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I bet cael makes them take down lol. If you are not good at the down position then you need to learn to get good. Cael is looking to make kids better not run from deficient positional wrestling in my opinion
Every dual is training for March. You better believe they will take down. Now’s the time to do it!
Agree. The OSU wrestlers at 25 and 33 are tough on top. Coach Cody will need to scout. Sure he will. We have some big dual meets way before OSU tho.
I like Bouzakis as much as the next guy, but geez Louise, we gonna rename him to BouSchalles with all the fretting about his top game and catching Luke.
Okay, they say smoking that stuff does bad things to the brain.
In all reality thus years tOSU team matches up great against us, the best in a couple of years. All the tossups are our freshman and 125. It is going to be a great match and expect OSU to show up, Ryan will have a full lineup unless something is truly wrong with a wrestler and he seems to of had them fired up and ready to go for the paycom duals.
The streek will continue, the score won't be close and will not accurately show just how competitive the dual actually was, imo.
The streek will continue, the score won't be close and will not accurately show just how competitive the dual actually was, imo.
This. If Mitch leaves multiple pieces of poor Paddy on the mat it will cause a delay. That match has Tech written all over it. I also think 174 Levi pulls a MD. Rocco wins a close one. Blaze make Davino look like a solid wrestler who is simply out classed. Luke wins in controlled fashion. SVN Murders Styles. Barr Techs Geog. Tom Ryan reminds everyone despite this lopsided loss fOSU is still the better program. The buckeye meltdown begins after this dual and fOSU finishes 3-4th in March. Recruiting goes well so we rinse and repeat each of the next 10 years.
Agree. Think Mirasola keeps it way closer than anyone thinks and Duke handles Cannon. Mendez will get his TF or pin.
I think if psu has choice in 2pd they go down without hesitation. 3rd pd maybe situational decision.
If you think Cael and team fear a loss you may be a casual
If you think Cael and team fear a loss you may be a casual
I think people here are underestimating Bouzakis. As of right now, I would consider that firmly a tossup and you could argue him a slight favorite over Luke based on current results.
He is wrestling very well this year at 125. One loss to a teammate that I wouldn't read much into - nobody here wants to ding Luke for his loss to a teammate. Luke will have to finish very clean and keep the match in neutral. And he's likely going to need more than one TD to beat him.
He is wrestling very well this year at 125. One loss to a teammate that I wouldn't read much into - nobody here wants to ding Luke for his loss to a teammate. Luke will have to finish very clean and keep the match in neutral. And he's likely going to need more than one TD to beat him.
Cael and company will have their wrestler take whatever position they think is most advantageous for the wrestler to win the match.
I disagree with people who think that they are going to put their wrestler in a disadvantaged situation during a match to test things out. That is what practice is for. This is not junior high - these guys want to win. That doesn't go away just because you have ordered priorities which allow you to big picture winning and losing.
EDIT - did not mean to respond directly to you, as I agree with your post. 3rd period is situational, 2nd period is likely down - both are decisions that you would think lead to the best path to win (maybe not, they will know better than me). My post is more in response to those who think they will put him down, just to put him down and see how he'll do. I don't believe that is the mindset at all.
Getting a feel for wrestler in a dual is strategic.
not sure if we are in agreement or not.
I disagree. There are times in the past where the psu wrestlers have taken bottom when it was to their advantage to go neutral. That being said it was usually to a wrestler they are clearly favored over and the dual wasn't close.
I think you are underestimating Luke. Luke didn't become a three time world champ because he had such a tough time adjusting to strong opponents. The teammate Luke lost too is significantly better than the one Nick lost against. Luke beat Ramos twice last year who was far more dangerous and skilled than Bouzakis. Throw in the epic tOSU meltdown at the mere thought of a dual against PSU and you have the perfect recipe for a lack luster tOSU performance. Ryan is probably already making his excuse speech. The dual will be a massacre and all the hype in the world won't prevent what even the buckeye wrestlers know is going to happen. "Same old buckeyes-same old lions" some names have changed but the excuses by Tom Ryan are ageless.
125 LL vs Bouzakis 3-0 (I think you will see how much luke has grown)
133 Blaze vs Davino 3-3(Davino is very good but I would not be shocked to see blaze win here)
141 Desmond vs Menendez MD 3-7
149 Van Ness vs Stiles MD 7-7
157 Duke vs Cannon Dec 10-7
165 Brink vs Paddy MD 14-7
174 Haines vs Karchla Dec 17-7
184 Rocco vs Fishback dec 20-7
197 Barr vs Geog MD 24-7
285 Mirasola vs Feldman Dec 24-10
24-10 most likely
18-17 us would be worst case scenario
30-4 would be best case scenario
24-11 avg
133 Blaze vs Davino 3-3(Davino is very good but I would not be shocked to see blaze win here)
141 Desmond vs Menendez MD 3-7
149 Van Ness vs Stiles MD 7-7
157 Duke vs Cannon Dec 10-7
165 Brink vs Paddy MD 14-7
174 Haines vs Karchla Dec 17-7
184 Rocco vs Fishback dec 20-7
197 Barr vs Geog MD 24-7
285 Mirasola vs Feldman Dec 24-10
24-10 most likely
18-17 us would be worst case scenario
30-4 would be best case scenario
24-11 avg
I'm well aware. McCrone turned him and pinned him. It is the one path to victory for a guy like McCrone against a guy like Luke. That is so unlikely to be repeatable that we already know Ryan won't feed McCrone to Luke. Luke went on to place first at BIG, third at the NCAA, and win a World title while Nick was busy beating a few guys far below Luke in wrestling skill and achievement. Should we compare losses or wins between these two guys?
