Watching the BCS show on ESPN. Theyare allso high on TCU, Boise, Stanford, and Wisconsin but I don't see any of them beating Bama, Auburn, or LSU. Maybe it is just my SEC bias but damn I am sick of seeing these schools play one or two ranked teams all year and get in the top 10.
I am convinced the top 5 should have 3 SEC teams.
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Watching the BCS show on ESPN. Theyare allso high on TCU, Boise, Stanford, and Wisconsin but I don't see any of them beating Bama, Auburn, or LSU. Maybe it is just my SEC bias but damn I am sick of seeing these schools play one or two ranked teams all year and get in the top 10.
not this year.
If Auburn loses they are toast.
LSU is tainted by the Tenn. loss, I mean deal, and the North Carolina experiment.
If Auburn loses they are toast.
LSU is tainted by the Tenn. loss, I mean deal, and the North Carolina experiment.
Let's just say... hypothetically... Auburn goes undefeated but loses to South Carolina in the conference championship. USC goes to a BCS game, but you think they'd pass over Auburn in the national title game? If so, then would Auburn miss out of a BCS game entirely?
No way a team goes to the BCS Champ when their most recent game is a loss (unless the 2nd & 3rd play teams have 2 more losses or something).Incognegro said:
If USC beats Auburn, USC gets the Sugar Bowl and Auburn would surely get an at-large. I doubt they fall far enough in the polls to not go to a BCS game.
The real world is just waiting for Auburn to lose, if they do, they are toast, especially if they lose in the SEC CG,... last game of the year.
Rule of thumb, lose early or you are screwed.
There are exceptions(LSU with 2 loses , but considering the questions around Auburn...they are toast.
Just my opinion.
Rule of thumb, lose early or you are screwed.
There are exceptions(LSU with 2 loses , but considering the questions around Auburn...they are toast.
Just my opinion.
I think pollsters are sick of 1 loss SEC teams being the shoe in to the national title game, and example number one is Wisconsin being ahead ofLSU with LSU havinga recent win against Bama and their only loss to Auburn.Wisconsin did put up 83 against Indiana, but I think LSU is the better team, and 3 years ago under the same circumstances I bet LSU is ahead of Wisconsin.
The only way LSU gets to the title game is for 3 teams ahead of them in the BCS to lose, because they won't jump TCU or Boise, even though I think LSU would beat them both.
The only way LSU gets to the title game is for 3 teams ahead of them in the BCS to lose, because they won't jump TCU or Boise, even though I think LSU would beat them both.
Is how everyone was saying that if Bama finishes with one loss then they should be in the title game. Now when the possibility of Auburn or LSU finishing with one loss comes up they act as if there is no way they deserve it. I am slowly coming around to wanting a playoff.
I hate that Boise and TCU don't play in big time conferences,but they do go through their schedule and win all their games, and they should be rewarded by being able to prove they are worthy on the field. 8 team playoff seems fair.
Use the current BCS bowls as hosting sites, and add the Cotton Bowl and the Capital One Bowl. 4 games in the first round get the Cotton Bowl and Capital One sites, and 2 of the current BCS sites. The semifinals gets the other 2 current BCS sites. Then the championship game rotates between the 4 original BCS sites like it does now, and the BCS sites also rotate between the opening round and the semifinals every year.
This would ensure the current BCS sites get a Top 8 matchup which some of them currently don't (Looking at you Big East), and that each current BCS site still gets a championship game every 4 years. Then add 2 bowl games in place of where the Cotton and Capital One bowls left. Seems complicated, but it really isn't.
Use the current BCS bowls as hosting sites, and add the Cotton Bowl and the Capital One Bowl. 4 games in the first round get the Cotton Bowl and Capital One sites, and 2 of the current BCS sites. The semifinals gets the other 2 current BCS sites. Then the championship game rotates between the 4 original BCS sites like it does now, and the BCS sites also rotate between the opening round and the semifinals every year.
This would ensure the current BCS sites get a Top 8 matchup which some of them currently don't (Looking at you Big East), and that each current BCS site still gets a championship game every 4 years. Then add 2 bowl games in place of where the Cotton and Capital One bowls left. Seems complicated, but it really isn't.
It's just one more week. Plus, conference champions could get included and you could still go off the rankings to fill in the other spots.
If we win out the rest of the year, we could possibly be in the 16 team playoff. We've lost to 3 teams ranked ahead of us, and there is no way in hell we deserve to be in a playoff for a national title.
I want the Top 8. I don't care about conference champions, because the Big East doesn't have a single worthy team that should be allowed anywhere near a playoff for a national title. If you do a 16 team playoff, there will most likely be a a number of2 loss teams in the hunt, and I don't think that should be allowed unless a 2 loss team is ranked in the Top 8, like Bama may be.
