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Well you stated Trump supporters are "deplorable" and "stupid". You say that, yet you can't explain how if it's true they defeated your ideas and your candidate?

So if they're stupid and deplorable yet beat you and Hillary, what's that make you and her?

Explain that logic? (Your silence is expected)

Explain my statements? Would you like stats about Trump having the highest percentage of his supporters being uneducated compared with the rest of all of the Republican candidates? Would you like to discuss how "deplorable" and "stupid" has no relevance to the outcome of an election? Would you like to discuss your grammar and English errors giving an individual example of my claim?

I'm open to discussing all of those.
 

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Explain my statements? Would you like stats about Trump having the highest percentage of his supporters being uneducated compared with the rest of all of the Republican candidates? Would you like to discuss how "deplorable" and "stupid" has no relevance to the outcome of an election? Would you like to discuss your grammar and English errors giving an individual example of my claim?

I'm open to discussing all of those.

Yes please proceed. Why don't you start by explaining how stupid people voted for a candidate who was the smartest woman in the world? Why did they do that? What suddenly made that a "smart vote"?

Then if you would be so kind, please elucidate for us what makes Trump supporters deplorable? Give examples.
 
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Explain my statements? Would you like stats about Trump having the highest percentage of his supporters being uneducated compared with the rest of all of the Republican candidates? Would you like to discuss how "deplorable" and "stupid" has no relevance to the outcome of an election? Would you like to discuss your grammar and English errors giving an individual example of my claim?

I'm open to discussing all of those.

FYI...you don't answer a question with more questions. You were asked to justify the claims made in your statement, can you?
 

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Yes please proceed. Why don't you start by explaining how stupid people voted for a candidate who was the smartest woman in the world? Why did they do that? What suddenly made that a "smart vote"?

Then if you would be so kind, please elucidate for us what makes Trump supporters deplorable? Give examples.

Well, now you're asking more questions and changing your original argument.

Your first claim was that my comment about Trump fans being deplorables and having a high percentage of uneducated ("stupid") didn't make sense because Clinton lost to Trump. As I said, your attempt is simply illogical. The winner (or supporters) of an election has no relationship to their intelligence.

Winning an election doesn't exclude that candidate (or his supporters) from being deplorable or stupid.

Justify my claim? Here is a study which showed that Clinton saw big increases in the top 50 educated counties in the country while seeing big drops in the least 50 educated counties. It also showed a surge for Trump support in the lowest educated counties.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

This article shows that as recently as 25 years ago, Democrats held a 9 point margin among uneducated white voters. Today, Democrats are down 25 points among that demographic, a huge 35 point switch during that time:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-trump/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b0692cdb148d

And if you look around, you'll see multiple sources showing that Trump had the highest percentage of his supporters who were uneducated out of the 15 leading Republican presidential candidates.

"The single best predictor of Trump support in the GOP primary is the absence of a college degree. In an analysis of Trump's blowout win in New Hampshire, Evan Soltas determined that the factor explaining most of the variance in Trump's support in New Hampshire was education."

Trump knows his fanbase is strongly uneducated. Why else do you think he proclaimed that he "loves the poorly educated" at a rally? Trump panders to his base. That's why he also claimed that there were "good people" on the white supremacist side of Charlottesville. He realizes that a significant part of his fanbase consist of white supremacist sympathizers, so he defends them.

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise. This is a guy who identifies how stupid and deplorable his base is. He is a guy who boasted about the veracity of that by claiming he could shoot somebody on Fifth Ave. and still not lose any support. He is a guy who admitted that he falsely claims things as "fake news," because if he says it enough, his followers will believe it when the "fake news" report negative news about him.
 

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Well, now you're asking more questions and changing your original argument.

Your first claim was that my comment about Trump fans being deplorables and having a high percentage of uneducated ("stupid") didn't make sense because Clinton lost to Trump. As I said, your attempt is simply illogical. The winner (or supporters) of an election has no relationship to their intelligence.

Winning an election doesn't exclude that candidate (or his supporters) from being deplorable or stupid.

Justify my claim? Here is a study which showed that Clinton saw big increases in the top 50 educated counties in the country while seeing big drops in the least 50 educated counties. It also showed a surge for Trump support in the lowest educated counties.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

This article shows that as recently as 25 years ago, Democrats held a 9 point margin among uneducated white voters. Today, Democrats are down 25 points among that demographic, a huge 35 point switch during that time:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-trump/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b0692cdb148d

And if you look around, you'll see multiple sources showing that Trump had the highest percentage of his supporters who were uneducated out of the 15 leading Republican presidential candidates.

