We always hear how Tyler Russell isn't the right type of quarterback for Dan Mullen's system (I tend to subscribe to this notion also), but would Tyler have been more successful in Croom's West Coast offense? Interested to hear y'all's thoughts on this.
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Tyler Russell likes to hold on to the ball for 8-10 seconds in the pocket. In a West coast offense, the ball's out of the hand by the count of 3.
Tyler Russell likes to hold on to the ball for 8-10 seconds in the pocket. In a West coast offense, the ball's out of the hand by the count of 3.
Yes because teams would've actually believed we were throwing when we ran the draw on 3rd and 11.
I don't subscribe completely to the notion that our offense doesn't fit Tyler or vice versa. I get the gist of that idea, but don't really buy it. Production is production. Tyler is a very productive passer. A respectable passing game should open up the running game whether it is the qb who runs or the rb.
If a dual threat is going to be so much better in our system, he's going to have to put up HUGE numbers. If Tyler would be that much better in another system, we are wasting an nfl caliber QB. Again, I understand the line of thinking, but it is greatly exaggerated and a lot of it is the classic wishful thinking that the backup qb will be the savior.
If a dual threat is going to be so much better in our system, he's going to have to put up HUGE numbers. If Tyler would be that much better in another system, we are wasting an nfl caliber QB. Again, I understand the line of thinking, but it is greatly exaggerated and a lot of it is the classic wishful thinking that the backup qb will be the savior.
Mullen won with Leak at Florida and Tebow as the Dak option. From a non-maroon perspective Tyler doesn't move his feet in the pocket at all which all but announces his decision on the targeted receiver. He can't get to his other reads because his feet are planted. Also, ya'll haven't ever had good receivers. Bumphis started since day 1, and he was solid, but that's it, just solid
Yeah we didn't exactly have the guns at WR that we would need for Tyler to be successful.
We didn't really have anything except RB's and the occasional OL, but having 6 guys good at one single skill position and one good guy on a line that is only as good as its weakest member is entirely useless. I don't want to get into the Croom debate, but I actually like the WCO offense when it's done correctly. I don't think what Croom ran deserves the title "WCO" because it never once resembled the WCO.
I know this isn't necessarily correct but when I think of the spread offense I think of a QB with feet. I know that might not be the case 100% of the time, but even in its heaviest passing form (perhaps New Orleans Saints?) the QB can roll out of the pocket and avoid contact. That's why I think he could be successful in a WCO offense even with his slow release, even if he lagged more than you'd want him to his feet would never be an issue outside of the dropback.
I agree with MSUdawg25 though. When you get handed an above average QB you didn't necessarily recruit and he's the best thing you have, make it work. Mullen has made it work even if people complain about it. He can't run his entire playbook and that kind of reduces our players' skill-set, but running 50% of his playbook with a QB 10x's better than the next guy (at this point) still gives us a better chance to win. I'm excited for this season, but it's hard not to be excited about Dak bringing back the Relf-type QB to us. That's the best point I can make... a lot of people would rather start a healthy Relf ahead of Russell if they could. RELF!
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NO. Few NFL quarterbacks were successful in Croom's WC offense (pun intended). The West Coast in college requires special talents across the board. State doesn't attract those talents. I guess that's why few people run it in college.
Most of the problem in 2012 (and 2011) was the receivers. State had no separation. Koenning went wrong when Dak wasn't utilized more in the 3rd quarters as a "change of pace" QB. There were too many 3 throws and punt. Plus, they never had TR run the read option to keep defenses honest. In short, State was one dimensional.
Tyler's problem is not the offense, it's the skill around him. Outside of the UM and Northwestern game, when we had as good or better talent than the opposing team, he did well. When we don't, he doesn't. Our wide receivers were mediocre at getting separation, and while our line was solid, it was not one that could run against good SEC defenses. Certainly there are things that Tyler could do better, and we would have probably been better trading some of his passing ability for extra running ability, but overall he did fine. He's not tailor made for this offense, but the offense didn't really keep him from playing well.
One thing everyone seems to understand is the talent drop off we have taken at the running back position. We have to find another Dixon or Ballard soon. Lets hope Robinson, Milton, or Shumpert can become that.