If you do 16, here are some 2 loss teams that would get in right now:
Va Tech, who lost to James Madison
Oklahoma, who lost to TAMU
Missouri, who lost to Texas Tech
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I want the Top 8. I don't care about conference champions, because the Big East doesn't have a single worthy team that should be allowed anywhere near a playoff for a national title. If you do a 16 team playoff, there will most likely be a a number of2 loss teams in the hunt, and I don't think that should be allowed unless a 2 loss team is ranked in the Top 8, like Bama may be.
If you do 16, here are some 2 loss teams that would get in right now:
Va Tech, who lost to James Madison
Oklahoma, who lost to TAMU
Missouri, who lost to Texas Tech
None of those teams are worthy of being in the hunt for a championship. </p>
and played LSU in the BCS National Championship game. USC got left out of it (rightfully so - those cheating bastards)!!!
Any given thursday, friday, saturday, sunday or any day that a football game is played, any given team can win or get beaten. Hell, look at the 07-08 Patriots/Giants games. How many people even thought that the Giants would have beaten the Patriots let along make it to the playoffs? And with a 16 team playoff system, I don't even see ourselves making it at all.
Consider this: There are 11 conference in D1-A football along with 3 and soon to be 4 independents. You take the 11 conference champions and give them automatic bids and take the top 5 ranked teams that didn't win their conference. There's no way MSU would make it in a format like that given that Alabama, LSU, Stanford, Missouri and Oklahoma probably won't win their conference. There are too many good 1 loss teams in the equation to allow something like that to happen. And looking at the Non AQ conferences for this year alone, 2 out of those 5 conferences has TCU and Boise. The other 3 conferences (Sun Belt, C-USA, and Mid-American) will no doubt be the lower seeds to play against the number 1, 2 and 3 teams, and out of them, I consider UCF to be competitive if anything.
I'm sorry...but this just makes too much sense to me for it not to be in use.
Consider this: There are 11 conference in D1-A football along with 3 and soon to be 4 independents. You take the 11 conference champions and give them automatic bids and take the top 5 ranked teams that didn't win their conference. There's no way MSU would make it in a format like that given that Alabama, LSU, Stanford, Missouri and Oklahoma probably won't win their conference. There are too many good 1 loss teams in the equation to allow something like that to happen. And looking at the Non AQ conferences for this year alone, 2 out of those 5 conferences has TCU and Boise. The other 3 conferences (Sun Belt, C-USA, and Mid-American) will no doubt be the lower seeds to play against the number 1, 2 and 3 teams, and out of them, I consider UCF to be competitive if anything.
I'm sorry...but this just makes too much sense to me for it not to be in use.
That makes no 17ing sense at all. I think the fact that you think Florida International, who is leading the Sun Belt, should have an opportunity to win a National Title over a one loss Big 10 team like Ohio St or Michigan St, or a one loss Big 12 team like Nebraska or OK St. That is just plain stupid.
This isn't the NCAA basketball tournament. It's college football. We know who the best teams are, and we shouldn't let some arbitrary conference winner be allowed to play for a title just because they won their conference. FIU is 4-5, and under your scenario, they would be in a NATIONAL TITLE playoff over Ohio St. How stupid can you be?
This isn't the NCAA basketball tournament. It's college football. We know who the best teams are, and we shouldn't let some arbitrary conference winner be allowed to play for a title just because they won their conference. FIU is 4-5, and under your scenario, they would be in a NATIONAL TITLE playoff over Ohio St. How stupid can you be?
I don't know if you're refusing to hear my proposal out, your reading comprehension is too low, or you're just that much of a dumbass. Let me break it down to you in a way that even a troglodyte such as your self can at least grasp at the basic concept.
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- You're defending Ohio State that, at this very moment, won't make your 8 team playoff suggestion.
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- In my 16 team suggestion,Ohio Statewould make it.Under the assumption that the 11 conference champions will look like so: Oregon, Auburn, Boise, TCU, Michigan State, Oklahoma State/Oklahoma/Nebraska, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh/South Florida/West Virginia/Syracuse, UCF, Temple/Northern Illinoise, Florida International. With that being said, the 5 at large teams would more than likely be LSU, Stanford, Ohio State, Oklahoma State/Nebraska, and Alabama. So no, not that many teams that have a legitamite shot of making a title run will get over looked. I'll agree that there will be teams making it in because their conference is weak over teams that are exponentially better, but out of 16 teams, at most that'll be 3 teams that don't deserve to be there. I'll take 13/16 team ratio any day. To me, it's all about seeing who the best team really is. Not what team looks the best.
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- You're a *****.