Mendez is teching who ever psu throws out. Blaze beats davino.
Makes no difference to me. I was just letting you know in case you didn't . 125 is a toss up match currently
It makes sense to make every match a toss up with these dudes that are high fliers...
Andonian, Gomez, Rogotzke, etc...
You wrestle to win with best plan and tactics. Work on deficiencies in practice or meets that you can afford to test the boundaries.
I love your optimism and hope it goes the way you foresee it. But Bouzakis is dangerous, especially the version we've seen last season and this. He can beat anyone on any given day, often making it look easy. That's bad for Luke.
Bouzakis can also lose to almost anyone on a given day. That's good for Luke.
My Valentine's Day wish for the dual in February will be that the dangerous version of Bouzakis shows up and Luke brings both the lightning and the thunder to strike down NB in a smoldering heap on the mat.
I agree with what u suggest above. If we get out 6 matches to 4 and prevent Tech falls at 141 and Hwy, we’ll be OK. I think completely possible to lose vs Cannon, Davino and Bouzakis (in addition to Mendez and Feldman). If Rocco loses to Fishballs or if there are tech falls - that’s a problem
There are several things about Cael that are undeniably true. He hates losing. He has a strong mindset about how you achieve. You plan, then execute the plan. Over the years he has learned it is OK if the plan has some fluidity to it.
He truly enjoys beating Iowa and OSU, and adjusts to guarantee he sends his best team onto the mat against those two.
Unless it is a complete moronic call to do so, he will tell his guys to take bottom and get out at times they don't want to take bottom. There is a difference between wrestling a teammate in practice and a competitor who is tough on top in competition and there is something to learn from struggling down there.
He truly enjoys beating Iowa and OSU, and adjusts to guarantee he sends his best team onto the mat against those two.
Unless it is a complete moronic call to do so, he will tell his guys to take bottom and get out at times they don't want to take bottom. There is a difference between wrestling a teammate in practice and a competitor who is tough on top in competition and there is something to learn from struggling down there.
Bouzakis can absolutely pin anybody, but he just isn't likely to win a match against a guy as high level as Luke without a pin. Has he ever beaten anybody of Luke's caliber? I know he beats guys like Stevo and Dean Peterson, but has he beaten any top three place winners in his career?I know he has lost a lot. I don't think it will be very competitive as Luke will own him, but there is always the chance Bouzakis hits a home run and takes Luke feet to back. He isn't winning a takedown battle.I love your optimism and hope it goes the way you foresee it. But Bouzakis is dangerous, especially the version we've seen last season and this. He can beat anyone on any given day, often making it look easy. That's bad for Luke.
Bouzakis can also lose to almost anyone on a given day. That's good for Luke.
My Valentine's Day wish for the dual in February will be that the dangerous version of Bouzakis shows up and Luke brings both the lightning and the thunder to strike down NB in a smoldering heap on the mat.
Ramos pinned Spencer Lee. Who of the skill set has Nick beat? Did I miss something? It must have been in high school because he hasn't been much in college. What is Nick's best pin? Any top three guys? Top 4?
I like our guys as well, but what evidence are you giving for this????
I hope Nate ends up there as well, but with two common opponents with McCrone - Luke and Flynn - McCrone has done even better than Nate.
I feel like nobody (well, not many) on this board has watched Bouzakis wrestle this year at 125. He's been impressive and is not just relying on big moves (although he still has them in his arsenal).
Luke can well beat him, but he will have to be better than he was this weekend to do so.
Luke can well beat him, but he will have to be better than he was this weekend to do so.
I have watched him only at the Paycom duals and yesterday so I have not seen everything. They have wrestled McCrone some too making it harder. I saw the pin of Dean Peterson and that was shock and awe! Yesterday against Stevo he didn't look too hot, but that was one match.
Wouldn't Peterson's win last year put him in Lilledahl's caliber?
Also not getting why funky pins are being discounted here. We celebrated them from Bo Nickal, for example. Bouzakis has had some funky pins, but he's not exactly Soldano out there winning largely on junk. But even if he were, so what? Dylan Ness was a 2x finalist because he could hit that elevator from any position, and either he did or everyone feared it.
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For 1 night yes. But non placers and 3/Rd place guys are not in the same category imo. Luke has some head scratching matches but the best version of Luke is miles better than the best version of Dean. I feel the same about Nick. Maybe he is the new version for the year. I would be willing to bet a fairly high amount that Luke out places him this year. I could be wrong and the Hodge is all but his.
I agree that Lilledahl is probably better than Bouzakis but without much wiggle room between them, in either a dual or tournament setting.
I'd expect a rematch in the B10 finals, and possibly again in the NCAA semis or finals depending on seeds. Both are definitely making at least the quarters, and are gonna be tough outs from there.
You could be right. It will be interesting to follow. Middle of the pack guys sucking down another weight has not been a great recipe in the past. I'm really interested to see him off of the scale on day two of a tournament. We could have found out quite a bit but they sat him against NCST.