I am for Kevin Wilson, and here is why....

[msudogsrule01]

First year as OC for Northwestern
103 Northwestern 284.64

 Year two 3 Northwestern 475.64

Year three
15 Northwestern 442.91

Oklahoma one year prior to Wilson
66 Oklahoma 366.67

Oklahoma since Wilson Arrived
Co-OC
37 Oklahoma 392.57
19 Oklahoma 439.43
8 Oklahoma 462.08
71 Oklahoma 355.08

OC
40 Oklahoma 368.71
19 Oklahoma 448.93
3 Oklahoma 562.08

Average over 11 seasons: 418.07 yards per game. Not to mention he wasn't awful at Miami (Ohio).
1992 294.4
1993 267.5 Had nothing to work with the first two seasons.
1994 374.1
1995 362.4
1996 317.8
1997 443.3
1998 384.2

 

[msudogsrule01]

First year as OC for Northwestern
103 Northwestern 284.64

 Year two 3 Northwestern 475.64

Year three
15 Northwestern 442.91

Oklahoma one year prior to Wilson
66 Oklahoma 366.67

Oklahoma since Wilson Arrived
Co-OC
37 Oklahoma 392.57
19 Oklahoma 439.43
8 Oklahoma 462.08
71 Oklahoma 355.08

OC
40 Oklahoma 368.71
19 Oklahoma 448.93
3 Oklahoma 562.08

Average over 11 seasons: 418.07 yards per game. Not to mention he wasn't awful at Miami (Ohio).
1992 294.4
1993 267.5 Had nothing to work with the first two seasons.
1994 374.1
1995 362.4
1996 317.8
1997 443.3
1998 384.2

 

[msudogsrule01]

First year as OC for Northwestern
103 Northwestern 284.64

 Year two 3 Northwestern 475.64

Year three
15 Northwestern 442.91

Oklahoma one year prior to Wilson
66 Oklahoma 366.67

Oklahoma since Wilson Arrived
Co-OC
37 Oklahoma 392.57
19 Oklahoma 439.43
8 Oklahoma 462.08
71 Oklahoma 355.08

OC
40 Oklahoma 368.71
19 Oklahoma 448.93
3 Oklahoma 562.08

Average over 11 seasons: 418.07 yards per game. Not to mention he wasn't awful at Miami (Ohio).
1992 294.4
1993 267.5 Had nothing to work with the first two seasons.
1994 374.1
1995 362.4
1996 317.8
1997 443.3
1998 384.2

 

[DawgNsuds]

The more I see Wilson, the more I like him as well. A good offense will bring in quality players. My opinion that winning is crucial, I want to challenge each and every year for a bowl. But I will say a 6 & 6 record is more palatable if you run an exciting offense. That type of offense will generate excitement with the fan base, recruits and media.It will remove most of our stereotypes and allow us to build a consistent winner.I would use Leech and what he he has done at Tech as an example.

 

[The Byrne Center]

I like the fact that Wilson looks and acts like a hard ***. I mean come on, he has a stache'. You have to be a hard *** to have a mustache... Chuck Norris, Burt Reynolds, Jack Lambert, Dick Butkis, Ditka.... all hard asses. Burt not as much as the others, but he was the bandit so he's in the fray.

 

[thunderclap]

maybe a little moreso than the UF offense, though I know they did a good job with Leak.

Damn it. I swore I wasn't going to do this all day. Sumbitch.

 

[sixpackmafia]

I think he will be someone's head coach before next year, if not the end of 09......he is a hot commodity, someone made a good point that every proven head coach was once a coordinator at one point.....Kevin Wilson is energetic, been a coordinator for a long time and been successful at it as well.....it is his time to be captain of a ship......he also is that 'salesman' type that makes good recruiters as well..... I wanted him from day 1 over peterson, patterson, mullen, etc..... just like i wanted tyler russell over moore and garrett.....i loved it when garrett decommitted and we got russell.... now, lets get him signed (both) and move on...

 

[GloryDawg]

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">an Offensive Coordinator. I want a proven Head Coach. If we do hire one of these goobers we better not pay them 2.5 million. It better be below 1.5 with a low buy out just in case they don't pan out.

After a few proven years then up the money.
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[omaha08]

So lets get the rumor mills going so he will come out and publicly turn us down.

 

[DawgNsuds]

Damn it. I swore I wasn't going to do this all day. Sumbitch.

