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Piss, moan, *****, clutch your pearls. IDGAF. The results speak for itself. Game after game after game after game after game of complete **** 2nd half performances...in losses and wins. WVU outscores and opponent by 15 in the 1st half, wins by 3, and the kiss asses on this board keep whistling past the graveyard.

I've said it 100 times before and I'll say it again. Deep down, no one on this board is ever confident that a 5 point halftime lead will ever turn into a 10 win.
 
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Sadly, I'm with you now. I've seen the writing on the wall. Give him the Don Nehlen/Bill Stewart send-off and bring in some new eyes.
 
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Did Huggins have the worst in-game coaching the 859 times that we won? Geez, talk about kicking a family member while he's down!

Culver scored only 6 points.

WVU out-shot on field goals, 44.4% to 31.7%

Both teams made only 4 3-pointers.

Free throw percentages close, except Kansas made 14 of 21 and WVU 7 of 11.

Kansas had 13 turnovers to 19 for WVU, and MORE THAN HALF of the Mountaineers’ turnovers came in the 2nd half which helped Kansas wipe out a 7-point deficit to win with a 12-1 finish. I didn't see Huggins out there turning over the ball in the 2nd half, did you?

Good effort by WVU.

But Kansas’ 2 swords, EVERY game, are 3-point shooting and straight-line drives. I saw a LOT of straight-line drives for field goals by Kansas!

And you want to dump a Hall of Fame coach. Was he a bad in-game coach during the 858 games that he won?

Was Huggins on the floor turning the ball over 10 time in the 2nd half?

That was the #3 team in the nation out there.

Let's get ready for #1 Baylor!!!!
 
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Family member? Are you f*cking kidding? Good God, your worship of his is pathetic.

And for such an esteemed sportswriter I'd assume you would know that sports change over decades. Knute Rockne won a lot of games. Do you want his reincarnation on the sidelines next year?
 
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Another loss another ***** and moan thread.
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I do think Huggins deserves some flak for the offensive crap shoot that has been the better part of his tenure at WVU. Since the final 4 team, WVU has lacked any offensive outside of one relatively inconsistent scorer like Williams, Carter, Paige and hoping someone else has a good night to help. I do like the hard nose defense and tough rebounding core of the team, but that is not mutually exclusive to having some a better offensive game plan for the half court. He'd be wise to explore new ideas or even bring in an assistant that he actually listens to who knows a thing for 2 about offense. He definitely deserves criticism for his "play defense, get rebounds, but just make shots" approach when the offense gets completely skunked like the second half of this game.
 
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I do think Huggins deserves some flak for the offensive crap shoot that has been the better part of his tenure at WVU. Since the final 4 team, WVU has lacked any offensive outside of one relatively inconsistent scorer like Williams, Carter, Paige and hoping someone else has a good night to help. I do like the hard nose defense and tough rebounding core of the team, but that is not mutually exclusive to having some a better offensive game plan for the half court. He'd be wise to explore new ideas or even bring in an assistant that he actually listens to who knows a thing for 2 about offense. He definitely deserves criticism for his "play defense, get rebounds, but just make shots" approach when the offense gets completely skunked like the second half of this game.
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Yeah let's go hire D'Antoni. He's awesome. NOT
 
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Yeah let's go hire D'Antoni. He's awesome. NOT
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Who said anything about D'Antoni? I think Huggins is a great coach. However that does not make him perfect and I don't think I'm out of line in saying that "we just gotta make some shots" is not a great offensive strategy. When the players play Huggins style, they are competitive. When they don't, they fail to make the tournament. However when offensive production is the one thing that keeps the former teams at a Sweet 16 ceiling, you'd think you might want to add that in. I don't think its mutually exclusive to have a good defensive and rebounding team that also runs an actual half court offensive that helps create shots since WVU frequently lacks anyone who can create them on their own. All that to say, being the best at anything is knowing what you don't know so that you can either learn it or ask for help from someone who already knows it. Huggins does not seem to know how to take the potential of his teams and translate that to effective scoring.
 
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First you say Huggy is a great coach and then you explain why he is not.

