I agree with Lindsey Graham. Let Obamacare collapse

WVPATX

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Stop the illegal Obamacare cost sharing subsidies and it will die rather quickly.


Lindsey Graham: ‘Let Obamacare Collapse’



JACK CROWE

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina thinks America should just let Obamacare fail, and he told reporters as much Monday evening on the Hill.

“I don’t think we can put it together among ourselves. I’ve always believed let Obamacare collapse … that has always been my preferred route,” he told reporters.

Graham has been vocal in his support for the Trump administration’s efforts to halt the payment of Obamacare cost sharing subsidies, which would likely cause the Obamacare collapse he wants.

The Trump administration recently requested the court delay its ruling for 90 days in House v. Price, a lawsuit first brought against the Obama administration by House Republicans who alleged the cost sharing subsidies are unconstitutional. The request for delay has been criticized for increasing uncertainty in state insurance markets as providers are unsure if they will continue receiving federal subsidies in 2018.

If the Trump administration is successful in stopping the payment of cost sharing subsidies, insurance providers would be forced to choose between rapidly exiting Obamacare exchanges and increasing premiums by roughly 20 percent, according to the Washington Examiner.

Graham said he had not spoken to any of his colleagues who began the drafting process over the recent recess, but added that he thought most of the disagreements were over Obamacare’s expansion of Medicaid to low-income people.

Graham joined Republican Senators Richard Burr, Ron Johnson and Jeff Flake in predicting the Senate will be unable to repeal and replace Obamacare this year. (RELATED: GOP Senator Says Obamacare Repeal Is Nowhere Close To Happening)

Graham’s pessimistic contradicts statements made by Sen. Majority Whip John Cornyn. Cornyn told the Hill a repeal would pass by July at the latest.
 

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Why not just repeal and replace? lmfao, this administration has no credibility with intelligent people. Why are they unable to do something they promised forever now that they have all three branches? I know why.
 

WVPATX

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Why not just repeal and replace? lmfao, this administration has no credibility with intelligent people. Why are they unable to do something they promised forever now that they have all three branches? I know why.

You boys passed the monstrosity. It is dying a painful death. Take away the subsidies and it dies even more quickly. Let the people see the fruits of Dem policy. You were in favor of it so you should be happy to see it continue.
 

Boomboom521

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You boys passed the monstrosity. It is dying a painful death. Take away the subsidies and it dies even more quickly. Let the people see the fruits of Dem policy. You were in favor of it so you should be happy to see it continue.
Was it just Dems that passed it? Obama himself daid it was just a "starter house" that would need to be altered in time.

Keyser has a very good point....why not just lead (with majority in Congress AND the WH) like Trump claimed he would do?
 

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Was it just Dems that passed it? Obama himself daid it was just a "starter house" that would need to be altered in time.

Keyser has a very good point....why not just lead (with majority in Congress AND the WH) like Trump claimed he would do?

The Dems won't participate. They are completely obstructing. And you need 60 votes in the Senate to pass meaningful changes to Obamacare and without those 60 votes, you get half measures through reconciliation. That is not the answer.
 

Boomboom521

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The Dems won't participate. They are completely obstructing. And you need 60 votes in the Senate to pass meaningful changes to Obamacare and without those 60 votes, you get half measures through reconciliation. That is not the answer.
There are ways to get bills passed with votes from the opposition party. Maybe if fixing Obamacare wasn't so political to begin with, more Dems would be on board. Maybe if Trump didn't play political football like Marshall plays power 5 opponents, the leading could take place at some point.
 

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Was it just Dems that passed it? Obama himself daid it was just a "starter house" that would need to be altered in time.

Keyser has a very good point....why not just lead (with majority in Congress AND the WH) like Trump claimed he would do?

He waited until 2016 to tell us that. We told you from the getgo it was unsustainable, and would die. That the end goal was, and still is, single payer, which is unacceptable to a majority of this country.
 

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There are ways to get bills passed with votes from the opposition party. Maybe if fixing Obamacare wasn't so political to begin with, more Dems would be on board. Maybe if Trump didn't play political football like Marshall plays power 5 opponents, the leading could take place at some point.

Boom, Dems passed Obamacare without a single GOP vote. They had 60 Senators and did not think they needed them. So they ignored them. Now, Obamacare is dying. Trump did not start this, Obama and the Dems did.