Me too, now my mornings practically gone.

 

[Badon]

How is his history in being active with recruiting success?</p>

 

[bonedaddy401]

or do you want a proven head coach that knows how to manage people? That's what you have to ask yourself.

Croom coached Barry Sanders. What did that translate to? Nothing. Hell, Barry might have had 2,000 more yards sans Croom.

Whatever, I don't even care anymore. I'm sick of this.

 

[Columbus Dawg]

You're right. Let's go get Nick Saban.

Where did Chris Peterson come from? Oh yeah, he was Dan Hawkin's offensive coordinator.

 

[OurPrideAndJoySnots]

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[bonedaddy401]

before he was head coach, quite the exception to the rule.

Have there been coordinators that have worked out as great head coaches? Sure. Do the majority of them? No.

 

[Columbus Dawg]

I just think it's funny that you are comparing the record setting offensive coordinator for a team that's playing in the national championship game to an NFL running back coach.

 

[MSUCostanza]

Then where do head coaches come from? They have to start somewhere. Do they just magically start out as head coaches? Every head coach was a coordinator or something similar at some point in his career. Don't be stupid.

I'm all for Wilson or Mullen.

 

[flemdawg1]

bonedaddy401 wrote:

Croom coached Barry Sanders. What did that translate to? Nothing. Hell, Barry might have had 2,000 more yards sans Croom.

Whatever, I don't even care anymore. I'm sick of this.

Barry hated Crxxm's xffense so much he retired instead of running it. Crxxm's xffense did what 100s of NFL defensesive players couldn't.

 

[bonedaddy401]

look it is a semantics at this point. All I am saying is there is less of a risk with a coach that has been a head coach before.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...Wilson could learn how to be head coach in the SEC faster than Graham or Holtz could. He knows how to recruit in big time college football. He knows what works and what doesn't work against real competition, not the **** at the bottom end of CUSA.

 

[bonedaddy401]

but do we have to hire assistant coach after assistant coach? Can't for once we hire a winning head coach from an up and coming program? Is that asking to much?

 

[Columbus Dawg]

Really? No kidding?

You think maybe Wilson has learned something about being a College head coach from I don't know....Bob Stoops.</p>

 

[bonedaddy401]

and I hope you are right.

 

[tossedoff]

And wasn't Stoops just a lowly defensive coordinator before taking over a big-time program at OU?

 

[slickdawg]

...Wilson could learn how to be head coach in the SEC faster than Graham or Holtz could. He knows how to recruit in big time college football. He knows what works and what doesn't work against real competition, not the **** at the bottom end of CUSA.

Byrne goes on my LT list

 

[bonedaddy401]

The same way Ron Zook learned so much from say Steve Spurrier?

There must be something in the water in Columbus.....

 

[squirldawg]

Bo Pelini was a D1 coordinator when Nebraska hired him. These are big time programs. I see nothing wrong with going after top notch assistants. They are usually more involved in the coaching than the head coach anyway.

 

[MSUCostanza]

with a coordinator from a national power with proven success? You don't think those guys would have learned from the guys they worked for about how to run a program?

 

[Columbus Dawg]

Not angry. But maybe I am frustrated by the stupidity of our fan base.

Edited to say I am not trying to attack you. But to borrow from Rick Pitino, Chris Peterson isn't walking through that door and neither is Kyle Whittingham or Brian Kelly. So if you want Skip Holtz or Tommy Bowden over taking a chance on Kevin Wilson then that's an understandable opinion. I just didn't think it made sense to compare Wilson to Sly Croom or to act like Wilson isn't a worthy candidate.

 

[Stormrider81]

Croom had been away from the college game for 17 years. Don't even make a comparison between them and either Wilson or Mullen.

The fact is, Wilson or Mullen would be better fits here than Graham or Holtz. These guys have been paying their dues for a while in big time college football under big time coaches. Graham and Holtz have been at CUSA programs. You don't learn how to recruit against SEC programs, compete against SEC programs, and handle the pressure of an SEC job at CUSA. You do at a BCS school. Now, I would take Graham or Holtz, but I'd much rather have Wilson or Mullen.

Because one assistant coach failed doesn't mean they all will. The fact of the matter is Croom was really a career position coach. Bobby Ross is the only coach that gave Croom a shot at OC. He did that twice and Croom failed at it twice. LT is the only AD that would have hired Croom to be HC in the SEC. Bama chose Mike Shula over him.

