I agree with burning Clark's redshirt

[FlabLoser]

Redshirting is about making an investment in the future. Investments are sacrifices. You sacrifice spending today to bring something better tomorrow. But if you're Mississippi State, there is no tomorrow.

You need to make all you can today and hope you show enough promise to improve support from your fans and recruits in the future. You need guys like Tyler Russell to see something in Clarke and other people he'll be playing with. Recruits needs to see more than paper and stark rankings to help sell the program. We can't keep our good stuff bottled up so we can keep them longer later.

I might not have waited until game 8 to burn his redshirt. But burning it was the right thing to do.

 

[FlabLoser]

Redshirting is about making an investment in the future. Investments are sacrifices. You sacrifice spending today to bring something better tomorrow. But if you're Mississippi State, there is no tomorrow.

You need to make all you can today and hope you show enough promise to improve support from your fans and recruits in the future. You need guys like Tyler Russell to see something in Clarke and other people he'll be playing with. Recruits needs to see more than paper and stark rankings to help sell the program. We can't keep our good stuff bottled up so we can keep them longer later.

I might not have waited until game 8 to burn his redshirt. But burning it was the right thing to do.

 

[HD6]

That sums it up for me. Your opinion=tits on a bull.

 

[99jc]

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[Stormrider81]

"You need guys like Tyler Russell to see something in Clarke"

All they'll see in Clark is someone that could make plays and possibly help us win if they were used properly. Then again, as HD pointed out, you made excuses for Henig all during the summer of 2007. Stats and facts must not be your friend.

 

[patdog]

But by the time you get to the second half of the season, you don't ever burn a redshirt unless you need the player to start immediately due to injury. And you certainly don't do it if you're only going to let the player touch the ball 4 times in his first 2 games.

 

[birdZdawg]

And neither does hardly anyone else.

"You need to make all you can today and hope you show enough promise to improve support from your fans and recruits in the future."

That's exactly why Croom did it, but he waited too late and didn't play him enough to actually help us win ballgames.

Plus, I thought that he's not worried about 4 years from now anyway.

 

[DerHntr]

Game 9?
Game 10?
Game 11?
Game 12?

just wondering how far you would go with this "no tomorrow" idea.

personally if I were T. Russell, I would be much happier knowing that there was someone on the bench who has been touted to be NFL caliber and that that person would have the opportunity, through a redshirt, to start playing at the same time I did. instead we play him for 5 games and so far he has touched the ball less than 10 times in the first two of those 5. it APPEARS to be a waste to me.

 

[KurtRambis4]

nt

 

[OMlawdog]

If Croom is in his final year, and in the last 4 games of the season when there is little chance to go to a bowl and Russell hasn't played a snap, you would be ok with Russell playing an basically wasting a year to play in the 4th quarter of the last four games and go 4-8?

The argument is whether what you are getting in his wasted redshirt year, is worth what you would be getting in his 5th year.

Wouldn't you want a player that is supposedly as good as Clark to play 4 full years? Why play him 3 and 1/3?

I just hope you spend a lot of time in Lee and Leo's Daddy's building.

 

[FlabLoser]

Let's try this again.

I might not have waited until game 8 to burn his redshirt. But burning it was the right thing to do.

I would have burned it after game 2 or 3 - as soon as it became clear the offense was going to stay a trainwreck. Lipstick on a pig, yeah. Not "the answer by any means". But the best course of action for the current staff is to make the team the best it can be today. No sense in leaving tools in the toolbox.

Yeah, the coaching staff sucks. Yeah, they need a lot more than a potential playmaker coming off the bench. Not saying this is the solution, because it ain't.

But if we're worse without Clark, why the hell wouldn't you play him? So you can keep telling people "we'll be better in a year or two or 5 I promise"?

 

[DerHntr]

But burning it was the right thing to do.

when is it NOT the right thing to do?

Game 9?
Game 10?
Game 11?
Game 12?

I just simply can't believe that you would agree that doing it on game 12 is still the right thing to do. Hence I think you have a threshold for this particular decision that is higher than mine. Game 8 is unacceptable to me if there are no injuries leading directly to this need. My threshold is around Game 4 or at latest Game 5. I can't quickly explain where I get those numbers but they are the ones that I would rather see the staff go by.

