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The thing i felt good about is Iowa was heading into this having already been in real high pressure matches in Tulsa. ISU haven't felt that yet. Corby says calm it's only November but using the National Duals to spring from should have helped Iowa. Its not like it was the first real taste of tough competition. So I dont buy the November downplay quite that simple
Corey isn't going to criticize anyone on staff at Iowa.

He needs them and any other connections he has within the program to make a living with recruiting tidbits and such.
 
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He's been an assistant how long? Some of you are clueless. Go for a walk it will be ok
The only Iowa guy I would consider would be Spencer, and that is Iffy. I think Nolf is going to be a good head coach some day, and told Flo he already has assistants in mind he wants. Hope he starts at a smaller program so he may still be a possibility when TnT retire, unless he falls on his face.
 

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Best bet is to log off for a few days the takes from casuals are about to be ridiculous. Hire guys who have never coached because now all the sudden 1 guy got a head job and took someone else's guys and got a trophy. And that guy is making 1 million a year. Yet the school is only paying 20% of that. Iowa would pay a new coach 400k max
Coaches salary and RTC is where the billionaire really comes in handy.
 

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Bailey was 23-5 and the 3rd seed at 133 last year!

That’s not a great year?
Not a great NCAA tournament for sure, but how do you say a 3 seed at nationals isn’t good?
March is what matters and he wasn't great . And he wasn't as good he didn't AA. My opinion is peoples expectations weren't realistic at 141 this year.
 
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No but I also realize its a November dual and March is what matters. Bailey wasn't great last year he had a good freshman year with his tilt and once he was scouted last year he wasn't as good. His advantage at 133 was speed and strength hes not a strong 141. Williams has had lapses like this his whole career. And those coaches are working with new athletes wait until March to judge Bailey and Williams will they improve I think so. Estrada will be back soon and he should push for the 157 spot. Maybe that will light a fire in Williams time will tell. Overreacting is very common here so I'm not shocked by any of it
Estrada should push for 141. If the Cuban strangler can make 141 with plenty of energy, Estrada should be able to. Why are Bailey’s hands always all wrapped up? Don’t know how he can grab anything. Estrada showed he was too small for 157 last year. Wasn’t he weighing in around low 159’s on full feed. 149 is ideal, but Block has been wrestling out of his mind, so you don’t break that momentum.
 

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Corey isn't going to criticize anyone on staff at Iowa.

He needs them and any other connections he has within the program to make a living with recruiting tidbits and such.
I don't do any wrestling media work heck I haven't posted on my Twitter in probably 2 years. WTF are you talking about make a living? What recruiting tidbits are you speaking of?
 

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Estrada should push for 141. If the Cuban strangler can make 141 with plenty of energy, Estrada should be able to. Why are Bailey’s hands always all wrapped up? Don’t know how he can grab anything. Estrada showed he was too small for 157 last year. Wasn’t he weighing in around low 159’s on full feed. 149 is ideal, but Block has been wrestling out of his mind, so you don’t break that momentum.
He can't make 141 certs happened long ago
 
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Not going to be a popular opinion, but I would love to see a coach like Pat Pop have the Iowa resources. I think he would also bring in some solid guys to build up the HWC. It's not the biggest name, but I think he has a pretty good track record at getting guys to buy in. Also, I think you look at a coach that can have a diverse roster, and get results out of each guy regardless of their style.
 
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Williams needs help with motivation wrestling D1 at Iowa? Sorry, but that’s a problem.
When someone thinks I'm the guy and nobody is there pushing them for the job some athletes become complacent. I'm not sure if that's the case with Williams or not but the way he stopped wrestling on the edge wasn't good. So when Estrada is back maybe that will help. Its my opinion do I know that Williams needs motivation no but from what I see it's wouldn't hurt to have a another guy pushing for the spot with Voinivich
 
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I don't do any wrestling media work heck I haven't posted on my Twitter in probably 2 years. WTF are you talking about make a living? What recruiting tidbits are you speaking of?
JFC...some fans read other boards.

We know what your posting.
You spend lots of time on Okie State site discussing recruits as if you have all the inside info.
Give it a rest.
You were the one floating the story that Dhabolt needs to work on academics.
BTW: I look forward to your denial.
 