"The single best predictor of Trump support in the GOP primary is the absence of a college degree. In an analysis of Trump's blowout win in New Hampshire, Evan Soltas determined that the factor explaining most of the variance in Trump's support in New Hampshire was education."

Trump knows his fanbase is strongly uneducated. Why else do you think he proclaimed that he "loves the poorly educated" at a rally? Trump panders to his base. That's why he also claimed that there were "good people" on the white supremacist side of Charlottesville. He realizes that a significant part of his fanbase consist of white supremacist sympathizers, so he defends them.

This shouldn't come as much of a surprise. This is a guy who identifies how stupid and deplorable his base is. He is a guy who boasted about the veracity of that by claiming he could shoot somebody on Fifth Ave. and still not lose any support. He is a guy who admitted that he falsely claims things as "fake news," because if he says it enough, his followers will believe it when the "fake news" report negative news about him.

Yup, well there 'ya go... you sure proved it. Now we know why Hillary lost. The stupid, deplorable & "uneducated" simply outnumbered the erudite, sophisticated, & lettered among us. So how's it feel taking orders from a bunch of low life GED types? Surely you're not going to let all of that Rhodes scholarship go to waste are 'ya? Tell 'ya what. Why don't you put all of those highly educated smarts to some productive use and develop a voting agenda with your superior ideas above the deplorables and uneducated so you can really get this country straightened out you pompous myrmidon.
 

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Trump knows his fanbase is strongly uneducated.

I thought it was the Left who most supported the disenfranchised, the dispossessed, and the disadvantaged? You mean a "white supremacist Nazi" cares more about the uneducated and "forgotten" than Socialist Leftists? You're disparaging people who lack access to expensive College educations or inherited Wealthy benefactors? So who is the constituency on the Left? Highly educated economically privileged Degree holding Professionals?

He realizes that a significant part of his fanbase consist of white supremacist sympathizers, so he defends them.

Well, if this is true then surely you can name them? If you can't name them, surely history will reveal their roots, would it not? So using your well financed education, why don't you Google who the original White segregationists of the Confederate South were? What party did they belong to? Who were the primary Slave masters that fought emancipation of Black people right up until the 1965 Civil rights act? Who worked to abolish Slavery in the late 1800's? Who owned Slaves in the South and which party went to War with the South to end it? Who voted along with Lyndon Johnson to end racial segregation in the antebellum South, and who fought for racial segregation...which party?

Put your superior education to some use and educate yourself about who the original White Supremacists in this country were? (and still are in many cases)

Be honest and come back with your well honed finely crafted highly educated research results. Or should an "uneducated" "deplorable" Black guy who's also a supporter of Trump perform and post the research for you instead, and thus demonstrate your fundamental educational paucity and immeasurable intellectual myopia?
 
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Yup, well there 'ya go... you sure proved it. Now we know why Hillary lost. The stupid, deplorable & "uneducated" simply outnumbered the erudite, sophisticated, & lettered among us. So how's it feel taking orders from a bunch of low life GED types? Surely you're not going to let all of that Rhodes scholarship go to waste are 'ya? Tell 'ya what. Why don't you put all of those highly educated smarts to some productive use and develop a voting agenda with your superior ideas above the deplorables and uneducated so you can really get this country straightened out you pompous myrmidon.

Why attempt arguing with facts and statistics when you can argue using illogical assumptions, right? You've mastered that.

Again, winning an election doesn't mean one side is more intelligent than the other. If you promised a bunch of 8th graders that you would get them an extra hour of recess, no more homework, and a room free of teachers they are allowed to make out in, you'd win the student council election even though it's clear you wouldn't be the brightest middle schooler campaigning.


I thought it was the Left who most supported the disenfranchised, the dispossessed, and the disadvantaged? You mean a "white supremacist Nazi" cares more about the uneducated and "forgotten" than Socialist Leftists? You're disparaging people who lack access to expensive College educations or inherited Wealthy benefactors? So who is the constituency on the Left? Highly educated economically privileged Degree holding Professionals?

The poorly educated aren't disenfranchised. You may want to educate yourself on the meaning of that word.

I never argued that the left doesn't have poorly educated. What I did argue - correctly - is that Trump had the highest percentage of any other Republican candidate's supporters who were uneducated. The uneducated flocked to Trump. He realized that and catered to them.


Well, if this is true then surely you can name them? If you can't name them, surely history will reveal their roots, would it not?

Clearly, you're one of the poorly educated. How can I name the white supremacist sympathizers who support Trump? That was the quote of mine that you responded to. Are you looking for individual names?

How about looking at the white supremacists in Charlottesville, many of whom were sporting MAGA and Trump gear. Then, check out what the KKK's official voting support went to. Check out the demographics of his support in the presidential election.

