How will B1G teams do in the tournament?

GatoLouco

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This might be a controversial take, but I think Richmond did better against Iowa than we did.
 

PurpleWhiteBoy

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Richmond was 6th best team in the Atlantic 10 (10-8 in the league), but got a player back late in the season, then won the conference tournament.

My guess is they guard the 3 better than we do.
 

GatoLouco

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There is some talk behind the pay wall that IA had tired legs from playing 4 days in a row in the B1G tournament.

But hear me out, seriously, other conferences have tournaments too. Richmond played the same 4 games on the same exact days 🤯
 

GatoLouco

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As IN will need a miracle to come back against SM, here’s a couple of data points that maybe should have signaled that, like last year, the B1G is overrated:

B1G/ACC challenge: impressive 8-6 against what several have called the worst ACC in its history

Gavitt games: 2-6 against the Big East. And bonus, we did not even play.

I think OKlahoma and Texas A&M are better teams than several of the B1G teams that made it. Unluckily for them, they were not in the overrated paradise of the B1G.
 

peatymeanis

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There is some talk behind the pay wall that IA had tired legs from playing 4 days in a row in the B1G tournament.

But hear me out, seriously, other conferences have tournaments too. Richmond played the same 4 games on the same exact days 🤯
Id bet those are the same guys who go out of their way to justify hanging on to Collins. If B10 is super strong, Collins isn’t actually that bad, see?
 

GatoLouco

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Id bet those are the same guys who go out of their way to justify hanging on to Collins. If B10 is super strong, Collins isn’t actually that bad, see?
I’ve often wondered, mostly last year, how many times the word “gauntlet” was thrown around on this board.
 

PurpleWhiteBoy

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As IN will need a miracle to come back against SM, here’s a couple of data points that maybe should have signaled that, like last year, the B1G is overrated:

B1G/ACC challenge: impressive 8-6 against what several have called the worst ACC in its history

Gavitt games: 2-6 against the Big East. And bonus, we did not even play.

I think OKlahoma and Texas A&M are better teams than several of the B1G teams that made it. Unluckily for them, they were not in the overrated paradise of the B1G.
I don't think the NCAA selection people realize this, but some of the computer ratings are vulnerable to the following effect...

Teams play maybe 3-4 meaningful out of conference games plus a bunch of cupcakes that you might blow out or struggle against... once thats done, the relative conference rankings are set in stone. And it isn't based on much - just some early games that teams may not take seriously. Games against cupcakes count just as much as games against good teams.

So lets say, based on these pre-season games, Conference A is rated 3 points better than Conference B. If you are in Conference B and beat your conference by an average of 2 points and a Conference A team breaks even (score-wise) in their conference, the computers will say that the .500 team from Conference A is the better team.

In my opinion conference record matters a lot more than preseason games, but thats clearly not how the NCAA sees it. I don't think a team with a losing record in their conference should be allowed in the NCAA tournament whatsoever, unless they win the conference tournament.

Its fairer.
 

NJCat

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Kopp...zero points, 1 rebound, 1 foul. That is all.

Something tells me he won't be invited back for a Covid exception season......
 

PurpleWhiteBoy

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How is it possible for Richmond to shut Iowa down after what they did to us?
We must be absolutely terrible defending the perimeter.
I don't get it. We play man-to-man defense. Stay with your guy. Fight through screens. Switch when necessary.

(I'm not buying the preposterous "Iowa was tired" excuse.)
 

Catreporter

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Same thing happened last year! Historically great B10 conference -> proceeds to **** the bed in the tournament
A little too soon to say that, especially in light of Ohio State's lights out defensive performance against Loyola. Now let's see how the rest of the day goes with some of the Big Ten's better teams (Iowa was only the fifth place team during the season). Every top BIG team has elite players (three consensus first team all-americans) and that's what separates them.
 

TheC

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A little too soon to say that, especially in light of Ohio State's lights out defensive performance against Loyola. Now let's see how the rest of the day goes with some of the Big Ten's better teams (Iowa was only the fifth place team during the season). Every top BIG team has elite players (three consensus first team all-americans) and that's what separates them.
Iowa had one of them
 

Figrating

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Iowa is also built for being upset:

1) They don't face opponents they know well as in the B1G
2) They play fast and furious, and on some days, when they are not on fire, that just does not translate to 80 points like they had against a very tough IN defense
3) They usually don't have the ability to be tough to score on. Add that to not always being on fire and you got a mix to be prone to being upset

Their season ended, in 2021, scoring 80, but allowing 95 from Oregon. In the same similar style they have, with Garza and Wieskamp.

Having said all this, they managed to beat Purdue, not by scoring like crazy, but by keeping Purdue in the 60's.

Gato, we're forced to concede you might know something after all! Tell us who wins the tournament so we can get our money down!

After watching Iowa go through the conference, I was sure they were bound for glory.
 

GatoLouco

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Gato, we're forced to concede you might know something after all! Tell us who wins the tournament so we can get our money down!

After watching Iowa go through the conference, I was sure they were bound for glory.
Have you seen my bracket? Kind like what you see below

 

TheC

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Purdue's potential road to the Final Four got a lot easier with both the #1 and #2 seeds in their region already out.
 

CatManTrue

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Houston is up 40-37 on Illannoy. Houston appears to be playing Hack-a-Kofi whereas they’d likely just be better off playing straight up.

Pulling for Houston in a big way…
 

lunker35

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Houston is up 40-37 on Illannoy. Houston appears to be playing Hack-a-Kofi whereas they’d likely just be better off playing straight up.

Pulling for Houston in a big way…
That technical was one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen.
 

TheC

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Wouldn't that be something if Michigan was the only BIG team left standing in the Sweet 16. They were one of the favorites before the season started, then they looked mostly mediocre during the regular season. And now, they may be the BIG team that makes the most noise when it counts.
 

catfans5

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Frankly, the results are not surprising. Is there really a good coach in the league. Izzo last won a title in 2001. Wisc runs a system Michigan, Indy and OSU have newer coaches. Is Painter any good? I don’t think so, underwood? No. How many professional players come from the B10? Not many. The Big 12 is a better league. I’d be surprised if the B10 gets a team in the Sweet 16.
 

Styre

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Frankly, the results are not surprising. Is there really a good coach in the league. Izzo last won a title in 2001. Wisc runs a system Michigan, Indy and OSU have newer coaches. Is Painter any good? I don’t think so, underwood? No. How many professional players come from the B10? Not many. The Big 12 is a better league. I’d be surprised if the B10 gets a team in the Sweet 16.

They already have a team in the Sweet 16.
 

CatManTrue

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You clearly weren’t watching and I guess don’t understand how sports works.
I watched Illannoy struggle with Houston all game. Once the Cougs started playing their game, they owned the second half. The one point from the technical is a loser’s excuse from the coach, their teams, and their fans.
 

CatManTrue

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It’s not worth arguing with a brick wall but that was the first article on my ESPN app.
Yes, i saw that. Illannoy’s Coach Underwood using it as a loser’s excuse is the article.

Did you notice that the dunk leading to the TF only pulled Illannoy within 4, and they ended up losing by 15? Illannoy trailed the entire second half.

Houston was the better team and won handily. I have much to teach you about sports kemo sabe, much like I learned about complimentary football from corbi.
 

Catreporter

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Illinois was SO LUCKY not to go out in round one. Didn't play or shoot well in either game and definitely do not belong in the Sweet 16.
 

TheC

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God I hate Duke and that slimebag coach of theirs.