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JFC...some fans read other boards.

We know what your posting.
You spend lots of time on Okie State site discussing recruits as if you have all the inside info.
Give it a rest.
You were the one floating the story that Dhabolt needs to work on academics.
BTW: I look forward to your denial.
Because I know people and have been around for over 30 years means I make $. What are you even talking about? Floating a story 🤣. Are you saying Dhabolt doesn't have to get his grades up? Tell me how I make a living off wrestling you are clueless. I post on all the boards because I'm a wrestling fan . I also do so under the same account and put my name on everything I say.
 

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Because I know people and have been around for over 30 years means I make $. What are you even talking about? Floating a story 🤣. Are you saying Dhabolt doesn't have to get his grades up? Tell me how I make a living off wrestling you are clueless. I post on all the boards because I'm a wrestling fan . I also do so under the same account and put my name on everything I say.
LOL, first you deny that you don't talk recruiting to the above weak azz explanation.
Give it a rest.
If I'm clueless, what does that make you?
 
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Your comment about Kennedy and his match tactics are something I’ve wondered. It feels as if there’s not a big emphasis on game planning opponents or self scouting our own guys.
Was Kennedy not aware that gaitan had that move to put him in neutral danger from a head inside single? Maybe that was something new, I have no idea. The fact he went back to the same position after the first time makes me think he had no idea.

Everyone knows what Drake is going to do, and unfortunately you never see him attack the opponents left leg in a big match. Not to mention, is frost that good on top that Drake wanted to go neutral? Was that pre determined decision prior to the dual? I’d assume Drake trusted that he wouldn’t get taken down

those are two specific instances from today, but that to me is a trend that I’ve noticed over the years.
My guess is they thought they could wear Frost out in the 3rd because of his first time down to weight. Frost's conditioning was impressive in the match and that may have been a surprise to the Hawks staff.

I watched the match last night and I was surprised at what a good match it was. From reading the posts on here, one would think Ayala laid a total egg. That was not the case at all. It was just some good all around wrestling.
 

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LOL, first you deny that you don't talk recruiting to the above weak azz explanation.
Give it a rest.
If I'm clueless, what does that make you?
How does talking recruiting on message boards pay me $ ?
You made that claim so now explain it.
Also I floated that Dhabolt needed to get his grades up because he does. Do you know his grades?
1 guy is working with facts and 1 is making up BS. One is clueless and one isn't 🤷
 

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How does talking recruiting on message boards pay me $ ?
You made that claim so now explain it.
Also I floated that Dhabolt needed to get his grades up because he does. Do you know his grades?
1 guy is working with facts and 1 is making up BS. One is clueless and one isn't 🤷
You're a fraud.
You went from denying you talk recruiting to now admitting it once I pointed out your lies.
And you can't even develop original thoughts...you commented on the Okie State board that Frost would be ISU's 149 a couple hours after I said the very same thing.

Kiss my azz!
You've earned the nickname "Pretzel".
 
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You're a fraud.
You went from denying you talk recruiting to now admitting it once I pointed out your lies.
And you can't even develop original thoughts...you commented on the Okie State board that Frost would be ISU's 149 a couple hours after I said the very same thing.

Kiss my azz!
You've earned the nickname "Pretzel".
How does talking recruiting on a message board pay me ? You made that claim now explain it and stop deflecting. You made up BS about me making a living off of wrestling so who's the fraud again. Frost is the guy and he won the in room wrestle offs which I knew about within hours of those happening. Kiss an anonymous persons azz isn't a possibility but you do you poser
 

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How does talking recruiting on a message board pay me ? You made that claim now explain it and stop deflecting. You made up BS about me making a living off of wrestling so who's the fraud again. Frost is the guy and he won the in room wrestle offs which I knew about within hours of those happening. Kiss an anonymous persons azz isn't a possibility but you do you poser
Pretzel...keep twisting.
It's amusing.😅
 
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The only Iowa guy I would consider would be Spencer, and that is Iffy. I think Nolf is going to be a good head coach some day, and told Flo he already has assistants in mind he wants. Hope he starts at a smaller program so he may still be a possibility when TnT retire, unless he falls on his face.
Do we know if Spencer wants to coach? Do we know if Spencer has the social skills to go out and meet with recruits/families? He's obviously a huge name and I think he's the best wrestler I've ever seen, but maybe some of you can answer those questions for me.