If you don't think that white supremacist sympathizers are far more prone to supporting Trump than Clinton, Sanders, or any of the other candidates, you're clearly out of touch with reality.

So using your well financed education, why don't you Google who the original White segregationists of the Confederate South were? What party did they belong to? Who were the primary Slave masters that fought emancipation of Black people right up until the 1965 Civil rights act? Who worked to abolish Slavery in the late 1800's? Who owned Slaves in the South and which party went to War with the South to end it? Who voted along with Lyndon Johnson to end racial segregation in the antebellum South, and who fought for racial segregation...which party?

Put your superior education to some use and educate yourself about who the original White Supremacists in this country were? (and still are in many cases)

Anyone with any knowledge of American political history will agree that Republicans and Democrats have flipped on civil rights stances since the slave days.

In modern history, Republicans are the party of David Duke, Steve King, Strom Thurmond, Jessie Helms, etc. Hell, my previous point is supported immensely by Helms' switch from Democrat to Republican in the late 60s, after he realized his racist ways were no longer accepted in that party.


Or should an "uneducated" "deplorable" Black guy who's also a supporter of Trump perform and post the research for you instead, and thus demonstrate your fundamental educational paucity and immeasurable intellectual myopia?

Tom, you should work on making any type of logical rebuttal to the facts I have presented. Hell, you've avoided the statistics about the Civil Rights Act voting demographics like the plague after I pointed out that the vote wasn't centered around party, but rather, geography.
 

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Why attempt arguing with facts and statistics when you can argue using illogical assumptions, right? You've mastered that.

Again, winning an election doesn't mean one side is more intelligent than the other. If you promised a bunch of 8th graders that you would get them an extra hour of recess, no more homework, and a room free of teachers they are allowed to make out in, you'd win the student council election even though it's clear you wouldn't be the brightest middle schooler campaigning.




The poorly educated aren't disenfranchised. You may want to educate yourself on the meaning of that word.

I never argued that the left doesn't have poorly educated. What I did argue - correctly - is that Trump had the highest percentage of any other Republican candidate's supporters who were uneducated. The uneducated flocked to Trump. He realized that and catered to them.




Clearly, you're one of the poorly educated. How can I name the white supremacist sympathizers who support Trump? That was the quote of mine that you responded to. Are you looking for individual names?

How about looking at the white supremacists in Charlottesville, many of whom were sporting MAGA and Trump gear. Then, check out what the KKK's official voting support went to. Check out the demographics of his support in the presidential election.

If you don't think that white supremacist sympathizers are far more prone to supporting Trump than Clinton, Sanders, or any of the other candidates, you're clearly out of touch with reality.



Anyone with any knowledge of American political history will agree that Republicans and Democrats have flipped on civil rights stances since the slave days.

In modern history, Republicans are the party of David Duke, Steve King, Strom Thurmond, Jessie Helms, etc. Hell, my previous point is supported immensely by Helms' switch from Democrat to Republican in the late 60s, after he realized his racist ways were no longer accepted in that party.




Tom, you should work on making any type of logical rebuttal to the facts I have presented. Hell, you've avoided the statistics about the Civil Rights Act voting demographics like the plague after I pointed out that the vote wasn't centered around party, but rather, geography.

I'm going to deal with you specifically on each of your points to find out how much your education is worth. For starters tell me Democrats stand against racial discrimination correct?

So explain to me how Democrats support race based hiring through affirmative action? If it's wrong to discriminate by race, why does the party support hiring by race and thus supports the exact discrimination they ostensibly oppose?

Please explain the "educated" rationale for race based discrimination through race based hiring? Clarity and logic would be most appreciated.
 

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Republicans and Democrats have flipped on civil rights stances since the slave days.
You ***** idiot......You trying to tell us that when the 13th Amendment abolished slavery in 1865 that Democrats were for civil rights. You need to read a little more.....might try checking the history of the KKK and what political party their members overwhelmingly were members of when they were in their hayday. You also might want to check what political party fought against almost all civil rights legislation well into the 1960's. While your at it....check out the history of one of your HERO'S ....the late KKK recruiter and Exalted Cyclops Bobby Byrd.
 

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You ***** idiot......You trying to tell us that when the 13th Amendment abolished slavery in 1865 that Democrats were for civil rights. You need to read a little more.....might try checking the history of the KKK and what political party their members overwhelmingly were members of when they were in their hayday. You also might want to check what political party fought against almost all civil rights legislation well into the 1960's. While your at it....check out the history of one of your HERO'S ....the late KKK recruiter and Exalted Cyclops Bobby Byrd.