Reminder: Obamacare passed without a single Republican vote
by In the news Wednesday, November 20. 2013


by NW Spotlight

Back in 2009 and 2010, Democrats controlled the White House and the U.S. House and U.S. Senate. President Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rammed Obamacare through without a single Republican vote.

The Washington Post said of the Obamacare fight at the time “It has inflamed the partisanship that Obama pledged to tame when he campaigned for the White House and has limited Congress’s ability to pass any other major legislation.”

In December 2009, the U.S. Senate voted 60 to 39 for Obamacare. The Washington Post reported “The Senate bill passed without a single GOP vote.”

In March 2010, the U.S. House voted 219 to 212 for Obamacare. 34 House Democrats and all of the House Republicans voted against Obamacare. The NO votes were the only bipartisan votes.

President Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) on March 23, 2010.


President Obama embraces HHS Sec Kathleen Sebelius and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi after signing the health insurance reform bill, March 23, 2010. (White House photo)

Democrats ignored the plans offered by Republicans at the time – including the House GOP plan drafted by Rep. Tom Price (R-GA) and The Patients’ Choice Act of 2009 introduced byU.S. Senators Tom Coburn, M.D. (R-OK) and Richard Burr (R-NC) and U.S. Representatives Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Devin Nunes (R-CA).
 

Boomboom521

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I personally know four diehard Republican supporters that are getting needed medical help through Obamacare. Another one in rehab on Medicaid.

Democratic failure? I'm not disputing that, but I think there are many Americans that need help that Obamacare provides.

Any which way you slice it....it's on the GOP now. Stop with the Obama talk, and just implement your agenda already. It's pretty chickenshit (Democrat or Republican) To have the majority and control of the veto, and still blame the opposition party for preventing your agenda.
 

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It's pretty chickenshit (Democrat or Republican) To have the majority and control of the veto, and still blame the opposition party for preventing your agenda.

Anything that is repeal the Democrats won't support. They control the filibuster. ACA or bigger (single payer) is unsustainable without dealing with cost first and foremost. California is about to find that out the hard way. If we don't start smaller and smarter, we're in for a world of hurt any way you slice it.
 

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I personally know four diehard Republican supporters that are getting needed medical help through Obamacare. Another one in rehab on Medicaid.

Democratic failure? I'm not disputing that, but I think there are many Americans that need help that Obamacare provides.

Any which way you slice it....it's on the GOP now. Stop with the Obama talk, and just implement your agenda already. It's pretty chickenshit (Democrat or Republican) To have the majority and control of the veto, and still blame the opposition party for preventing your agenda.

The GOP can and should not do this alone. It should be bipartisan. Legislation this big should have support from both sides of the aisle. This is one of the huge mistakes Obama made. I can't remember any legislation this big that was not bipartisan.

Boom, Dems did it under Harry Reid. He needed 60 votes and could not get them. He railed about obstruction. The GOP House passed many bills that Reid would not even bring up in the Senate. This stuff works both ways.
 

Boomboom521

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Anything that is repeal the Democrats won't support. They control the filibuster. ACA or bigger (single payer) is unsustainable without dealing with cost first and foremost. California is about to find that out the hard way. If we don't start smaller and smarter, we're in for a world of hurt any way you slice it.
Ok. The GOP sold a billionaire being only for the interests of the working class....surely they can sell this to the American people too. GOP is in power, Dems are weak, what's stopping it?
 

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Ok. The GOP sold a billionaire being only for the interests of the working class....surely they can sell this to the American people too. GOP is in power, Dems are weak, what's stopping it?

Democrats putting party before country, with the MSM for the most part in their back pocket?
 

Boomboom521

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The GOP can and should not do this alone. It should be bipartisan. Legislation this big should have support from both sides of the aisle. This is one of the huge mistakes Obama made. I can't remember any legislation this big that was not bipartisan.

Boom, Dems did it under Harry Reid. He needed 60 votes and could not get them. He railed about obstruction. The GOP House passed many bills that Reid would not even bring up in the Senate. This stuff works both ways.
I guarantee there are Dems that would support a legitimate replacement.
 

WVPATX

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I guarantee there are Dems that would support a legitimate replacement.

You are wrong, dead wrong. They have been instructed to obstruct as part of the resistance. But even if you are right about a Senator (Manchin) or two, they still need 60 votes. That means 8 Dem Senators must come on board. It they did, Schumer would destroy their careers. That is how the game is played.
 

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It didn't change the electoral math did it? Shouldn't change the ability to rally support for GOP legislation either.

