in it so I opted to use a day. I plan on going in tomorrow assuming they clear the main roads.
On the other hand you have people that do take advantage of the situation. People that live 2 minutes from work calling in just because they feel like they can due to the weather. My wife works at a facility that houses children so someone has to be there. They’ll send someone to get you if needed.
Many jobs will gladly axe you if it saved them a dollar on the bottom line. I’m not risking my health and safety for them.
There may be exceptions with a few track vehicles but not too many things go on ice.
You can get in a bad accident in a two-minute drive if the roads are covered in ice. Distance doesn’t eliminate the danger. I live like five minutes from work and my road and the road it connects to were completely covered in ice Saturday morning. My business isn’t open in the weekends but there’s no way I would have driven on those roads.
I get that. Ice is a different beast. But I’m saying there are people that do that in snow too. I worked at a retail store years ago that did a lot of business during snow weather. We had an employee that lived right across the street (a literal 2 minute walk) and they’d call in.
I’m a business owner and employ a lot of young people, and while it’s certainly true some just don’t care, I’ve been able to find a great team that is incredibly hardworking and dependable even if young. So like everything else they are definitely still out there. I can’t speak to whether that percentage is lower than it used to be, but painting society as a whole as lazier or soft or whatever is a bit silly (though I’m sure you know that).
I don't really see this as a partisan or political issue. I've called off myself today. I used to be a middle management boss, dealing with payroll and callouts was part of my gig. Anyway, when I started I had your attitude about it OP, same attitude my dad instilled in me about it.
But people live in different areas, and may or may not have snow plows or salt trucks, especially those of y'all who live outside the city. I had one person who lived in Lex working for me and everyone else lived in small towns or rural areas. So when it snowed, I usually had most of them call off.
Safety is more important than getting the job done. And I certainly don't speak for all employers, but many don't exactly have loyalty like they used to in the good old days to their employees. Theyre treated like disposable commodities. You can look the stats up to see why my generation doesn't stay with one employer for a significant length of time. Stuff like this is why.
I get it, but it's not really part of the "participation trophy" mentality. It's just common sense, when the roads are going to be slick and dangerous, it's not worth risking going in to work. It just isn't.
And while I agree with you on that about the current 1-2" we have on the ground, I'd bet your employees, like me, have called off because we see what's coming. Getting to work isn't a problem right now here in the city. It's getting home. Now some employers may cut their folks loose when it starts coming down, and I don't have an argument if thats what you or others are doing today. Where I work, showing up today means you inevitably end up working a lot of overtime to cover for the other callouts and are stuck leaving trying to get home when the roads have gotten even worse than they're already projected to be.
TL;DR: Don't shame people for exercising caution and prudence. No matter how important a job might be, people staying safe and taking care of their families is always more important.
But people live in different areas, and may or may not have snow plows or salt trucks, especially those of y'all who live outside the city. I had one person who lived in Lex working for me and everyone else lived in small towns or rural areas. So when it snowed, I usually had most of them call off.
Safety is more important than getting the job done. And I certainly don't speak for all employers, but many don't exactly have loyalty like they used to in the good old days to their employees. Theyre treated like disposable commodities. You can look the stats up to see why my generation doesn't stay with one employer for a significant length of time. Stuff like this is why.
I get it, but it's not really part of the "participation trophy" mentality. It's just common sense, when the roads are going to be slick and dangerous, it's not worth risking going in to work. It just isn't.
And while I agree with you on that about the current 1-2" we have on the ground, I'd bet your employees, like me, have called off because we see what's coming. Getting to work isn't a problem right now here in the city. It's getting home. Now some employers may cut their folks loose when it starts coming down, and I don't have an argument if thats what you or others are doing today. Where I work, showing up today means you inevitably end up working a lot of overtime to cover for the other callouts and are stuck leaving trying to get home when the roads have gotten even worse than they're already projected to be.
TL;DR: Don't shame people for exercising caution and prudence. No matter how important a job might be, people staying safe and taking care of their families is always more important.
Bucket has his head up his a...er...I mean his b... oh hell. what's the difference.^Bucket has become the resident smug elitist liberal. Every time a conservative posts anything, he is the first to make fun of them for sharing their thoughts.
The reality is that it’s probably an excuse to keep people quarantined and make some progress with this virus. Businesses aren’t doing spectacularly, anyway, so heck-why risk getting sued? Just a couple of hare-brained ideas.
And Bucket, as I explained in another post, I am not a conservative. I just hate the partisanship and refuse to pick a side.
Did you understand the point? When did you start being a prick? Always?
He simply hasn't anything intelligent to add to your post or the point of it.
-will disagree on one point: a *good* employee will be looked after/taken care of...they are hard to find. That treatment is earned with loyalty/reliability. Commerce/work is a *team sport*.
I think this is generally true in smaller businesses. Bigger corps are ruthless.
I don't disagree with you, it just depends on the employer and line of work too. I've seen good employees be railroaded, but it's because of a bad culture at the higher corporate level.
I totally agree with you on that's how it should be, and for those who are satisfied with where they work, it IS how the culture is. All of this stuff is on a case by case basis based on job of course.
Every time you get on the road, there is a risk of an accident. The question is, during inclement weather, such as snow, sleet or freezing rain, does the risk increase? If the answer is yes, then the next question is does the work or job necessitate taking the increased risk? If the answer is no, then shame on anyone or any employer who shames an employee for no other reason than “in my day we drove during a blizzard.”
-don't disagree, ganner.
^that's the shame of the last year. second only to the mental health of children... is the effect of lockdown policy/various measures on small business. The big boys (amazon, walmart, kroger, pharma, lowes etc)are making money hand over fist...and small/medium businesses are being crucified. The effect of those two things wont be fully known for years...but its *all* bad.
^that's the shame of the last year. second only to the mental health of children... is the effect of lockdown policy/various measures on small business. The big boys (amazon, walmart, kroger, pharma, lowes etc)are making money hand over fist...and small/medium businesses are being crucified. The effect of those two things wont be fully known for years...but its *all* bad.
I don't understand why people don't want to risk life and limb for their jobs anymore. I mean these jobs used to do things like offer full health benefits and pensions and now they just pay you $15/hour and your on your own for everything else. Why the hell don't these people get off their *** and get into work?
if you're talking specifically today, it is a holiday. My allergist's office - which I visit for shots every two weeks or so - is closed & sent me a text last week.
I just checked in , my biz is swamped due to inadequate number of staff showing up . I'm headed in , its what owners do if they care about their business , but I'm not scheduled .