He has an "elite" education @bornaneer, so I'm sure you're just providing some remedial tutoring for him.

Bull Conner, Lester Maddox, George Wallace & Bill Clinton mentor Arkansas Senator J. William Fullbright never switched parties or gave up their White supremacist racist beliefs. In fact George Wallace ran for the Democrat party nomination in '68 and damn near got it!

Keith Ellison is the most racist member of the current Democrat leadership in charge today, and that hate filled bigot is the party co-chair! You won't find David Duke listed on any Republican party roster, let alone as co-chair of the party! But of course we're reminding @Y.A.G Si Ye Nots of some of the Democrat past/present his elite education may have accidentally overlooked.
 
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You ***** idiot......You trying to tell us that when the 13th Amendment abolished slavery in 1865 that Democrats were for civil rights. You need to read a little more.....might try checking the history of the KKK and what political party their members overwhelmingly were members of when they were in their hayday. You also might want to check what political party fought against almost all civil rights legislation well into the 1960's. While your at it....check out the history of one of your HERO'S ....the late KKK recruiter and Exalted Cyclops Bobby Byrd.

If the political party I was a part of was as racist as the Republican Party is today, I would also try to discuss topics from 50 to 150 years ago.

Do you think Germany, in 2018, supports the Nazis?
 

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If the political party I was a part of was as racist as the Republican Party is today, I would also try to discuss topics from 50 to 150 years ago.

Do you think Germany, in 2018, supports the Nazis?
The political party you are a member of was and is probably still the most racist of any major political party in the history of our Country. You can point out some bad apples in the Republican Party but that won't change the historical facts. Open your eyes....you're most likely surrounded by many of you fellow Dem hicks down thar in good ol Huntington. I was born and raised in Morgantown.....just a little different than Huntington.
 

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so much Leftist hypocrisy, so little time to respond to it all.


you've avoided the statistics about the Civil Rights Act voting demographics like the plague after I pointed out that the vote wasn't centered around party, but rather, geography.

YOU made the statement that Trump's supporters were "stupid" and "deplorable". You were asked specifically what about them made them either or both? Post your answer to that direct question, because I can't seem to find it. Your initial post said nothing about "civil rights act" demographics, and you also didn't answer the direct question about that regarding which party opposed it (Civil rights act) in '65, and which party voted with Lyndon Johnson to pass it?

Republicans are the party of David Duke, Steve King, Strom Thurmond, Jessie Helms, etc

David Duke was not welcomed or supported by the Republican party. As for the others, their names were mentioned to indicate it was the Democrat party who was the author of the Jim Crow South. If you're claiming they have simply switched parties, why did it take Republicans to overcome Democrat objections to ending legal racial segregation while those Dudes were still Democrats?

my previous point is supported immensely by Helms' switch from Democrat to Republican in the late 60s, after he realized his racist ways were no longer accepted in that party.

Here your history is chronologically flawed. In the 60's, it was the Democrat party that opposed racial integration, and insisted on segregation. Those dudes left the party because Democrats would not abandon that position! What Republicans ran on maintaining the status quo in the South in terms of segregation? That was Democrat policy Mr. "highly educated".

How about looking at the white supremacists in Charlottesville,

How about it? You were asked to identify them, why didn't you? What made them "White Supremacists?" What policy of "Supremacy" did they advocate? Most of the Charlottesville protesters were simply organizing to keep historical aspects of Southern history in place. They wanted it preserved. That's "White Supremacy"? Even for Democrats who were also for keeping the status quo with Slavery?. We fought a War over it correct? Which side were the Democrats on?

Then, check out what the KKK's official voting support went to. Check out the demographics of his support in the presidential election.

Please post the statistics which indicated Republican support for, or pursuit of the KKK vote? What policies did Republicans advocate that were by design "White Supremacist"? You can't just say it, back it up with specific policy legislation.

Clearly, you're one of the poorly educated. How can I name the white supremacist sympathizers who support Trump?

Then you must be even more poorly educated than me because this is exactly what you've done! You just literally said all Trump supporters are uneducated and support White Supremacists. If you can't name them individually, why smear everyone with the same brush and you don't even know them? That's being more "highly educated"?[eyeroll]

The poorly educated aren't disenfranchised.

Then what makes them that according to the Left which is always screaming about how lack of proper educational opportunities has left entire Democrat constituent populations "disenfranchised"? So are they lying, or are you?

I never argued that the left doesn't have poorly educated. What I did argue - correctly - is that Trump had the highest percentage of any other Republican candidate's supporters who were uneducated.

Even if what you say about Trump's support is true (it's not), where is it also a corollary that all Democrat voters are more educated? Who's more stupid. Maxine Waters, or the Democrat constituents who voted for her?