Stick to the last part and believe yourself. He is not.
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
Who said anything about D'Antoni? I think Huggins is a great coach. However that does not make him perfect and I don't think I'm out of line in saying that "we just gotta make some shots" is not a great offensive strategy. When the players play Huggins style, they are competitive. When they don't, they fail to make the tournament. However when offensive production is the one thing that keeps the former teams at a Sweet 16 ceiling, you'd think you might want to add that in. I don't think its mutually exclusive to have a good defensive and rebounding team that also runs an actual half court offensive that helps create shots since WVU frequently lacks anyone who can create them on their own. All that to say, being the best at anything is knowing what you don't know so that you can either learn it or ask for help from someone who already knows it. Huggins does not seem to know how to take the potential of his teams and translate that to effective scoring.
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Is that in regard to my argument about Huggins being good, but needing work in some areas? Is it not possible to be an overall great coach, but still have consistent flaws or shortcomings? Or is the Teeter totter a refutation to my argument that a team can be effective in the half court offense and still be a good defensive and rebounding team? As in both sides can't be up at the same time?
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
Is that in regard to my argument about Huggins being good, but needing work in some areas? Is it not possible to be an overall great coach, but still have consistent flaws or shortcomings? Or is the Teeter totter a refutation to my argument that a team can be effective in the half court offense and still be a good defensive and rebounding team? As in both sides can't be up at the same time?
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Perhaps if the players actually listen to what they are being told then go out and execute then they might actually look good doing it.

Show me a great coach who doesn't have flaws and shortcomings. If they don't then they are paying somebody some good money to look that way.

If you thought this team was final 4 material then you seriously over estimated it all.

WVU is 18-6 and people bitching more than they did last year 15-21. It's a game. Not your life and reason for living. There are 2 teams. The other team wants to win as well. They executed WVU didn't.

Teeter totter is reference to you being up and down. You either like him or hate him.
 
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Did Huggins have the worst in-game coaching the 859 times that we won? Geez, talk about kicking a family member while he's down!

Culver scored only 6 points.

WVU out-shot on field goals, 44.4% to 31.7%

Both teams made only 4 3-pointers.

Free throw percentages close, except Kansas made 14 of 21 and WVU 7 of 11.

Kansas had 13 turnovers to 19 for WVU, and MORE THAN HALF of the Mountaineers’ turnovers came in the 2nd half which helped Kansas wipe out a 7-point deficit to win with a 12-1 finish. I didn't see Huggins out there turning over the ball in the 2nd half, did you?

Good effort by WVU.

But Kansas’ 2 swords, EVERY game, are 3-point shooting and straight-line drives. I saw a LOT of straight-line drives for field goals by Kansas!

And you want to dump a Hall of Fame coach. Was he a bad in-game coach during the 858 games that he won?

Was Huggins on the floor turning the ball over 10 time in the 2nd half?

That was the #3 team in the nation out there.

Let's get ready for #1 Baylor!!!!
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You're saying Huggins has won 859 games at WVU? Better get some more fingers and toes and do a recount.
 
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Perhaps if the players actually listen to what they are being told then go out and execute then they might actually look good doing it.

Show me a great coach who doesn't have flaws and shortcomings. If they don't then they are paying somebody some good money to look that way.

If you thought this team was final 4 material then you seriously over estimated it all.

WVU is 18-6 and people bitching more than they did last year 15-21. It's a game. Not your life and reason for living. There are 2 teams. The other team wants to win as well. They executed WVU didn't.

Teeter totter is reference to you being up and down. You either like him or hate him.
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Well that last statement is just like Bodhi and Muraca. Myopic splitting where you must either be 100% praising/defending Huggins to like him and if not you hate him. How many Huggins coached teams have to look ugly in the half court offense before the players not executing starts to look like a pattern? WVU has a decade worth of those teams as Huggins has tried to work around this deficiency including going to the press.
 
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.Bodhi. said:
You have nearly 10,000 posts on a college sports message board.
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yep since 2001. What’s your point? I’m also married with 3 kids completing my masters degree. So if you think this fills my life voids, you’re surely wrong.

and I ain’t crying on it...
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
Well that last statement is just like Bodhi and Muraca. Myopic splitting where you must either be 100% praising/defending Huggins to like him and if not you hate him. How many Huggins coached teams have to look ugly in the half court offense before the players not executing starts to look like a pattern? WVU has a decade worth of those teams as Huggins has tried to work around this deficiency including going to the press.
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I don't look at pretty. I look at WINS. I don't care if it's a beauty contest or mud wrestling. Wins matter more and Huggins has won a lot more than he's lost.
 
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I don't look at pretty. I look at WINS. I don't care if it's a beauty contest or mud wrestling. Wins matter more and Huggins has won a lot more than he's lost.
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That's a strawman and you know it. By ugly I mean ineffective and costs WVU games just like it did last night. Your line of looking at WINS makes no sense when we are talking about how lack of half court offense causing LOSSES and yet you just gloss over it. Huggins coaches good teams, but hasn't been able to recreate the 2009-2010 team magic and ineffective offense has been the consistent flaw with any teams that have come close.
 