Schumer : "Drop repeal and then come talk to us about finding a bipartisan way forward. We are always willing to work in a bipartisan way,"

So, not going to happen. Democrats want an unsustainable path.
 

Boomboom521

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Schumer : "Drop repeal and then come talk to us about finding a bipartisan way forward. We are always willing to work in a bipartisan way,"

So, not going to happen. Democrats want an unsustainable path.
Tell me the major differences between the Trump supported House healthcare bill, and Obamacare.
 

TarHeelEer

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Tell me the major differences between the Trump supported House healthcare bill, and Obamacare.

Not much, which is why you don't see me chirping for it. I'd never last 4 years as president, I'd tick people off on both sides. We need to go back pre-Obamacare, and take this piecemeal rather than some huge gargantuan project. Agile. Not waterfall.
 

Boomboom521

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Not much, which is why you don't see me chirping for it. I'd never last 4 years as president, I'd tick people off on both sides. We need to go back pre-Obamacare, and take this piecemeal rather than some huge gargantuan project. Agile. Not waterfall.
Now see, that at least makes sense to me. This attempt to "replace" Obamacare is merely an attempt to shift credit from Dems to Trump....thus the obstruction. If the bill gave Obamacare credit and sought to make needed changes to the existing bill, more Dems would be on board.
 

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Now see, that at least makes sense to me. This attempt to "replace" Obamacare is merely an attempt to shift credit from Dems to Trump....thus the obstruction. If the bill gave Obamacare credit and sought to make needed changes to the existing bill, more Dems would be on board.

No they wouldn't. The second I took away pre-existing conditions I'd be a baby killer.
 

WVPATX

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Now see, that at least makes sense to me. This attempt to "replace" Obamacare is merely an attempt to shift credit from Dems to Trump....thus the obstruction. If the bill gave Obamacare credit and sought to make needed changes to the existing bill, more Dems would be on board.

The changes needed in Obamacare are so great, it is beyond salvage. The exchanges are going bankrupt. The GOP will not support a mandate (it is still unconstitutional regardless of the ridiculous machinations that Roberts went through to approve it). And without the mandate, Obamacare falls apart. The risk pools would be destroyed.
 

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There are ways to get bills passed with votes from the opposition party. Maybe if fixing Obamacare wasn't so political to begin with, more Dems would be on board. Maybe if Trump didn't play political football like Marshall plays power 5 opponents, the leading could take place at some point.

boomer has stumbled into the Truth here. Neither the Dems or the Republicans (most of 'em) want to actually "fix" the ACA.

The dirty little secret is neither party wants the stain of the ACA's failure on their hands, so they're posturing to blame each other for its inevitable collapse.

The fix to the ACA comes when it is fully repealed, and fully replaced with a true free market solution that does not involve Government subsidizing any premiums, mandating coverage limits, dictating who gets covered or saying what health care providers must charge or what consumers must pay for care.

A true free market solution would obviate the need for the bureaucrats and they simply can not see themselves as integral components of whatever legislation gets passed to fix this clunker of a law.

It'll get solved when constituents demand the bureaucrats get out of the way and allow the free market to fix it.

Any other solution won't work, especially if it is designed by, mandated by, or administered by Leviathan and its minions.
 
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atlkvb

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It's pretty chickenshit (Democrat or Republican) To have the majority and control of the veto, and still blame the opposition party for preventing your agenda

I have to admit he (boom) has a point. If the Republicans really were interested in repealing this Turkey, it'd be done already.

They (Republicans) want the issue, but they do not want responsibility for the solution (a true free market alternative) because just like the Leftists Dems, they do not trust the American people or the free market.
 

WVPATX

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I have to admit he (boom) has a point. If the Republicans really were interested in repealing this Turkey, it'd be done already.

They (Republicans) want the issue, but they do not want responsibility for the solution (a true free market alternative) because just like the Leftists Dems, they do not trust the American people or the free market.

I don't disagree but there are limits of what they can do under reconciliation. Remember, without using reconciliation they need 60 votes for any changes.
 

atlkvb

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I don't disagree but there are limits of what they can do under reconciliation. Remember, without using reconciliation they need 60 votes for any changes.

True, but why not just repeal it then (they don't need 60 votes to do that) then take their case for a true free market solution to the American people?

Boom's right. Some leadership is needed here, but many of those Republicans are "wanna be" Dems--they love big Government and think it still needs to be involved in some way in Health care.

That's why they can't come up with a consensus bill both houses can get behind and pass. McConnell, and a host of other RINOS are the problem here.