Why attempt arguing with facts and statistics when you can argue using illogical assumptions, right?
You're asking or demonstrating?

Again, winning an election doesn't mean one side is more intelligent than the other.

Then why did you say all Trump's supporters are stupid? You either just contradicted yourself, or you're too stupid to know the difference.
 
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If the political party I was a part of was as racist as the Republican Party is today, I would also try to discuss topics from 50 to 150 years ago.

Do you think Germany, in 2018, supports the Nazis?

If the political party I describe as racist backed a policy that's as racist as race based hiring, I'd get out of that party (Democrats support racial set asides or quotas in hiring do they not?). Do you think the Democrats of the 60's would support eliminating ICE or sponsoring open borders like today's Leftist Democrats prefer?
 

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If the political party I was a part of was as racist as the Republican Party is today, I would also try to discuss topics from 50 to 150 years ago.

Do you think Germany, in 2018, supports the Nazis?
Whatever party you reside has one huge racist member.
 

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You ***** idiot......You trying to tell us that when the 13th Amendment abolished slavery in 1865 that Democrats were for civil rights.
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No, in fact, I was saying just the opposite of that. This is a perfect example of a deplorable - somebody who lacks basic reading comprehension. I said "since" the slave days. You underlined that as if it somehow meant that was when the switch happened.

Let me dumb it down for you:

Pretend you are 15 years old. You haven't seen Fat Aunt Judy since you were 7 years old. She sees you at a family reunion (or "orgy," as you West Virginians call them) and says "Hey, dumbass, you sure have gotten bigger since the last time that I saw you." You respond with "Yeah, I have grown 2' and gained 140 lbs. since then."

Does her use of "since" mean that you immediately became noticeably bigger when you were 7 years old, the last time that she saw you? No, it means that during that span (from her last time of seeing you at age 7 to the next time she saw you at age 15), you have gotten bigger. Does your use of "since" mean you immediately changed? No, it means that you have changed since that time, not having held that change starting at that time.

Let me dumb it down for you again:

Pretend you and your wife are having marital problems. You aren't happy with your sex life. You complain incessantly about how she will never fornicate with you. Finally, one day, she has enough. She says "Yes, I used to like making love to you. But you have gained 100 lbs. since our wedding, and I am turned-off by you now."

Does her use of "since" mean that she was turned-off by you on your wedding date? No, clearly, it means that during that time period (wedding date to now), you have gained weight and she has subsequently grown to find you unappealing.

Now, lets review my statement that you monumentally bombed:

"Republicans and Democrats have flipped on civil rights stances since the slave days."

Does that mean the slave days started the flip on Civil Rights stances of the parties? No, it means that since the slave days, there has been a flip on the stances.

Again, this is perfect example of a deplorable. But lets look a little more at your post.


You ***** idiot.....

You called me a "***** idiot." Besides proving that you have the reading comprehension skills of a slow fifth grader, you also used "1960's" instead of the correct "1960s" with no apostrophe. You also used "your" when you should have used "you're." You also used "hero's" when you should have used "heroes."

When you show a lack of basic reading comprehension, a lack of logic, and a lack of elementary English, you shouldn't call anyone "idiot," idiot.

The fact that Tom liked your comically illogical post shows just how dumb he is, too.
 

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No, in fact, I was saying just the opposite of that. This is a perfect example of a deplorable - somebody who lacks basic reading comprehension. I said "since" the slave days. You underlined that as if it somehow meant that was when the switch happened.

Let me dumb it down for you:

Pretend you are 15 years old. You haven't seen Fat Aunt Judy since you were 7 years old. She sees you at a family reunion (or "orgy," as you West Virginians call them) and says "Hey, dumbass, you sure have gotten bigger since the last time that I saw you." You respond with "Yeah, I have grown 2' and gained 140 lbs. since then."

Does her use of "since" mean that you immediately became noticeably bigger when you were 7 years old, the last time that she saw you? No, it means that during that span (from her last time of seeing you at age 7 to the next time she saw you at age 15), you have gotten bigger. Does your use of "since" mean you immediately changed? No, it means that you have changed since that time, not having held that change starting at that time.

Let me dumb it down for you again:

Pretend you and your wife are having marital problems. You aren't happy with your sex life. You complain incessantly about how she will never fornicate with you. Finally, one day, she has enough. She says "Yes, I used to like making love to you. But you have gained 100 lbs. since our wedding, and I am turned-off by you now."

Does her use of "since" mean that she was turned-off by you on your wedding date? No, clearly, it means that during that time period (wedding date to now), you have gained weight and she has subsequently grown to find you unappealing.