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That's a strawman and you know it. By ugly I mean ineffective and costs WVU games just like it did last night. Your line of looking at WINS makes no sense when we are talking about how lack of half court offense causing LOSSES and yet you just gloss over it. Huggins coaches good teams, but hasn't been able to recreate the 2009-2010 team magic and ineffective offense has been the consistent flaw with any teams that have come close.
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Say he has the offense you desire. Effective and everything. Great half court and all. Yet still has the same results as last night wit 6 minutes no points and loses the game. You still bitching and griping asking for new guy and offense? I bet you are.

Wins matter more than pretty. Players miss baskets or hit baskets. Huggins doesn't. You don't like don't watch. I'm 100% behind coaches no matter who they are. Deal with it. He's here until he says he's not. No matter what you say or anyone else says.

IMO he coaches 2 maybe 3 more years then you can celebrate. Until then deal with it.
 
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Hes not a bad in game coach as much as our half court "offense" scheme is easy to figure out, and when everybody that can, or rather could, shoot dont play anymore or barely shoot because they cant anymore, you end up with 2 bigs clogging up the paint playing in the same box. We have a point guard that is a run the system used to be really good shooter, and a second one that is taller and more athletic, on paper that looks great, when the shooter is now a fullback and is constantly sitting, and the taller athlete cant dribble left and refuses to pass and has no idea how to run an offense, you end up scoring 49 points on your home floor in your biggest game of the year.

Get stronger yes, instill discipline defense and hard work yes, live in the 80s, tighten the hell out of everybody's shot, kill their legs completely, and nothing hit screaming cussing and negativity, EVER, and you turn over your entire team every couple years, and turn a final 4 team into a 49 points at home team. If anybody coach EVER needed a high quality young influential to him assistant who understood the other side of.the ball, its Huggs. Instead it's a bench full of yes men
 
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One good example to me, it's weird but fits, is the movie glory road. Good fundamental defensive basketball and rebound. It wasnt always working. His pg finally got through to him, and he said fine we'll play your game, and mine. For us it's one and that's it go to hell. I grew up Dennis Scott was my favorite non wvu, non laker ever. They got Kenny Amderson from New York city legend to GEORGIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, with an old white haired coach. They asked about it they said Cremins told Anderson he can dribble and pass the ball however he wanted, as long as it got where it was supposed to. That led to a final 4 and then getting Stephon Marbury. Work with the players, adjust at least a little to the game, and here's a new one for Huggs SUPPORT them even when they make shots.

Hes still living in his Cincy days, yeah kids appreciated him, and should, he was saving 90 percent of his team from prison, recruiting them off the streets or out of jail, and he gave them options and discipline, this isnt cincy a hundred years ago, not every player needs the exact same weight lifting program Kenyon Martin did, and players can appreciate you for actually improving their game and supporting them, he just doesnt get it
 
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One good example to me, it's weird but fits, is the movie glory road. Good fundamental defensive basketball and rebound. It wasnt always working. His pg finally got through to him, and he said fine we'll play your game, and mine. For us it's one and that's it go to hell. I grew up Dennis Scott was my favorite non wvu, non laker ever. They got Kenny Amderson from New York city legend to GEORGIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, with an old white haired coach. They asked about it they said Cremins told Anderson he can dribble and pass the ball however he wanted, as long as it got where it was supposed to. That led to a final 4 and then getting Stephon Marbury. Work with the players, adjust at least a little to the game, and here's a new one for Huggs SUPPORT them even when they make shots.

Hes still living in his Cincy days, yeah kids appreciated him, and should, he was saving 90 percent of his team from prison, recruiting them off the streets or out of jail, and he gave them options and discipline, this isnt cincy a hundred years ago, not every player needs the exact same weight lifting program Kenyon Martin did, and players can appreciate you for actually improving their game and supporting them, he just doesnt get it
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did you just say “support the kids even when they make shots” - because I think you yourself could learn from that very line. Instead of bombarding a 19yr old kid with insults and ****, maybe support him thru good and bad.
 
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Yes I said support the kids even when they make shots. He has a tendency lately to have a problem with kids that can shoot. All the way back to Casey Mitchell who wasnt a lock down defender but nowhere near horrible, but they said he was in the doghouse and having his minutes cut because they ran a defensive drill in practice where the guy came full speed with the ball and stationary defender had to stop him or some crap, and he didn't excel at it. Are you kidding me. Hes living in the old ages and can not stand shooters. Some guys are better at offense than defense and you need them as long as they play defense, he refuses to see it. Like I said before he would bench steph curry and KD and Harden until he taught them how to be able to not shoot.