 

[fishwater99]

FlabLoser[/b]]Let's try this again.

I might not have waited until game 8 to burn his redshirt. But burning it was the right thing to do.

I would have burned it after game 2 or 3 - as soon as it became clear the offense was going to stay a trainwreck.

Well maybe after all that scoring in the spring game, you would think our offensive geniuses would realize we need all the help we can get in game one.

No way in hell you wait 8 games to play Clark.

And for once I think I speak for the majority of the people on this board.

 

[FlabLoser]

Neither would I have waited for games 8-12. I said I'd have done it early in the season.

 

[patdog]

If he had, you wouldn't see the outrage you've seen on this message board. In fact, I wouldn't even use the term "burned his redshirt" if he'd started playing him early, because then he could have contributed for most of the season. But to wait until the 8th game to burn his redshirt, and then to barely use him in games 8 & 9, is inexcusable.

 

[BlindDawg]

dumbku

 

[DerHntr]

you said the following in your original post

- I agree with burning Clark's redshirt

- I might not have waited until game 8 to burn his redshirt. But burning it was the right thing to do.

and then in your second post

- But if we're worse without Clark, why the hell wouldn't you play him? So you can keep telling people "we'll be better in a year or two or 5 I promise"?

and then this in your third post

- Neither would I have waited for games 8-12. I said I'd have done it early in the season.

I understand that you personally would have not waited. I also understand that you believe that croom's waiting until game 8 was the "right thing to do" and that he goofed by waiting that long. my question: is it still the right thing to do in game 12? i personally think it is the wrong thing to do after game 5 and certainly the wrong thing to do in game 8.

it just seems that your argument is much like having your cake and eating it too. you say you wouldn't have done what croom did but what he did was the right thing to do. personally, when i think that i wouldn't do something then i consider that thing to be the wrong action to take.

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[PBRME]

I'm too lazy to type this all over again, below is my argument on BDJ for the redshirt burning.

Clark 5'10, 160 lbs, 4.5 40
Robinson 5'11, 181 lbs, 4.4 40

Just from watching them both on the field they are similar players. Robinson has been playing since the first game and has not been utilized since the first game. Robinson and McRae were clearly our 2 best playmakers coming out of the LA Tech game.

Why are we burning Clark's redshirt for plays that could be going to Robinson with similar results?

 

[FlabLoser]

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[DerHntr]

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[FlabLoser]

game 1 = ok

game 12 = hell no

I'd have been fine with it in game 6.

Game 8 - yeah, its a bit late. But I think it could still help us.

 

[Gene Swindoll]

Redshirting is about making an investment in the future. Investments are sacrifices. You sacrifice spending today to bring something better tomorrow. But if you're Mississippi State, there is no tomorrow.

You need to make all you can today and hope you show enough promise to improve support from your fans and recruits in the future. You need guys like Tyler Russell to see something in Clarke and other people he'll be playing with. Recruits needs to see more than paper and stark rankings to help sell the program. We can't keep our good stuff bottled up so we can keep them longer later.

I might not have waited until game 8 to burn his redshirt. But burning it was the right thing to do.

only playing the last 3 games of his true freshman year < 5th year senior..........i all your rambling, you forget whats best for clark.....and another thing, how many times has he touched the damn ball?....it's just more bullsh$t

 

[Spotdawg]

off the field. Gosh Doggit....they just won't quit giving! They are fast and get "Big Plays" every time that they get the rock. 15 to 20 touches apiece? Hell, I would cut it back to 2 or 3 a game.

You can't expect too much from a Freshman!

 

[Coach34]

No, you dont think its a good idea, because you said you wouldnt have waited till game 8...

Fact- Croom waited till game 8
Fact- You said its not a good idea at game 8

You dont agree, and neither do we. 4 touches in 2 games after burning a redshirt in game 8 is beyond stupid

 

[Gene Swindoll]

not to mention what our recruits are seeing in how croom has handled clarks redshirt.....they're probably thinking that it could just as easily be them next year......one word..dumb, not good for recruiting.