Now, lets review my statement that you monumentally bombed:

"Republicans and Democrats have flipped on civil rights stances since the slave days."

Does that mean the slave days started the flip on Civil Rights stances of the parties? No, it means that since the slave days, there has been a flip on the stances.

Again, this is perfect example of a deplorable"




You called me a "***** idiot." Besides proving that you have the reading comprehension skills of a slow fifth grader, you also used "1960's" instead of the correct "1960s" with no apostrophe. You also used "your" when you should have used "you're." You also used "hero's" when you should have used "heroes."

When you show a lack of basic reading comprehension, a lack of logic, and a lack of elementary English, you shouldn't call anyone "idiot," idiot.

The fact that Tom liked your comically illogical post shows just how dumb he is, too.

Are you practiced in the art of avoiding direct questions or does it just come naturally to you as a bodily function like defacation?

FYI, since you are in the process of critiquing grammar and punctuation, here is the standard colloquial English language definition of "deplorable" :
de·plor·a·ble
dəˈplôrəb(ə)l/
adjective
  1. deserving strong condemnation.
    "the deplorable conditions in which most prisoners are held"
    synonyms: disgraceful, shameful, dishonorable, unworthy, inexcusable, unpardonable, unforgivable.
This was your deifinition:

This is a perfect example of a deplorable - somebody who lacks basic reading comprehension.

Republicans and Democrats have flipped on civil rights stances since the slave days."

Does that mean the slave days started the flip on Civil Rights stances of the parties? No, it means that since the slave days, there has been a flip on the stances.

Again, this is perfect example of a deplorable".

Now using your fabulously acquired and magnificently funded higher eduction, kindly parallel for the unwashed & stupid"deplorables" reading your post how those two incongruent definitions align?

Also as a matter of record, the Democrats who opposed racial equality and integration in the South did so well after the Emancipation proclamation and subsequent Civil War. They did so up to as recently as 53 years ago...an inconevenient fact you have strategically avoided addressing in your incoherent rants.
 

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For starters tell me Democrats stand against racial discrimination correct?

What? Are you asking me to do something, telling me to do something, or simply had @atlkvb write this for you? Can you put in the correct commas so that your sentence begins to make even a little bit of sense.

YOU made the statement that Trump's supporters were "stupid" and "deplorable". You were asked specifically what about them made them either or both? Post your answer to that direct question, because I can't seem to find it. Your initial post said nothing about "civil rights act" demographics, and you also didn't answer the direct question about that regarding which party opposed it (Civil rights act) in '65, and which party voted with Lyndon Johnson to pass it?
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Yes, Trump has a high percentage of his supporters who are "stupid." I use "stupid" interchangeably with "poorly educated," as in most cases, they go hand-in-hand (see @atlkvb for reference).

I believe I already posted the numerous sources showing that Trump had the highest percent of any Republican candidate's supporters who were uneducated. That, once again, is why Trump exclaimed "I love the poorly educated." He did this because both he and his staff were aware of the fact that a high percentage of his support came from the poorly educated (or "stupid," in most cases).

"Deplorables" refers to people who lack basic ethics, tact, etc. Anyone who supports a guy who boasts about the size of his genitals during a presidential debate, mocks the appearance of another candidate's wife, mocks the appearance of a female candidate, boasts publicly about cheating numerous times on multiple wives, mocks the physical disability of another person, boasts about sexually assaulting women, makes numerous racial and/or ethnically insensitive comments, has been sued for $100 million by the Justice Department for racial discrimination, has paid the Justice Department seven-figures for a racial discrimination settlement, has been accused by multiple people of using the "N" word, has urged his followers to physically assault people who protest during his rallies . . . yeah, those supporters are deplorables.


David Duke was not welcomed or supported by the Republican party. As for the others, their names were mentioned to indicate it was the Democrat party who was the author of the Jim Crow South. If you're claiming they have simply switched parties, why did it take Republicans to overcome Democrat objections to ending legal racial segregation while those Dudes were still Democrats?
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Duke ran and WON as a Republican state rep. In the 90s (no apostophe, which you continue to butcher along with the other deplorable), Duke received more than 43% of the vote as a Republican U.S. Senator AFTER he formed an organization called the "National Association of the Advancement of White People" which was to mock the NAACP. He wasn't supported by the Republican Party? More than 43% of Republican voters in Louisiana sure welcomed and supported him with open arms.

The second part of your comment has no logic behind it. Numerous racist politicians switched from the Democratic to Republican parties as a result of the switch in political beliefs. Do you deny the politicians that I named (Duke, Thurmon, King, Helms) are/were racist? Why do you think some switched? Likewise, I can name numerous current Democrats who have switched in recent history citing racist GOP beliefs.