I'm just going to boldsome the teams who would make it underyour scenario, then bold the sentence where you say it's all about seeing who the best team really is.Incognegro said:
In a Top 8 scenario or a Top 16 scenario, there is a 100percent chanceof someone more deserving having a shotthan in your scenario. Any playoff for a title thatexcludes aTop 15 ranked BCS school and is replaced by a Sun Belt representative with a losing recordis awful.
I really just don't agree. See it how you want, and I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise. I'll continue to stand by the bolded statement that you so kindly pointed out to me. I'd like to think I'm well aware of it since I'm the one who wrote it. What I meant by it is that without question, the best teams in the NCAA will be in there even though a few teams may not need to be included.
That being said,you're still going to miss teams especially inthe NCAAwith how big the whole organization is. With things as they are, the main teams that would be on the outside looking in are Arkansas, Oklahoma and Missouri. I will whole heartedly agree with you by saying that they deserve to be in over Sunbelt, C-USA, and Mid-American teams, but I'd much rather be fairin trying to think of the best way to see just who the best team is.You can't always go by a team's performance in a historically great conference when determining who the best teams are. Oregon, although I do think they deserve their position, is playing quite possibly one of the weakest schedules out of anybody ranked in the top 25. Who's to say that they wouldn't lose in week 2 in any playoff?
That being said,you're still going to miss teams especially inthe NCAAwith how big the whole organization is. With things as they are, the main teams that would be on the outside looking in are Arkansas, Oklahoma and Missouri. I will whole heartedly agree with you by saying that they deserve to be in over Sunbelt, C-USA, and Mid-American teams, but I'd much rather be fairin trying to think of the best way to see just who the best team is.You can't always go by a team's performance in a historically great conference when determining who the best teams are. Oregon, although I do think they deserve their position, is playing quite possibly one of the weakest schedules out of anybody ranked in the top 25. Who's to say that they wouldn't lose in week 2 in any playoff?
But I'm not a big fan of that way in college football. I don't like it in college basketball, but with there being 300+ teams in D1 college basketball, taking conference champions and puting them in the tournament is all that willwork because there are too many teams and not enough exposure for all of the teams to be properly evaluated.
That's why I'm not a big fan of taking conference champions in college football. There are less games, less teams, and enough exposure for everyone to know exactly what each team is. That's why I like a ranked playoff better than a conference championship +5 playoff. I think it dilutes the pool of teams in the NCAA Tournament, and if you want national media attention for football, I don't think puting a team like FIU against an Auburn or an Oregon would make for good football.
That's why I'm not a big fan of taking conference champions in college football. There are less games, less teams, and enough exposure for everyone to know exactly what each team is. That's why I like a ranked playoff better than a conference championship +5 playoff. I think it dilutes the pool of teams in the NCAA Tournament, and if you want national media attention for football, I don't think puting a team like FIU against an Auburn or an Oregon would make for good football.
It certainly wouldn't be interesting to see that matchup in the first week, but week 2 on should be entertaining. The main reason why I mainly back this set up the most is because I like to be as fair as I can. I also fall into the understanding that whoever in the NCAA decide post-season play will more than likely see things your way. For me, as long as there is some sort of playoff, I'm fine.
But if they did adopt a 16 team playoff, then they'd probably take my way but tweak it a little by keeping AQ and Non-AQ conferences. For Non-AQ teams to make the playoff, they'd probably have to win their conference and still be ranked in the top 25 in order to get accepted. If they don't fill this requirement then that just adds that many more teams pulled from the highest ranking.
The only thing I don't like about this is this: Let's say that hypothetically, the WAC has a head to head conference championship game. Let's assume that Boise is ranked and undefeated going into the conference game and loses and their opponent is not even ranked and won't be after the game. More likely than not, Boise is still going to the playoffs but the team that beat them will be just below the radar. It kinda seems unfair to me that they could win their conference championship game and not get rewarded for it. Truth be told though,it would be much more interesting seeing 2 out of the 3 in Arkansas, Missouri and Oklahoma make it in over the other teams previously discussed.
But if they did adopt a 16 team playoff, then they'd probably take my way but tweak it a little by keeping AQ and Non-AQ conferences. For Non-AQ teams to make the playoff, they'd probably have to win their conference and still be ranked in the top 25 in order to get accepted. If they don't fill this requirement then that just adds that many more teams pulled from the highest ranking.
The only thing I don't like about this is this: Let's say that hypothetically, the WAC has a head to head conference championship game. Let's assume that Boise is ranked and undefeated going into the conference game and loses and their opponent is not even ranked and won't be after the game. More likely than not, Boise is still going to the playoffs but the team that beat them will be just below the radar. It kinda seems unfair to me that they could win their conference championship game and not get rewarded for it. Truth be told though,it would be much more interesting seeing 2 out of the 3 in Arkansas, Missouri and Oklahoma make it in over the other teams previously discussed.