This probably won't be popular, but most of you are wanting to get rid of Brands and I see Spencer with a lot of the same traits/qualities as the Brands. Maybe his vision for an RTC and/or scrambling is different, but he's such a fan of the Brands Bros, it might feel the same if he was hired in the future, especially without much coaching experience prior.
 

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Do we know if Spencer wants to coach? Do we know if Spencer has the social skills to go out and meet with recruits/families? He's obviously a huge name and I think he's the best wrestler I've ever seen, but maybe some of you can answer those questions for me.

This probably won't be popular, but most of you are wanting to get rid of Brands and I see Spencer with a lot of the same traits/qualities as the Brands. Maybe his vision for an RTC and/or scrambling is different, but he's such a fan of the Brands Bros, it might feel the same if he was hired in the future, especially without much coaching experience prior.
I think him or Nolf would do a good job. Both are well spoken intelligent young men. Both are pretty big names. Nolf has the advantage of being a PSU guy, which recruits think is magic. Him and Taylor will be the first hot you coaches from carls coaching tree. He would bring a whole new staff and perspective. I think he respects Brands and Spencer and hopefully would run a clean program like them, but he also knows how hard it is to compete with Taylor and Carl without breaking rules. Brands found that out this summer when he lost Bo and Melvin. Nolf stated on Flo this year he wants to be a coach, and Spencer seemed annoyed in an interview last year that so they many people assume he wants to be a coach. It’s all a moot point, because like Ferentz, TnT will retire when they want to. If they can add a few more stud to the 28 class and 1 upper middle weight to 27, they will at least be recruiting good enough to be in the conversation for 2 nd in the near future. Still going to have to rely on some transfers until these guys are ready.
 

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The only Iowa guy I would consider would be Spencer, and that is Iffy. I think Nolf is going to be a good head coach some day, and told Flo he already has assistants in mind he wants. Hope he starts at a smaller program so he may still be a possibility when TnT retire, unless he falls on his face.
Spencer is too close to the Brands to consider this unless it is on the Brands terms.
 
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The thing with bringing in say a Nolf or Dake is much like how ISU hired Fred Hoiberg in basketball with no experience, you have to have a longtime ast coach to help him learn on the fly. But how do you find that type of ast coach that is fine being second fiddle?

Would a Tony Ramos fit that. Just thinking out load but a staff of Nolf, Ramos, Kem would check boxes. Doesnt have to be those guys but Iowa has the money to pay the assistants well enough to check the ego at the door as long as the head coach is the recruiting presence to compete with Cael or Taylor walking in and shaking hands.

Id also like the chance to get Cory Clark back on the staff due to his style and scrambling teaching as much as Kem but wouldn't be possible with Ramos
 
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We are just one billionaire donor away!
So many fans are so concerned with the "what" they have no clue about the "how"......

They see DT end up at OkState and automatically assume Iowa should have and would have had him if they offered. Meanwhile, never considering the timing(it came right after DT surprisingly lost in Trials) how much more stringent the Athletic and Compliance Departments are along with the fact that Nicolls has openly said he wouldn't have footed the bill.

I kept saying that DT just wasn't feasible then for Iowa and I am still 100% convinced I was right. Now, I have NO IDEA who you would replace the Brands with and confidently expect them to do better. It truly becomes a grass is greener on the other side situation and once you pull the trigger you are hope and pray from there on in.
 

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If true, I’m curious why they didn’t recruit him.
He wasn't that big of a recruit early in high school (2x state champ) with a funky style that not all college coaches liked. Wisconsin didn't offer him much either, I think I remember him saying. He won Fargo as a Senior and then recruiting picked up but he was committed to Missouri.
 
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My guess is they thought they could wear Frost out in the 3rd because of his first time down to weight. Frost's conditioning was impressive in the match and that may have been a surprise to the Hawks staff.

I watched the match last night and I was surprised at what a good match it was. From reading the posts on here, one would think Ayala laid a total egg. That was not the case at all. It was just some good all around wrestling.
 