Your claim about Jim Crow laws is just more proof of my claim. Previously, the Democratic Party was the safe spot for racists. That is no longer the case and is supported numerous, numerous ways.

You keep saying that the Civil Rights Act voting was based on party. Facts simply do not support that. Hell, the president pushing the Act was Democratic. The Republican nominee for president that year (Goldwater) fought and campaigned hard against it. As I have said, the voting on it was determined by geography, not party. I already provided some stats for that, but I will provide more to further bury your argument:

This was the House vote:
61% of Democrats supported it
80% of Republicans supported it

This was the senate vote:
69% of Democrats supported it
81% of Republicans supported it

At this point, you'd say, "See, Republicans voted in favor of it by 12%-19%" as support for your argument. But what your deplorable mind doesn't understand is that was because of geography, not party.

Out of 145 House northern Democratic votes, 141 northern Dems supported it while only 4 were against it. Out of 103 House southern Democratic votes, 11 supported it while 92 were against it.

Clearly, the north overwhelmingly supported it and the south overwhelmingly was against it even in the same damn party. Hell, in the House, the northern democratic support of it was greater than the Republican support of it.

To further prove it, lets look at how the southern Republicans voted:

There were 11 Republican members of Congress from southern (Confederate) states. Every single one of those 11 voted against the Act. So, Republican members of Congress from southern states voted 0% for the act.

There were 116 Democratic members of Congress from the southern (Confederate) states. Only 8 voted for the Act (7%).

So southern Democratic congressmen voted 7% for the Act and 0% of southern Republican congressmen voted for the Act. As you can see, southern Democrats supported the Act at a higher rate than southern Republican congressmen. This isn't a feather in the Democratic cap. Even though they had a higher approval rate of it, regardless of party, it was extremely unpopular in the south. In total, only 6% of southern members of Congress, regardless of party, supported the Act.

There were 194 northern (better yet, the other 39 non-Confederate states) Republican congressmen. 85% of northern Republican congressmen voted for the Act.

There were 199 northern (better yet, the other 39 non-Confederate states) Democratic congressmen. 95% of northern Democratic congressmen voted for the Act.

As you can see, the Act was overwhelmingly popular in the north. Just like in the south, the northern Democrats approved of the act at a higher rate than the northern Republicans.

To summarize once again for you: Over 90% of all congressmen from the north, regardless of party, voted for it. Only 6% of all congressmen from the south, regardless of party, voted for it.

Clearly, the voting difference wasn't based on party, but rather, by geography.

I'm actually not trying to be a dick here for once. Your belief is the kind of ******** history that the convicted felon, Dinesh D'Souza promotes unethically. He manipulates the numbers, like I first presented, to claim what you were. But when you actually have the intelligence to look at the statistics logically, reality is entirely different.

The Civil Rights Act voting was not at all related to party and absolutely linked to geography.



Here your history is chronologically flawed. In the 60's, it was the Democrat party that opposed racial integration, and insisted on segregation. Those dudes left the party because Democrats would not abandon that position! What Republicans ran on maintaining the status quo in the South in terms of segregation? That was Democrat policy Mr. "highly educated".

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This claim by you should shut the book on your entire argument. You're trying to say that Jessie Helms switched from Democrat to Republican because Democrats would not abandon their belief in segregation? Helms is noted for having a contemptuous relationship with UNC, his home state university. In fact, he referred to it as the "University of Negroes and Communists." There are numerous, numerous stories and votes by Helms to prove his racism. It isn't really something that is in denial by anyone. He would have never left a party due to its racism, but rather, did the exact opposite.

I'll share one tidbit. In the late 90s, I played travel baseball for a team consisting of kids along the east coast. One of my teammates was a wealthy kid from North Carolina. He was a bright kid; went to a private high school, daddy owned numerous companies, etc. He's actually the chairman of one company, president of another, and chairman and/or director of at least three independent banks that I know of as well as owns a huge farm. He was previously the president of the biggest farm association in the country . . . and he is still in this thirties.

But he was your typical southern preppy kid. He had no problem admitting his racist ways. Shortly after his high school graduation, before he started playing at Cornell, he was telling a group of us (teammates) about his high school graduation. Senator Helms was the speaker, and in the middle of his speech, he twice used the N-word. Each time, the small crowd let out applause. This was Helms, and these were the people who supported him.

So your claim that these politicians jumped from Dems to Repubs due to Democrats promoting segregation is as absurd as your claim about the Civil Rights Voting Act.