Go ahead be a smart *** and pretend like I'm wrong just so you can shoot your mouth off, meanwhile this school is trying to not lose every player on it as often as it should be competing for final four . Meanwhile people idolize a one handed huge ego enormous headed div II player, but ok. Its the whole world, not one thing to do with the common denominators. 49 points
 
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Remember the quotes like, oh a ton of shot makers guys who can make so many shots, multiple high level 3 point shooters, and that is while they were playing against each other, and we're SUPPOSED to be this great defensive team and all these guys making shots against them, by less than mid season nobody can throw it in the ocean, the shooters and shot makers are benched. Explanation?? It's a common theme now, but close your eyes, type a smart *** post and pretend it's not real
 
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Say he has the offense you desire. Effective and everything. Great half court and all. Yet still has the same results as last night wit 6 minutes no points and loses the game. You still bitching and griping asking for new guy and offense? I bet you are.

Wins matter more than pretty. Players miss baskets or hit baskets. Huggins doesn't. You don't like don't watch. I'm 100% behind coaches no matter who they are. Deal with it. He's here until he says he's not. No matter what you say or anyone else says.

IMO he coaches 2 maybe 3 more years then you can celebrate. Until then deal with it.
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By your logic Huggins is never responsible for a loss. Put it all on the 18-22 year old amateurs. The man getting paid 3.8 million per year by a poor by B12 standards athletic department only gets the credit for wins.
 
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Say he has the offense you desire. Effective and everything. Great half court and all. Yet still has the same results as last night wit 6 minutes no points and loses the game. You still bitching and griping asking for new guy and offense? I bet you are.

Wins matter more than pretty. Players miss baskets or hit baskets. Huggins doesn't. You don't like don't watch. I'm 100% behind coaches no matter who they are. Deal with it. He's here until he says he's not. No matter what you say or anyone else says.

IMO he coaches 2 maybe 3 more years then you can celebrate. Until then deal with it.
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Seriously do you even read my posts because you keep putting **** in there that is not. For the 100th time. Huggins is a good coach. WVU is lucky to have Huggins. Huggins style does get the most out of players that lack the raw talent of the blue blood programs. Huggins has also had a decade of teams that were average or worse in terms of half court offense. When trying to get over the hump, it seems like that is usually the biggest weakness. Pointing that out is not saying I want Huggins replaced. I am saying if Huggins persistently has this problem, it may not be a bad idea to take some pointers from someone else even if it means adding an assistant to the staff. I'm not saying that's definitely the answer, but WVU keeps having this problem and doing the same thing again and again hasn't improved it.

Regarding your scenario. If WVU was as good an offensive team as you described and still had the result of the Kansas game last night, I'd not say the same thing. There is a difference between an off night and a recurring problem. I'm not shitting on his defense and toughness coaching after the KSU game because while both those aspects were garbage in that game, it's not a regular problem. Being stymied on offense not generated through offensive rebounds and steals is a regular problem. And when it's a problem across multiple rosters it can't be 100% on the players' lack of execution. But you seem to have this idea that Huggins can't dare take a shred of responsibility and anyone who thinks otherwise must 100% be against Huggins and want him gone.
 
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Ok folks. Huggs has been a great coach and is heading to the HOF. I support the guy but...teams are becoming like a replay tape...grunt, grunt miss the shot.
 
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Did Huggins have the worst in-game coaching the 859 times that we won? Geez, talk about kicking a family member while he's down!

Culver scored only 6 points.

WVU out-shot on field goals, 44.4% to 31.7%

Both teams made only 4 3-pointers.

Free throw percentages close, except Kansas made 14 of 21 and WVU 7 of 11.

Kansas had 13 turnovers to 19 for WVU, and MORE THAN HALF of the Mountaineers’ turnovers came in the 2nd half which helped Kansas wipe out a 7-point deficit to win with a 12-1 finish. I didn't see Huggins out there turning over the ball in the 2nd half, did you?

Good effort by WVU.

But Kansas’ 2 swords, EVERY game, are 3-point shooting and straight-line drives. I saw a LOT of straight-line drives for field goals by Kansas!

And you want to dump a Hall of Fame coach. Was he a bad in-game coach during the 858 games that he won?

Was Huggins on the floor turning the ball over 10 time in the 2nd half?

That was the #3 team in the nation out there.

Let's get ready for #1 Baylor!!!!
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So, decipher the first 2 sentences for me.
 
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Rootmaster said:
Ok folks. Huggs has been a great coach and is heading to the HOF. I support the guy but...teams are becoming like a replay tape...grunt, grunt miss the shot.
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Yet for the past decade you cheered your *** off for Huggins because things were working just the way they are. When he wins 10 straight don't come here praising like **** and saying he's the greatest ever at getting the best out of what he has.
 
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Yet for the past decade you cheered your *** off for Huggins because things were working just the way they are. When he wins 10 straight don't come here praising like **** and saying he's the greatest ever at getting the best out of what he has.
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Never said he got most out of what he has...actually think a lot of his recruits go backwards trying to fit into his idea of the game. Like huggs. Respect huggs. But like and respect wvu more junior.
 
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