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I don't see the issue as a development problem, rather a personality&talent evaluation problem as far as recent transfer issues. I think they've just missed more than they would've liked and been somewhat forced into accepting transfers due to hunting the portal out of need rather than desire to improve a certain slot. If you're accepting "luxury" additions from the portal your hit rate will be fairly good. If you're having to go find portal acquisitions to fill holes of need, or to truly increase your podium potential, your hit rate lowers. You find a guy to find a guy. Williams and Bailey are darn good wrestlers. However,they aren't necessarily what I expect an Iowa 141 or 157 to be. They weren't prior to Iowa either. Regardless of earning AA status. These transfer things are hit and miss. You may find an extremely good wrestler who fits in, has the work ethic, and buys into the program. Or you find one who is missing any one of those things and it affects the product on the mat. Most all of the guys Iowa fans reference, generally, when talking about what Iowa was and should be now were homegrown. The recruiting issue could be addressed with staff personnel changes I imagine. Get creative. Get younger. Get someone current recruits connect with and recognize.
 

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I don't see the issue as a development problem, rather a personality&talent evaluation problem as far as recent transfer issues. I think they've just missed more than they would've liked and been somewhat forced into accepting transfers due to hunting the portal out of need rather than desire to improve a certain slot. If you're accepting "luxury" additions from the portal your hit rate will be fairly good. If you're having to go find portal acquisitions to fill holes of need, or to truly increase your podium potential, your hit rate lowers. You find a guy to find a guy. Williams and Bailey are darn good wrestlers. However,they aren't necessarily what I expect an Iowa 141 or 157 to be. They weren't prior to Iowa either. Regardless of earning AA status. These transfer things are hit and miss. You may find an extremely good wrestler who fits in, has the work ethic, and buys into the program. Or you find one who is missing any one of those things and it affects the product on the mat. Most all of the guys Iowa fans reference, generally, when talking about what Iowa was and should be now were homegrown. The recruiting issue could be addressed with staff personnel changes I imagine. Get creative. Get younger. Get someone current recruits connect with and recognize.
Moving up a weight in college isn't easy unless you see a significant body transformation. Bailey and Williams seem to be the same size as last year yet they're up a weight. It's November so I wouldn't be giving up on them but they need to figure out somethings before March comes
 

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Moving up a weight in college isn't easy unless you see a significant body transformation. Bailey and Williams seem to be the same size as last year yet they're up a weight. It's November so I wouldn't be giving up on them but they need to figure out somethings before March comes

That's something Cael has always had a vision for that Brands lacks. Quickness typically translates up. Look for the skinny kids with big paws and shoulders they haven't grown into yet. Iowa has had a few- most notable personal favorites in Erekson & Kem. I would say Ryder Block still looks like a kid who has 157 in him.
 

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Why would we think Spencer would be a good coach?

Serious question. If somebody asked me that question I couldn't come up with great reasons.
I had the same question about Taylor. The best answer for both is recruiting off their name. Taylor also has the advantage of unlimited funds to work with and an athletic department where anything goes to win.
 
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That's something Cael has always had a vision for that Brands lacks. Quickness typically translates up. Look for the skinny kids with big paws and shoulders they haven't grown into yet. Iowa has had a few- most notable personal favorites in Erekson & Kem. I would say Ryder Block still looks like a kid who has 157 in him.
I have been thinking the same about block for years but he hasn't got thick years but it could definitely happen
 

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That's something Cael has always had a vision for that Brands lacks. Quickness typically translates up. Look for the skinny kids with big paws and shoulders they haven't grown into yet. Iowa has had a few- most notable personal favorites in Erekson & Kem. I would say Ryder Block still looks like a kid who has 157 in him.
It still blows my mind that kem used to make 157 in college
 

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Moving up a weight in college isn't easy unless you see a significant body transformation. Bailey and Williams seem to be the same size as last year yet they're up a weight. It's November so I wouldn't be giving up on them but they need to figure out somethings before March comes
Absolutely an issue. Bailey especially doesn't seem able to get to his offense especially from top. I wouldn't be shocked to see either AA come march but I don't know if predict it either.
 
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