I could go through each one of your comments refute them, but every single one is either factually incorrect or straw man arguments . . . hell, your very last one is as much of a straw man as you can get. You claimed that I contradicted myself when I said that every Trump supporter was stupid. I didn't make that claim. It's a straw man argument. You're wanting me to support something I never said.

Learn reading comprehension, stop with the straw man arguments, and then maybe I will educate you some more.
 

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Are you practiced in the art of avoiding direct questions or does it just come naturally to you as a bodily function like defacation?

FYI, since you are in the process of critiquing grammar and punctuation, here is the standard colloquial English language definition of "deplorable" :
de·plor·a·ble
dəˈplôrəb(ə)l/
adjective
  1. deserving strong condemnation.
    "the deplorable conditions in which most prisoners are held"
    synonyms: disgraceful, shameful, dishonorable, unworthy, inexcusable, unpardonable, unforgivable.
This was your deifinition:

This is a perfect example of a deplorable - somebody who lacks basic reading comprehension.


Now using your fabulously acquired and magnificently funded higher eduction, kindly parallel for the unwashed & stupid"deplorables" reading your post how those two incongruent definitions align?

You really are just not a very bright person.

You're trying to argue that a definition is the same as an example. Look what you just quoted of mine. I said " . . . a perfect example of a deplorable." I didn't say a definition of the word which you are trying to argue. You are trying to equate an example as being the same as a definition of a word.

Let me dumb it down for you:

Pretend I was discussing the word "moron." You wanted to know what I meant by "moron." I said that you were the perfect example of a moron because you greatly struggle with logic and reading comprehension. Then, you were to come back and say "NO! You're wrong! A moron is defined as 'a stupid person' and you said the definition was somebody who struggles with logic and can't read."

You see, an example is not the same thing as a definition. Deplorable, defined, is something shameful, disgraceful, etc. My example of somebody being deplorable is somebody who lacks basic reading ability - it's shameful.

Christ.

Also as a matter of record, the Democrats who opposed racial equality and integration in the South did so well after the Emancipation proclamation and subsequent Civil War. They did so up to as recently as 53 years ago...an inconevenient fact you have strategically avoided addressing in your incoherent rants.

I just destroyed that fallacy by showing the individual breakdown of the voting of the members of Congress. Southern Democratic members of Congress approved the Act at a higher rate than Southern Republican members of Congress. Northern Democratic members of Congress approved the Act at a higher rate than Northern Republican members of Congress.

The voting was based entirely on the geography of the voter's state and had absolutely nothing to do with party affiliation. You simply cannot use facts to argue otherwise.
 

atlkvb

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with the straw man arguments, and then maybe I will educate you some m

OK fair enough. Im at work now on my phone and I don't have time to refute your subterfuge line by line. You make statements with no attribution...form opinions or definitions unto yourself, rewrite history and redefine terms to fit your arguments while accusing others of lacking basic reading comprehension.

Fair enough. So I've asked you several questions you have avoided.

Why?

Want an example? I asked you to explain how Democrats who reject racial discrimination also support racial discrimination through race based hiring quotas and/ or racial set asides? Now you claim to have an "elite" education, and have taken license to criticize those who you believe do not engage you or recognize your cleverly deceitful propositions.

So here is a direct question for you to answer and ubdo the charges of lack of reading comprehension or logical explanation of facts that you so easily appendage to others.

So explain this? How can Democrats simultaneously reject racial discrimination in hiring by racially discriminating?

(This by the way FYI was one of the major reasons I decided to stop supporting Democrats, and I'm Black! The party is simply a mass of internal contradictions which you exemplify)
 

atlkvb

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You really are just not a very bright person.

Fair enough...but I voted Trump based on his policies. With that in mind, can you tell me how that vote was "deplorable" judging his policy proposals against the actual results to date?

It would also be helpful for me to understand how my uninformed vote could have been improved casting that choice for Hillary and her proposed policies which I assume were a superior choice for more educated voters?

So let's talk policy instead of your preference for personal insults of Trump supporters as "deplorable" or "uneducated"?

What were the mistakes of our votes for Trump based on the actual results to date of his policies and what did/do Democrats offer as superior more intellectually acceptable alternatives? Any examples you could provide to prove superior Democrat policy initiatives to Trump's current policy objectives and results would be appreciated.
 

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You really are just not a very bright person.

He isn't. I don't think you will have any luck trying to wise him up, but, good luck anyway. I now have him on ignore. He actually thought PMI (Private Mortgage Insurance) covered natural disasters such as flooding. I really can't understand how anyone his age could make it all the way through life, surely having a mortgage at some point or knowing someone who had a mortgage, and not know anything about PMI and flood hazard insurance.