 

[msudogsrule01]

I am not sure, but here is my thought on the recruiting.... with the offensive talent in Mississippi this year, and the splash that Oklahoma has made offensively, you have to thing bringing in a guy like Wilson would be a coup for us. Plus all he has to show Patterson and the others are clips from the last five OU games this year.

 

[DawgNsuds]

Really? No kidding?

You think maybe Wilson has learned something about being a College head coach from I don't know....Bob Stoops.</p>

Right on CDawg, and what was Stoops before he took the Oklahoma job? Coordinator at Florida, looks like he turned out OK.

 

[GloryDawg]

Then where do head coaches come from? They have to start somewhere. Do they just magically start out as head coaches? Every head coach was a coordinator or something similar at some point in his career. Don't be stupid.

I'm all for Wilson or Mullen.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">So why do they have to start here? We have sux since 2000. We experimented with Croom and it back fired on us. If we got the money spend it. Let's think a little bigger then we have in the past.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"></p>

</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Croom said that he is leaving the program better then he got it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> I say ********.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> We are still loosing.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"></p>

</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">It is going to take someone with experience to rebuild this program.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"></p>

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[bonedaddy401]

I just don't think Wilson should get a free pass without a little scrutiny. I think everyone is on edge because of this.

 

[8dog]

that we are going to consider, including Petersen, Patterson, Kelly and Tuberville.

To have a shot at one of the top OCs in the country is an outstanding opportunity for us.

He knows offense, he's watched one of the best coaches in the country build/run a program, and most of all, he knows how important it is to have talented players.

 

[hatfieldms]

At least by some of you. Wilson and Mullen have both proven to be successful at what they do and will eventually get jobs. I see no problem with bringing any of these guys here

 

[Stormrider81]

We tried to get Petersen. We may have tried to get Patterson and/or Kelly. Aside from thsoe 3, name me a head coach we should have gone after. Believe it or not, it's not all about the money. Kelly is holding out for a bigger gig. Patterson and Petersen may just be happy where they are. In fact, indications are we threw a considerable amount at Petersen. Hiring a coach isn't as simple as saying, "here's a wad of cash, leave the school you currently head coach and come to MSU."

We'd all love a Petersen or Patterson, but it doesn't look like we'll get one of those, and really they were extreme long shots from the get-go. The most likely course is either a coordinator at a big time BCS school or CUSA or lower HC. At this point, I'd rather go the coordinator route.

As far as the Croom experiment goes, people should quit bringing this up. It is not comparible. He was a career position coach that had been out of college football for 17 years and nobody was going to hire him to be a coordinator or head coach until LT did. Compare that with Wilson and Mullen, both of whom are becoming hot commodities. It does not compare.

 

[GloryDawg]

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">if we hire an OC I will be behind him for two years. If there is no improvement I say screw him. Also we better not give him some ridiculous salary with a ridiculous buy out.</p>

 

[GloryDawg]

We tried to get Petersen. We may have tried to get Patterson and/or Kelly. Aside from thsoe 3, name me a head coach we should have gone after. Believe it or not, it's not all about the money. Kelly is holding out for a bigger gig. Patterson and Petersen may just be happy where they are. In fact, indications are we threw a considerable amount at Petersen. Hiring a coach isn't as simple as saying, "here's a wad of cash, leave the school you currently head coach and come to MSU."

We'd all love a Petersen or Patterson, but it doesn't look like we'll get one of those, and really they were extreme long shots from the get-go. The most likely course is either a coordinator at a big time BCS school or CUSA or lower HC. At this point, I'd rather go the coordinator route.

As far as the Croom experiment goes, people should quit bringing this up. It is not comparible. He was a career position coach that had been out of college football for 17 years and nobody was going to hire him to be a coordinator or head coach until LT did. Compare that with Wilson and Mullen, both of whom are becoming hot commodities. It does not compare.

It is always about the money. It's a matter how much. I summit to you all, if you offer the right amount of money any one will come. Just ask Alabama. I'll give it that we may not have enough money to get Petersen or some of those others but it is always about money.

 

[8dog]

The Bama job is a horrible example. Saban wanted back in college and it was a top tier program where he knew he could build a national champion. He just milked them for all they were worth.

If it were all about money, A&M wouldn't have Mike Sherman and Nebraska wouldn't have Bo Pellini (and yes, he's done a nice job this year)